Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Eloquence~metawiki Geekpoints, +2 *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewiki https://twitter.com/Philippewiki ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is now complete [2]. That wasn't too bad. Nicely done. :-) Kudos to you, Kunal everyone else involved in finally bringing this one home. Eloquence~metawiki ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004
On Nov 11, 2004, at 03:27:00 UTC , Erik Moeller erik_moel...@gmx.de wrote [1]: Hi, there's been some movement forward on the Single User Login (SUL) issue. I ask the Board to review this mail carefully as this has significant long- term implications and we need Board input to go ahead. I also ask other developers to correct me if I misrepresent anything. There are currently three competing strategies. Before I describe these strategies, let me point out that one important consideration for any system is scalability. That is, single login will be used on all existing and future Wikimedia projects, and potentially even on non-Wikimedia sites which we allow to participate in our system. The three strategies are: 1) GLOBAL NAMESPACE, IMMEDIATE CONFLICT RESOLUTION We try to move towards a single global user namespace for all Wikimedia wikis. If a name is already taken in the global namespace, you have to find one which isn't. For the migration, any names which clearly belong to the same user are combined into one. If passwords and email addresses are different, the user can manually link together any accounts which belong to him by providing the passwords. For cases of true name conflicts between the existing wikis, there is a resolution phase, where factors like seniority, use on multiple wikis vs. a single one, etc., are weighed in - the loser has to choose a new account name. After the manual resolution phase, any remaining accounts are converted to the new system automatically by making them unique, e.g. by adding a number to the username. The transition is now complete. The old system no longer exists. --- 1) is very complex, and we may not find someone willing to deal with the name conflict resolution issue and take the blame from annoyed users at the same time. Naming conflicts will always be an issue in this scheme, as e.g. all common first names will be taken, and any small wiki hooking up with our SUL system would feel this impact. People can mutate these usernames relatively easily to make them unique - Erik333 - and the system can offer such mutations, but it's still a bit annoying. This is now complete [2]. That wasn't too bad. 1. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2004-November/061327.html 2. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015-April/077576.html -- Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Product Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004
Nice work, Kunal and Keegan. :-) Dan On 21 April 2015 at 23:34, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Nov 11, 2004, at 03:27:00 UTC , Erik Moeller erik_moel...@gmx.de wrote [1]: Hi, there's been some movement forward on the Single User Login (SUL) issue. I ask the Board to review this mail carefully as this has significant long- term implications and we need Board input to go ahead. I also ask other developers to correct me if I misrepresent anything. There are currently three competing strategies. Before I describe these strategies, let me point out that one important consideration for any system is scalability. That is, single login will be used on all existing and future Wikimedia projects, and potentially even on non-Wikimedia sites which we allow to participate in our system. The three strategies are: 1) GLOBAL NAMESPACE, IMMEDIATE CONFLICT RESOLUTION We try to move towards a single global user namespace for all Wikimedia wikis. If a name is already taken in the global namespace, you have to find one which isn't. For the migration, any names which clearly belong to the same user are combined into one. If passwords and email addresses are different, the user can manually link together any accounts which belong to him by providing the passwords. For cases of true name conflicts between the existing wikis, there is a resolution phase, where factors like seniority, use on multiple wikis vs. a single one, etc., are weighed in - the loser has to choose a new account name. After the manual resolution phase, any remaining accounts are converted to the new system automatically by making them unique, e.g. by adding a number to the username. The transition is now complete. The old system no longer exists. --- 1) is very complex, and we may not find someone willing to deal with the name conflict resolution issue and take the blame from annoyed users at the same time. Naming conflicts will always be an issue in this scheme, as e.g. all common first names will be taken, and any small wiki hooking up with our SUL system would feel this impact. People can mutate these usernames relatively easily to make them unique - Erik333 - and the system can offer such mutations, but it's still a bit annoying. This is now complete [2]. That wasn't too bad. 1. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2004-November/061327.html 2. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015-April/077576.html -- Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Product Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Dan Garry Product Manager, Search and Discovery Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004
Hi, The case I found says: - Registered: XX feb 2011 (4 years ago), which is actually the date when the CentralAuth claims that the account was attached on. But: - First edit: XX may 2006 This dates do not match when an account was created locally and when an account was created globally. Also, the field says registered but shows something else. I believe Asaf could be right, and would agree on a one-time job to backdate the SUL accounts to the actual first edit of each now-unified account happened, of course, when things settle down. Thanks. On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote: What you're likely seeing that's causing confusion is the difference between when an account was created locally and when an account was created globally. For example, on 16/17 March 1.4 million local accounts were attached to global accounts, so it looks like they were only created a month ago on CentralAuth (because they were only created a month ago on CentralAuth) when the account could be as old as the wiki itself in local registration. Right. But now that the SULpocalypse is come[1], and we're all one big happy user namespace, the value of date created on CentralAuth is significantly lower than what people really want to see in that field, which is date started editing, anywhere. It was much more impractical until now, but perhaps now (read: when the dust settles and any dangling issues are dealt with, and you're back from vacation), it would actually make sense to run a one-time job to backdate the SUL accounts to the actual first edit of each now-unified account?[2] Cheers, the One True [[User:Ijon]] :) [1] kudos on that, and on the elegantly epic thread resurrection. :) [2] Best response possible would be an already-existing Phabricator ticket, of course. -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Eduardo Testart (56)(98) 293 5278 Móvil ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Eduardo Testart etest...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I do not know if this is the right thread to post this (otherwise ignore and please post me in the right direction). I believe that there is a bug in the Central Auth, since I've seen at least two users where the information that appears about when they started editing does not match the information saved in the wiki (as off first edit). Could this be a bug due to the recent change? Hi there, What you're likely seeing that's causing confusion is the difference between when an account was created locally and when an account was created globally. For example, on 16/17 March 1.4 million local accounts were attached to global accounts, so it looks like they were only created a month ago on CentralAuth (because they were only created a month ago on CentralAuth) when the account could be as old as the wiki itself in local registration. Hope that helps explain it. -- Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Product Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote: What you're likely seeing that's causing confusion is the difference between when an account was created locally and when an account was created globally. For example, on 16/17 March 1.4 million local accounts were attached to global accounts, so it looks like they were only created a month ago on CentralAuth (because they were only created a month ago on CentralAuth) when the account could be as old as the wiki itself in local registration. Right. But now that the SULpocalypse is come[1], and we're all one big happy user namespace, the value of date created on CentralAuth is significantly lower than what people really want to see in that field, which is date started editing, anywhere. It was much more impractical until now, but perhaps now (read: when the dust settles and any dangling issues are dealt with, and you're back from vacation), it would actually make sense to run a one-time job to backdate the SUL accounts to the actual first edit of each now-unified account?[2] Cheers, the One True [[User:Ijon]] :) [1] kudos on that, and on the elegantly epic thread resurrection. :) [2] Best response possible would be an already-existing Phabricator ticket, of course. -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004
Hi, I do not know if this is the right thread to post this (otherwise ignore and please post me in the right direction). I believe that there is a bug in the Central Auth, since I've seen at least two users where the information that appears about when they started editing does not match the information saved in the wiki (as off first edit). Could this be a bug due to the recent change? Best! El abr. 22, 2015 1:49 PM, Anna Stillwell astillw...@wikimedia.org escribió: Really nicely done. Given how you spoke of this earlier I thought for sure this would not be as seamless as it appears to have gone. Congrats again. /a On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Eloquence~metawiki Geekpoints, +2 *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewiki https://twitter.com/Philippewiki ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Anna Stillwell Senior Learning and Org Dev Lead Wikimedia Foundation 415.806.1536 *www.wikimediafoundation.org http://www.wikimediafoundation.org* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is now complete [2]. That wasn't too bad. 1. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2004-November/061327.html 2. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015-April/077576.html Congratulations, and hats off to you, Kunal, and the rest of the team for pulling this off. The layers of legacy code and complex social conundrums you have had to negotiate in order to see this project through were terrifyingly large, and it's pretty incredible that you have been able to see it through with minimal disruption to users. Kudos and thank you. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
