Hi yana,
You are right, there is no hostility in my message. You know that
wikimedians are very sensitive to follow existing law (especially
copyright), and to provide and ask references all the time :)
@labs
Could you please provide a reference why labs can be misused?
@understanding
On 06/04/2014 02:36 AM, rupert THURNER wrote:
@labs
Could you please provide a reference why labs can be misused?
The problem with Zero-rating (all of) labs is that there is no
constraint on the actual nature of the content that is provided there.
While we /do/ have rules about what is and is
A question to Yana et al.:
Is there any reason for the WMF to promote/sign Zero agreements instead of
the local chapters/user groups?
I mean, if that ability was subsidized to the chapters we could have a
different strategy depending on the country, because:
- in some places the benefits of
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:54 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote:
A question to Yana et al.:
Is there any reason for the WMF to promote/sign Zero agreements instead of
the local chapters/user groups?
I mean, if that ability was subsidized to the chapters we could have a
different
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
How would an affiliate have the ability to sign any agreements for the
delivery of WMF content? The agreements cover access to WMF-owned websites.
I can see local affiliates being helpful with translation, advice and
As the Quartz article from Jens's email discusses, the decision in Chile is
very unfortunate.[1] It's an example of when net neutrality — which is an
important principle for the free and open internet — is poorly implemented
to prevent free dissemination of knowledge. Although Wikipedia Zero is
Hoi,
Yana you mentioned that all WMF projects may become under the zero
flag... is Labs being considered for this as well ?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 1 June 2014 09:57, Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org wrote:
As the Quartz article from Jens's email discusses, the decision in Chile is
very
Yana, may i suggest that you try at least one time in your life edit a
wikipedia article so you experience how much bandwith is consumed to do a
proper research of verifyable sources? Or just read an article and try to
verify the contents? Yana, there is only one type of internet, please leave
it
Gerard: Labs is not currently considered for zero-rating because it can be
misused. But it may be added over time if we figure out how to work around
that and there is demand for it.
Rupert: Your comment seems unnecessarily hostile to me, but I'm going to
try to assume good faith. I have of
Regarding the news from Chile, the QZ article is pretty misleading
regarding the decision taken by the Subtel. I've been talking with some
people that have been more involved in net neutrality discussions in Chile
and they say that the decision doesn't forbid zero-rated programs in
general. It
I asked to the Chilean Undersecretary of Telecommunications in Twitter, and
he confirmed that Wikipedia Zero and the zero-rated programs are not
forbidden in Chile. He said that the criteria applied is based on practices
of providers. [1]
I'm also happy to read that the WMF thinks that Wikipedia
News from Chile
Chile’s Subsecretaria de Telecomunicaciones just decided that zero-rating
is a promotion tool which is against net neutrality. Therefore all
zero-rated-related marketing deals have to stop at the 1st of June.
According to a WMF-list in Chile no provider has been offering Wikipedia
On 05/29/2014 03:21 PM, Tilman Bayer wrote:
*Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia*
Yeay! Grats Zero team for yet another victory bringing Free knowledge
to all people!
-- Marc
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another sad day, wikimedia foundation as the vicarious servant of the
telecom industry on its way destroying net neutrality. and another day
where wikimedia foundation helps driving an illegal practice according
european and brazilian laws :(
for the ones in the US, read and file here comments
On 05/29/2014 04:55 PM, rupert THURNER wrote:
another sad day, wikimedia foundation as the vicarious servant of the
telecom industry on its way destroying net neutrality.
I would *really* like to hear your reasoning on this, given that there
is absolutely nothing that prevents any telco
Hi Marc,
zero-rating a special service or a certain website on you mobile contract
is a clever way to undermine net neutrality, even when it comes as such a
noble service to give free knowledge to the people.
Free knowledge of the leading global encyclopedia is surely connected with
a totally
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hi Marc,
zero-rating a special service or a certain website on you mobile contract
is a clever way to undermine net neutrality, even when it comes as such a
noble service to give free knowledge to the people.
Free
On 05/29/2014 05:24 PM, Jens Best wrote:
A noble cause
doesn't necessarily make breaking an important principle unproblematic.
In my opinion, if the definition of the principle makes the obviously
perverse conclusion that a beneficial thing like giving access to
educational resources for free
Hi Marc,
your arguments aren't really factual, but rather emotional. But that's
fair enough.
Giving access to educational resources isn't the same statement as
zero-rating wikipedia - If the mobile providers are willing to give more
open educational ressources (incl. video) a zero-rated access
This is a fascinating discussion, but one which has been addressed in
much greater depth elsewhere:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=net+neutrality+wikipedia+zero
It would indeed be interesting to hear EFF's take on the matter, which
does not appear to have been stated publicly yet.
Some related links:
AIUI, the Wikipedia Zero is mostly (not entirely, but mostly)
happening in countries that completely do not have anything like net
neutrality, and where Google and Facebook already subsidise access for
their bytes. It would be nice if Wikimedia could work to strict
neutrality rules in these
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 5:43 AM, C. Scott Ananian
canan...@wikimedia.org wrote:
This is a fascinating discussion, but one which has been addressed in
much greater depth elsewhere:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=net+neutrality+wikipedia+zero
It would indeed be interesting to hear EFF's take on the
On 05/29/2014 09:25 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
If not, the Telcos are making a loss.
Why?
I should expect because they expect the goodwill they earn doing so will
turn people into paying customers. Indeed, some of them have been
rather explicit in their expectation that as their customers
participation is another aspect. wp zero allows free reading. it does
not allow free participation. write emails, search for references,
download and adjust code. just as a side note, the oxford university
stated: until 2012, europe, i.e. 10% of the worlds population,
produced 50%+ of wikipedias
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