Re: [Wikimedia-l] Engineering Community

2015-02-16 Thread James Salsman
First, thanks to John Vandenberg for considering co-mentoring the accuracy review project for the Indonesian Wikipedia. I think he would be an excellent co-mentor. But ideally I also hope to also obtain at least one co-mentor from WMF engineering, design, or education divisions, and a co-mentor fro

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Engineering Community

2015-02-15 Thread Oliver Keyes
Personal opinion: as I recall, a big chunk of that scorn came from WMF engineers. I appreciate it wasn't your intent, but the way you're phrasing things here makes it look very much like you're saying 'hey, I bumped your salary, throw some of your time my way' - which is not how it works. Ideas sho

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Engineering Community

2015-02-14 Thread James Salsman
Rachel diCerbo wrote: >... > Community Engagement is continuously considering effective ways of > interacting with you around product development and would love your > suggestions. What kinds of communications from WMF would you like to see? Please volunteer to co-mentor my GSoC proposal: http://

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Engineering Community

2015-02-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When the community and the developers are to be more involved, I want to share with you the kind of discussions we have far, far away in Wikidata land. There are a few thing you must know. - most subjects are not covered in any Wikipedia - we want to link to subjects that are not presen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Engineering Community

2015-02-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, As a very involved Wikimedian I do not get anything out of your approach. It is obvious that you care about the VisualEditor because you have self nominated it. That is fine. I do not care either about it so you already lost me. Given that this is the Wikimedia list and not the Wikipedia list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Engineering Community

2015-02-13 Thread Erik Moeller
And if you do like the technical detail, James just sent a full recap of last week's triage to wikitech-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2015-February/080803.html -- Erik Möller VP of Product & Strategy, Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikime

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Engineering Community

2015-02-13 Thread Rachel diCerbo
Hi all, Regarding criteria, there is a list of objectives for VisualEditor to achieve for this quarter in Phabricator [0], so all tasks which do not allow reaching those objectives should be nominated as "blockers", as explained on Mediawiki [1]. In these Triage meetings, we are seeking the atten

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Engineering Community

2015-02-13 Thread Nathan
I think the goal with this message is to kick off a deeper, more meaningful engagement between engineering and the various communities that use MediaWiki. But it's hard to see how the message will move the needle. It's jargony, as if aimed at an audience of software developers. The mechanisms propo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Engineering Community

2015-02-13 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Damon Sicore, 11/02/2015 21:31: • Collectively identify success criteria [..] How you can engage: • Join any of the weekly triage meetings to nominate a release blocker [...] Lila: > Visual Editor Built-out/Roll-out planning -- engage now to define deployment criteria I don't know others,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Engineering Community

2015-02-11 Thread phoebe ayers
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Damon Sicore wrote: > > Dear Wikimedians, > > We are changing our engineering processes to improve how we engage with you > -- our valued contributors and editors -- around software development. > > We are beginning with the collaborative buildout and deployment