Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-07-02 Thread Pine W
Hi Mingli, may I suggest that you post some of your interesting thoughts in IdeaLab so that others can work with them and build on them? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Idealab Pine On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the addendum. :-)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-07-01 Thread Mingli Yuan
Sorry for re-activate this thread again, this time I want to address the observability on social networks. Today content of or links to Wikipedia are spread all over the web. So the observability are not limited only for Wikipedia users, but for the whole internet users. Let's take a look what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-07-01 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thanks for the addendum. :-) Mingli Yuan, 01/07/2014 08:44: The content provider label their own content with some metadata. And Twitter/Facebook/etc will show a rich content on their timelines. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54829hide_resolved=1 tracks this. Bug

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-09 Thread Edward Saperia
On 5 June 2014 19:33, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: On 6/5/2014 11:11 AM, Pete Forsyth wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: Pete's were again primarily social and community-based, but at this level of discussion we should be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-06 Thread C. Scott Ananian
One small step forward might be to add more support to 'groups' in the mediawiki codebase. Groups could help organize the various subcommunities. Perhaps consider this a federal system for wikipedia. ;) I have been experimenting with real-time collaborative editors on wikipedia. One question

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-06 Thread Peter Southwood
June 2014 04:54 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability One small step forward might be to add more support to 'groups' in the mediawiki codebase. Groups could help organize the various subcommunities. Perhaps consider this a federal system for wikipedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-06 Thread Mingli Yuan
You could start by listing the ad hoc methods. Others might add to the list. The list might inspire alternative ideas. --scott Yes, Scott. We should do that. Collect what we had invented or some interesting new ideas, and then try to reorganize them into an order, in such a way, we can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-05 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Mingli Yuan mingli.y...@gmail.com wrote: * Towards better content and community, what is the most important things we want our user to observe? Mingli, Thank you for raising this excellent and important question. I have long maintained -- and I think many

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-05 Thread Michael Snow
On 6/5/2014 10:43 AM, Mingli Yuan wrote: If you visit the early page of c2.com, you will find the idea of observability is one pillar principle of wiki software, and just follow the idea, Ward invent the RecentChanges for all wikis. At that time c2 is very small; now Wikipedia is so big. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-05 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: Pete's were again primarily social and community-based, but at this level of discussion we should be looking at both social features and technical ones. YES YES YES! However, the current priorities of the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-05 Thread Samuel Klein
I am really so glad to see your post, Mingli. I hope you are well :--) Yes, this idea of observability is great. RecentChanges was a real strength of early wikis. Now we have so much metadata about pages and edits, we could cluster results in a more meaningful way... Also: what other ideas

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-05 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Mingli Yuan, 05/06/2014 19:43: If you visit the early page of c2.com, you will find the idea of observability is one pillar principle of wiki software, and just follow the idea, Ward invent the RecentChanges for all wikis. Can you please find that specific page/formulation of the principle?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-05 Thread Michael Snow
On 6/5/2014 11:11 AM, Pete Forsyth wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: Pete's were again primarily social and community-based, but at this level of discussion we should be looking at both social features and technical ones. YES YES YES! However,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-05 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: I also don't believe that social and technical aspects can always be neatly separated. I'm guessing you don't either, Correct, I don't. I'm not looking to pull the discussion immediately toward the WMF's strategic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability (Mingli Yuan)

2014-06-05 Thread ENWP Pine
This is an interesting topic about RecentChanges and its many uses and variants. I'm copying Analytics, EE and Research lists because I hope that some of our colleagues from these lists will hop over to Wikimedia-l to participate in this discussion. [a] In particular I would call my