Hi David,
I wholeheartedly support your words. The Wikimedia movement relies on the
energy and enthusiasm of the Wikipedians or the volunteers from around the
world. Technology is a tool in this case, but not the driving agent. The
other tools which you mentioned are indeed important in the moveme
Den 2016-03-01 kl. 11:01, skrev David Emrany:
The credibility of Wikipedia as a brand is going down the tubes
rapidly as fresh scandals emerge with alarming frequency. More enemies
of the movement are being created daily.
We all live in different realities, so please be careful to indicate
t
On 2016-03-01 11:01, David Emrany wrote:
" .. WIKIMEDIA pornographers who are masquerading as champions of free
speech and free internet to promote their obscenities and lies in
India ... TO IMMEDIATELY PROHIBIT ANY FREE INTERNET ACCESS OVER MOBILE
DEVICES .. " [2]
[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/
David,
When I refer to the community I assume already that it has an intrinsic
imperfect representation and unclear boundaries, as it is characteristic to
open systems.
Given these blurry boundaries, at what point of the society does the asylum
begin or end? It is not enough with just "cleaning
o
Dear David
I respectfully disagree. My point is that the "community" you refer to
is not a representative community at all. for eg. voices from Asia and
Africa are not properly represented here.
The community is incapable of policing itself because (to quote a
prominent WP criticism site) "the in
Hi David,
you say that "A large number of these persons are paid editors / PR -SEO
"consultants" who have worked themselves up to positions of administrators".
Although there is no clear evidence, there is a lot of mistrust and
suspicion about "paid editing". Since people need to make a living, th
Hi Leigh
In general there is always a transparent hierarchy and an untasparent one
self organized following the real leaderships.
Problems happen when the gap between both increases. In this case the real
decisions are made in front of a coffee machine and not in the right places.
The solution is
Hi David,
It would be even nicer if we have more editors editing voluntarily
instead of driving them away.
In the present scenario a University of Minnesota report by Aaron Halfaker says
"The declining number of editors is not due to the site's inability to
keep longtime editors contributing. Ins
James, I think it is very nice to put measures against paid editing, but it
would be nicer to put measures to get editors more free time to edit
voluntarily...
There are not that many suggestions on how to do it, so it could be that it
cannot be done.
Cheers,
Micru
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:14 AM
With respect to paid promotional editing, I have done a bit work trying to
address it. For example I reached out to Upworks the company behind Elance
and Fiverr and they are interested in working together on this. Have been a
little distracted and not sure if there is sufficient community or
founda
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 10:03 PM, David Emrany wrote:
> Hi Brion
>
> When you refer to patches with other movements / affiliates, are you
> proposing that WMF sponsors more Gibraltrapedias ?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltarpedia
>
> Have we forgotten so soon the adverse media publicity ab
On Feb 28, 2016 7:23 PM, "David Emrany" wrote:
>
> Hi Brion
>
> When you refer to patches with other movements / affiliates, are you
> proposing that WMF sponsors more Gibraltrapedias ?
Never heard of it, so can't comment.
-- brion
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltarpedia
>
> Have we forg
Hi Brion
When you refer to patches with other movements / affiliates, are you
proposing that WMF sponsors more Gibraltrapedias ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltarpedia
Have we forgotten so soon the adverse media publicity about these
stealth PR campaigns
"Once Wikipedia becomes a pay-to-pl
See: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_Management#References
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Brion Vibber wrote:
> Two distinct issues, I think:
>
> 2) about support for volunteers to get stuff done effectively:
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list,
Two distinct issues, I think:
1) about improving community representation in power structures, I think we
have to think more about what representation we want and what structures
would accomplish it. I have no answers but think we should consider looking
beyond WMF alone:
https://lists.wikimedia.
Brion,
so far in the discussions I have seen more weight to the idea of the WMF as
a tech provider for the community, and not so much conversation about other
roles that the organization could fulfill besides of tech / grant making.
So when you see that we are agreeing, do you mean that there shoul
On Sunday, February 28, 2016, Brion Vibber wrote:
> David, you appear to be agreeing strongly with me, not disagreeing. :)
To clarify, we are strongly agreed that constructive support of people to
accomplish movement goals is why WMF exists.
My message was focused on internal management/staff
On Sunday, February 28, 2016, Leigh Thelmadatter
wrote:
> I have to agree here.
Yes.
>
> The WMF and its employees have forgotten that the mission is to support
> the work done on the various wikis, not make work for fireworks for
> themselves.
No.
> Nothing we are dealing with here is ne
David, you appear to be agreeing strongly with me, not disagreeing. :)
-- brion
On Sunday, February 28, 2016, David Cuenca Tudela wrote:
> I am starting a new thread because I disagree with the idea that the WMF
> should be a high-tech organization as the other thread by Brion seemed to
> sugge
I have to agree here. The WMF and its employees have forgotten that the mission
is to support the work done on the various wikis, not make work for fireworks
for themselves.
Nothing we are dealing with here is new. It is just the eruption of some very
long-standing problems with the WMF and the
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