On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 17:40:49 -0400
Nathan wrote:
> I think Andrea's post perfectly illustrates the risk to WMF and WM
> affiliates of embracing political positions outside the core mission of the
> projects. The number of worthy causes is near infinite; every time you
> endorse one you please
I think Andrea's post perfectly illustrates the risk to WMF and WM
affiliates of embracing political positions outside the core mission of the
projects. The number of worthy causes is near infinite; every time you
endorse one you please some people and make many other people wonder why
you
+1
On 22 July 2018 at 10:02, Andrea Zanni wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'll ask forgiveness in advance for starting a probable flame.
>
> I support WMIL stance: equity is absolutely within our Wikimedia
> values, and supporting LGBTQ rights is always a good thing.
>
> But I cannot help but see the
Hi all,
I'll ask forgiveness in advance for starting a probable flame.
I support WMIL stance: equity is absolutely within our Wikimedia
values, and supporting LGBTQ rights is always a good thing.
But I cannot help but see the enormity of omission here: the Israeli
government just passed a law
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:23 AM Shlomi Fish wrote:
>
> Hi Itzik,
>
>
> I do not oppose the LGBT movement, but please explain how an official support
> of that falls under the global Wikimedia project's mission, and does not
> dilute our policy of avoiding having a stance on issues that are
I don't want to engage in endless political flamewars, so this is my last
email on this list discussing the political substance of surrogacy, I
could, and I could do it with reliable sources, which were not asked in the
first place to justify WMIL statement.
But I don't meant to lobby here,
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Fæ wrote:
>
> The anti-surrogacy movement may not be anti-LGBT, I basically said
> that in my previous email. If you want to lobby against surrogacy,
> there is no problem with doing so in the right forum, and as all legal
> surrogacies over the last 22 years in
Let's be clear.
The anti-surrogacy movement may not be anti-LGBT, I basically said
that in my previous email. If you want to lobby against surrogacy,
there is no problem with doing so in the right forum, and as all legal
surrogacies over the last 22 years in Israel have been *100% for
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Fæ wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 at 13:12, Mario Gómez wrote:
>
>
> No it is not "fair", it is a way of dismissing equality for LGBT+
> people by parodying and stereotyping all of us with views in this area
> as rich white men. That is wrapping distasteful
On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 at 13:12, Mario Gómez wrote:
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> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 1:41 PM, Fæ wrote:
>
> > However when you choose to derail a discussion that is no more and no
> > less than same sex couples being treated equally and being given equal
> > access for parental rights and medical
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 1:41 PM, Fæ wrote:
> However when you choose to derail a discussion that is no more and no
> less than same sex couples being treated equally and being given equal
> access for parental rights and medical support, then your actions will
> be read as supporting the use of
I understood the point you were making.
However if we agree on full equality, then please recognise that when
a state allows surrogacy for heterosexual couples but makes it
unlawful for same sex couples, this is anti-LGBT discrimination.
If you want to complain about surrogacy in Israel because
Hi Fæ,
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Fæ wrote:
> In Wikipedian fashion, let us stick to the published statement by
> Wikimedia Israel without making unnecessary inferences.
That is what I do as a Wikipedia editor. But I don't find it reasonable
when it comes to WMF and affiliates
In Wikipedian fashion, let us stick to the published statement by
Wikimedia Israel without making unnecessary inferences. WMIL made a
positive statement to support equality, and we know that equality is
repeated in the Wikimedia Values and echoed in the developing future
strategy.[1][2]
The
I see.
Yes. Part of the LGBTQ collective considers surrogacy to be related to
their rights. I completely acknowledge that.
Best,
Mario
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 4:01 AM, Gregory Varnum
wrote:
> I think you misunderstood my point there. ;)
>
> I was speaking to your comment that it was
I think you misunderstood my point there. ;)
I was speaking to your comment that it was incorrectly labeled a LGBTQ issue
because of adoption. I did not mean to suggest no one is against surrogacy or
that they are not promoting adoption as an alternative. I was indicating that
to my knowledge
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 2:56 AM, Gregory Varnum
wrote:
> As far as it being an alternative, that is usually true, but it is also
> true for non-LGBTQ families and I am not aware of viable political
> movements successfully suggesting non-LGBTQ families should not worry about
> surrogacy laws as
Taking off my “staff hat” and not weighing in on WMIL taking this stance, but
did want to correct one claim and offer some context on this issue overall. :)
Having worked on LGBTQ issues most of my professional career, and being a gay
man planning on having a child one day, I feel confident I
Hi,
"a legal change on that would have given the LGBT community the right to
become parents"
If I read correctly, this is simply not true. It denied the right to use
gestational surrogacy. They can adopt though.
Note that gestational surrogacy is not a simple issue and it is highly
political.
Hi Itzik,
On Fri, 20 Jul 2018 10:57:12 +0300
Itzik - Wikimedia Israel wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A few days ago, the Israeli parliament, with the support of Israeli Prime
> Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, blocked a legal change on that would have
> given the LGBT community the right to become parents. The
Congratulations to the Wikimedia Israel board for taking positive
action for equality.
Fae
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2018 at 08:57, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
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