Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-09 Thread Peter Gervai
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: Next time someone balks at my day rate, I'm just going to say I need a new Ferrari and twenty new Hugo Boss suits a year or you'll feel the force of a discrimination case at the employment tribunal. And I'll remind you to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-09 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Folks, please, stop with this irony and let's move the office from San Francisco to Brazil. *Then* we can begin to speak about suits, ferraris and being surronded by pretty girls with a WMF wage. We would also have nice fruits and the best beaches. Tom On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Peter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-09 Thread rupert THURNER
that would be a brilliant idea :) where can one vote for this? On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga t...@wikimedia.org wrote: Folks, please, stop with this irony and let's move the office from San Francisco to Brazil. *Then* we can begin to speak about suits, ferraris and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-09 Thread MZMcBride
Leslie Carr wrote: Though I do feel that the WMF salary is discriminating against my right to fly first class everywhere. My champagne glass won't refill itself, you know! Turns out, I was wrong!! [...] Thanks to a generous anonymous benefactor :) :D These photos were adorable. Thank you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-09 Thread Erwin Mulialim
Vision) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 18:00:45 -0500 From: z...@mzmcbride.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market Leslie Carr wrote: Though I do feel that the WMF salary is discriminating against my right to fly first class

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-08 Thread Peter Gervai
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote: Though I do feel that the WMF salary is discriminating against my right to fly first class everywhere. My champagne glass won't refill itself, you know! Do you accept donations? g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-08 Thread Leslie Carr
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote: Though I do feel that the WMF salary is discriminating against my right to fly first class everywhere. My champagne glass won't refill itself, you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-08 Thread Leslie Carr
Though I do feel that the WMF salary is discriminating against my right to fly first class everywhere. My champagne glass won't refill itself, you know! Turns out, I was wrong!! https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mumm_Napa_and_Glasses_2013-03-08.jpg

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-08 Thread K. Peachey
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 5:31 AM, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote: Though I do feel that the WMF salary is discriminating against my right to fly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-08 Thread Tom Morris
On Thursday, 7 March 2013 at 18:43, Leslie Carr wrote: Talking about my salary isn't disparaging the company -- as referenced later, in the US employers can't prevent folks from talking about their salaries. Though I do feel that the WMF salary is discriminating against my right to fly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-07 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hi james, (renamed thread to not distract from NDA discussion) Your concerns have been noted, several times. But I do want to make sure you (and everyone else) realise that there is no FACT like the one that you mention. fact that the Foundation's policy of paying below market salary

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-07 Thread James Salsman
Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: ... I do want to make sure you (and everyone else) realise that there is no FACT like the one that you mention. fact that the Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college or a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-07 Thread [[w:en:User:Madman]]
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:46 AM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: Finally I find the idea of restraining people to talk about salary almost comical Would you post the text of the non-disparagement clause referred to at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-07 Thread Milos Rancic
While a number of my friends are employed by WMF and I heard no one to complain about salary or working conditions, it would be good to have annual report of salaries and other benefits of WMF employees compared to the siruation in the other similar and some not so similar organizations. I can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-07 Thread Katie Chan
No one is force to, or have a right to work for the WMF. Like any other organisation, for-profit or otherwise, an organisation determines what it can affords and wants to pay for a position. Similarly, a potential employee gets to decides whether the proposed compensation is acceptable to them

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-07 Thread Sarah Stierch
The funny thing about all of this is that it seems to be non-employees who are very concerned about these things and no employees are actually whistle blowing or commenting. I think that says something about how truly non-problematic this is. And I'm sure if employees did have some problems,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-07 Thread Nathan
In fact, not one single non-anonymous person has ever said anything different than what Marc just posted (as far as I know). James Salsman is alone in his crusade; the people he believes he is fighting for evidently don't desire his help. My suspicion is that this all goes back to his attempt to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-07 Thread Erwin Mulialim
Mar 2013 10:43:06 -0800 From: lc...@wikimedia.org To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:46 AM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: ... I do want to make sure you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-07 Thread Philippe Beaudette
. - Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:43:06 -0800 From: lc...@wikimedia.org To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market On Thu, Mar 7