[Wikimediaau-l] Are the Wikimedia projects social media

2014-02-04 Thread Leigh Blackall
As someone who coined a phrase "socially constructed media" back in 2004 when everyone was using "Web 2" I've been more than a little agitated by the use of "social media" at the exclusion of the Wikimedia projects. Either ask the stats, commentary and infographics are based on a poorly defined cat

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Are the Wikimedia projects social media

2014-02-04 Thread Liam Wyatt
Hi Leigh, as the "social media coordinator" at a cultural institution now, I'm simultaneously trying to have Wikimedia seen to be as, if not more, important than other social media platforms but also wary of tying Wikimedia too closely to the term social media because it has a connotation of being

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Are the Wikimedia projects social media

2014-02-04 Thread Kerry Raymond
While these are all Web 2.0 (or digital engagement platforms as Liam calls them), there are distinct differences. There is a pretty clear goal to WP and other WMF projects (open knowledge) that we work towards. But Facebook, Twitter etc don't really have an overall goal as such (well, apart from ma

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Are the Wikimedia projects social media

2014-02-04 Thread Liam Wyatt
Yes, Agreed with what Kerry has said. Another way of phrasing that - correct me if you disagree Kerry - is that being social is the "currency" of social media platforms. It is the end-goal of twitter/facebook/etc and you are more valued on those platforms the more "social" you are. However on Wikim

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Are the Wikimedia projects social media

2014-02-04 Thread Gnangarra
Being social on WP isnt a requirement to participate there are many contributors that arent social they just work on content or be gnomes with minimal interaction with others. On 5 February 2014 07:55, Liam Wyatt wrote: > Yes, Agreed with what Kerry has said. > Another way of phrasing that - c

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Are the Wikimedia projects social media

2014-02-04 Thread Leigh Blackall
Thanks for the responses. Liam: I've using the phrase "web integrated" to describe teaching methods here at the university that engage projects like Wikimedia, but also other platforms. This attempts to distinguish a difference from LMS-based teaching and learning, which predominately amount to sc

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Are the Wikimedia projects social media

2014-02-04 Thread Charles Gregory
I'd agree with Kerry here. It is part of the same generation of web apps as Facebook, etc but serves an entirely different purpose. It would be like comparing the development of open source software "social media" because they deal with other developers around the globe, for example. Having said

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Are the Wikimedia projects social media

2014-02-04 Thread Kerry Raymond
Sorry, auto-spell-corrector-on-iPad problem. I was trying to say Praise in public, criticise in private. If you criticise people in public, you may humiliate them and make them angry with you and dig in their heels over the issue. A "quiet word" is more likely to produce the desired outcom