Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] National Program Director
that brings me to a point of confusion. What should we do to be more transparent? I guess things are getting missed through all these discussions and emails, and I'm not sure what else to do besides this? Suggestions would be welcome. Conforme http://tradukka.com : isso me traz a um ponto de confusão. O que devemos fazer para ser mais transparente? Eu acho que as coisas estão ficando perdidas através de todas essas discussões e e-mails, e eu não tenho certeza o que mais fazer além disso? Sugestões serão bem-vindos. Olá a todos A minha sugestão é interromper esse processo de escolha de um diretor nacional de programas e amadurecer com a comunidade o formato mais adequado de funcionamento de um escritório da WMF no Brasil. Penso que deve ser um Centro de apoio aos voluntários, coordenado por alguém da WMBr. Por favor, opinem. Abs, Névio Em 24 de novembro de 2011 05:49, Everton Zanella Alvarenga everton...@gmail.com escreveu: Hi, Jessie et al, thanks for your email. I'd like to go further analysing everything, but I don't have time now. So I will go to two points that aren't clear to me and maybe go to Abdo's concern and mine as well while we Progra had our discussion in Haifa, resulting in the letter of agreement you pointed out. [1] While I saw this open discussion when Carol was working to WMF, as I said before, and one of her *proposals* was this office with a national director, my feeling if that when we talked about this in Haifa it was an *announcement* of a decision base upon Carol's analysis - maybe my impression is wrong, others involved, please, tell me if you agree. The main points on this of the agreement letter [1] says * Brazil is a strategic priority for Wikimedia Foundation. * Wikimedia Foundation will set up an office in Brazil in order to stimulate the development of projects to increase the penetration of Wikipedia in Brazil. This process was already launched with the search for locations, hiring lawyers and the search for a professional to manage it. * Wikimedia Foundation understands that the Brazilian community and, thus, the chapter under formation still doesn't have the capacity to be completely self-managed. * Wikimedia Foundation aims to develop the existing programs in Brazil, like Campus Ambassadors, though it still doesn't have a specific development program for Brazil. The reason for the office, point 2, then, if because of point 3. This announcement was the main reason I said during this discussion some decision should be more open and transparent. I repeated this to Barry after the lunch, because I haven't felt comfortable with that. A reason I can be missing something is that I was not in Brazil during the meeting of June with Jessie and Barry and I completely forgot to ask this in Haifa. (Did I miss something?) When you both came to Brazil last time (I arrived later on the first day meeting, tell me if I lost something, please), I was informed there was not going to have an office anymore. This was the reason for I have insisted again on the point about transparency and open discussion just before you and Barry take the taxi to the airport after your presention at University of São Paulo (do you remember Abdo was saying to me stop annoying you both? Hahaha!). And if we go to Barry's note[2], he says We will move immediately to hire a qualitative researcher to conduct analysis of PT:WP. We will also hire a Fellow to start working with the PT community by October. Our Global Education team is looking for a consultant to help start preliminary planning for the program in Brazil with a goal of starting some pilot activities in universities in the first quarter of 2012. Then, for me, this other new job position of a national director now appeared as a surprise. Now we will have a qualitative researcher, a global consultant and a national director. And the decision of having again an office (I thought you gave up the idea because of the progress made by the volunteers to create a legal entity) sound to me as there were discussions in between we, the Brazilian community, were left aside. These are my concerns and points that aren't clear to me. Being specific, maybe it can be useful to the general Abdo's concern, which I think important and this open discussion here is important to clarify all that. Hugs, Tom [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposed_letter_of_agreement_between_Wikimedia_Foundation_and_Brazilian_volunteers [2] http://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nota_do_Barry Em 23 de novembro de 2011 11:12, Jessie Wild jw...@wikimedia.org escreveu: Hi Ale and all - Thanks for vocalizing your concerns. I'm glad they finally came out here in the open because I must admit they take me very much by surprise; I didn't realize these were all stirring under the surface – which indicates to me we all need a better method of transparency! So let's get started figuring that
Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] National Program Director
I wasn't clear (Não fui claro). Em 24 de novembro de 2011 12:20, Everton Zanella Alvarenga everton...@gmail.com escreveu: Em 24 de novembro de 2011 11:48, nevio carlos de alarcão nevinhoalar...@gmail.com escreveu: A minha sugestão é interromper esse processo de escolha de um diretor nacional de programas e amadurecer com a comunidade o formato mais adequado de funcionamento de um escritório da WMF no Brasil. Penso que deve ser um Centro de apoio aos voluntários, coordenado por alguém da WMBr. (Translation) Névio said: My suggestion is stop this selection process of a national director and mature with the community the most appropriate format of an office in Brazil. I think that must be a support center for volunteers, coordinated by someone from Wikimedia Brasil This is Névio suggestion (Esta é a sugestão do Névio). The following is my comments (O restante são meus comentários). ___ WikimediaBR-l mailing list WikimediaBR-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediabr-l
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Não concordo com parar o processo. Faz falta um ponto de referência aqui no Brasil. Eles precisam nos explicar, não pedir nossa autorização. Escolher o diretor para o Brasil é prerrogativa da WMF, aprovado pelo board da fundação,acho que a Jessie até explicou demais. Fizeram duas reuniões conosco explicando isso. Mandaram um monte de emails. Eu não vou deixar de colaborar com a WMF por que o cara já não foi escolhido probono ou por que não debateu comigo antes. Ainda não perceberam que o bonde já passou? * http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Jo_Lorib Jo Lorib* pt.wikipédia.org http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Jo_Lorib Em 24 de novembro de 2011 12:46, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com escreveu: Sugestão, mesmo a Wiki não sendo um lugar bom para fórum, é melhor que aqui. dica ___ WikimediaBR-l mailing list WikimediaBR-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediabr-l ___ WikimediaBR-l mailing list WikimediaBR-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediabr-l
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Pessoal, lembro que hoje é feriado nos EUA e eles devem emendar até a segunda-feira. Nesse sentido, acho que é deselegante da nossa parte continuar com o debate e com propostas tão incisivas da forma como está. Além de provocar um desgaste desnecessário, as respostas só chegarão daqui 4 dias. Sugiro que, se necessário, iniciemos outra mensagem (tread) para a discussão e voltemos nessa com algo conciso e concreto. Que tal? Abraços, Pietro De: João jolo...@gmail.com Para: Mailing list do Capítulo brasileiro da Wikimedia. wikimediabr-l@lists.wikimedia.org Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 24 de Novembro de 2011 13:08 Assunto: Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] National Program Director Não concordo com parar o processo. Faz falta um ponto de referência aqui no Brasil. Eles precisam nos explicar, não pedir nossa autorização. Escolher o diretor para o Brasil é prerrogativa da WMF, aprovado pelo board da fundação,acho que a Jessie até explicou demais. Fizeram duas reuniões conosco explicando isso. Mandaram um monte de emails. Eu não vou deixar de colaborar com a WMF por que o cara já não foi escolhido probono ou por que não debateu comigo antes. Ainda não perceberam que o bonde já passou? Jo Lorib pt.wikipédia.org Em 24 de novembro de 2011 12:46, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com escreveu: Sugestão, mesmo a Wiki não sendo um lugar bom para fórum, é melhor que aqui. dica ___ WikimediaBR-l mailing list WikimediaBR-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediabr-l ___ WikimediaBR-l mailing list WikimediaBR-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediabr-l___ WikimediaBR-l mailing list WikimediaBR-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediabr-l
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Concordo, imagina passar o dia de ações de graça com um bando de brasileiros chatos lhe pentelhando. Quem quiser abre na Wiki e discute lá. Fica mais organizado, e todas as vezes que fazemos isso as coisas dão certo, quem quiser, go ahead, deixe a Jessie se entupir de frangão \o/ Obs: Discordo de tudo que o João falou. ___ WikimediaBR-l mailing list WikimediaBR-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediabr-l
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Faz falta um ponto de referência aqui no Brasil.
Eles precisam nos explicar, não pedir nossa autorização.
Escolher o diretor para o Brasil é prerrogativa da WMF, aprovado pelo
board da fundação,acho que a Jessie até explicou demais.
Fizeram duas reuniões conosco explicando isso.
Concordo plenamente com o Jo. Apenas sugeri interromper a escolha de um
diretor de programas, porque penso que precisamos de um escritório para
apoiar nossas ações off line visando incrementar a participação online. E
só sugeri porque a moça falou que estava perdida.
Abs, Névio
Em 24 de novembro de 2011 13:32, João jolo...@gmail.com escreveu:
Não posso abrir a wiki onde estou, lamento mas não os acompanho
* http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Jo_Lorib
Jo Lorib*
pt.wikipédia.org http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Jo_Lorib
Em 24 de novembro de 2011 13:29, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com escreveu:
Concordo, imagina passar o dia de ações de graça com um bando de
brasileiros chatos lhe pentelhando. Quem quiser abre na Wiki e discute
lá. Fica mais organizado, e todas as vezes que fazemos isso as coisas
dão certo, quem quiser, go ahead, deixe a Jessie se entupir de frangão
\o/
Obs: Discordo de tudo que o João falou.
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And if a wiser man haven't said, for sure he should have done so: for your comrades perfectly do understand what you are meaning is mandatory employing their native language. ;o) Ale, I know your message targets WMF people, but the brasilians are very important in this case. Please do translate. Hugs, Nevio Enviado do meu iPad No dia 23/11/2011, às 00:19, Alexandre Hannud Abdo a...@member.fsf.org escreveu: Ni! A wise man once said... whenever you start a message with don't get me wrong you raise your chances of being misinterpreted to 100% =D I should have listened. : )P But, back to matters, there were two things in my message. A) One assessment, which I still hold on to, that we are being fed consummated facts when we could be assisting in the strategic choices of the foundation's actions a lot more. This would actually be better phrased as 'whereas the foundation should be seeking our assistance a lot more'. B) One rant, in fact one last and isolated phrase in my e-mail, where I voice an indiscriminate and wrongfully exaggerated concern over the unstated fact, that we're moving towards a chapter plus office situation, which I don't currently understand. Your comments, Tom, though intermingled with A and B, only address B, making it clear it is indiscriminate and wrongfully exaggerated. Well, my bad, but that's what rants are for ; ) However, back to A, while I do agree that we have had a lot of opening during Carol's work to discuss and provide input, the fact remains that, after she left and decisions started being announced, we had no traceable influence nor the opportunity to understand, let alone have a referendum, on why some paths were chosen over others and some actions are being given priority. We had, instead, a back-and-forth of positions regarding the office and finally a sudden announcement that in a few days a job position would be announced and sought through a specific channel with set criteria and a given scope of work. That, in this particular case, we could so obviously be doing things better together, only calls attention to a wider pattern I feel. So that's what still bothers me. Welly well droogs, I hope to have made my previous statement more understandable in face of Tom's thoughtful observations. Hugs, ale 2011/11/22 Everton Zanella Alvarenga everton...@gmail.com: Em 22 de novembro de 2011 14:15, Alexandre Hannud Abdo a...@member.fsf.org escreveu: Why weren't we consulted about this? I don't intend to answer in name of WMF, but Jessie has sent an email on 10th of November. Then we had 9 days to discuss it. Besides that, I was also wondering why this job position if we have this other http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/RFP/Global_Education_Program_Consultant My question is how both job positions fit with each other? There seems to be a connection, but it isn't clear to me and think important to Wikimedia community (beyond Brazil) understand it. 1) Michael Page does not understand the job and does not have the competence to recognize the right people, not even for a raw selection. I don't know anything about Michael Page to say about their competence, but I have to say I am also a bit skeptical about it and I hope I am wrong. This is a reason I proposed a more open selection process and I hope it's possible to Michael Page do so. 2) I am not the only one here who could have arranged a pro-bono headhunter at least as good with one or two phone calls. You don't know our country (at all, don't fool yourselves) and you don't know the resources our community has at its disposal. If we do not cooperate, you will be wasting money, resources and opportunities all the time. Abdo, I believe they have used Carol's recommendations: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global/Brazil/BCP_Recommendations#Establish_a_WMF_presence_in_Brazil_and_hire_a_National_Program_Director So I believe the discussion on this was open. Maybe a notice about Carol's report was sent to the mailing list, I cannot remember, and we haven't seen it because of the sea of arguments ad hominem and some useless messages sometimes we have here. Finally, on a funny detail, I don't think this person should have director in his title. It gives the wrong impression towards others and the community itself, and we Brazilians are very easily impressed. Maybe you are right and another name for this person who will coordinate a national program would be better. But I believe this is a detail which can be solved easily. Actually, my personal opinion is that this whole Brazilian office affair is a huge mistake, but that was not even put on the table for us to discuss. I am not sure about this being a mistake. My feeling is that it's good idea to have someone to coordinate a project such as Wikipedia Ambassadors. Besides incredible people working here as volunteers and doing a great job to
Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] National Program Director
Hi Ale and all - Thanks for vocalizing your concerns. I'm glad they finally came out here in the open because I must admit they take me very much by surprise; I didn't realize these were all stirring under the surface – which indicates to me we all need a better method of transparency! So let's get started figuring that out... I want to start by apologizing profusely if anything has come across as being secretive or planned in isolation. That is most certainly NOT the intent of WMF – there is no desire to try to sneak something in around the local Brazilian community; we obviously want the same things: a prosperous Portuguese Wikipedia and growth in the Brazilian community. This can only be done in conjunction with you all, so there is no intentional effort to eliminate you from the process. It seems, though, unintentionally we have done so, so let's try to fix that. I will say like any organization, things happen about which not everyone can be aware – I'm sure you've all experienced this in your work environments before; I certainly have experienced this in WMF, Wikimedia, as well as other jobs and organizations I have been heavily involved with: sometimes thoughts/ideas/notifications go out that slip through the cracks, sometimes the act of sending out a notification slips through the cracks! I agree we should try to minimize both. In terms of communication that has gone out: the work with Michael Page was NOT suppose to be done in secret, which is why we talked about it multiple times over the past months! It was on a wiki in June[0] and October[1] and we also brought up this meeting verbally at all our meet-ups over the past months, where we also talked about it openly during Wikimania, WikiSampa8 and 10[2]. Same with the office, which I thought we were agreed upon based on the letter from the community back in August[3]. So, I guess that brings me to a point of confusion. What should we do to be more transparent? I guess things are getting missed through all these discussions and emails, and I'm not sure what else to do besides this? Suggestions would be welcome. I know language barrier is an issue for some, so as Nevio recommended: one step is making sure things are translated (thanks to Rodrigo, Beria, Tom, Castelo, Daniela, Mateus and others for doing this thus far!). There are other topics that are not addressed in this email, and I fear they are too much for one email: (1) the hiring process via Michael Page and (2) the opening of an office in general. I will expand on those things below (“Appendix”) and do want the discussion to move forward on those, but first can we tackle how to maintain transparency and strategically deciding things together, as you suggest? Thanks; and FYI – Barry is on vacation this week, and we have holidays (Thanksgiving in the US) the next few days, so we may not be as responsive as normal. Jessie PS sorry if this doesn't make much sense; I'm in an airport waiting for my last flight after 30hrs of traveling...6 more to go :) [0] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brazil_Catalyst_Project/Agenda_June_2011I'll admit, now looking at this, it appears a bit hidden (listed as “Office planning” and you have to scroll down to see, but we got no questions on this). [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brazil_Catalyst_Project/Agenda_October_2011 [2] See agenda: ttp://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Encontros/2011/8_e_9_de_outubro [3] see appendix for more details on this office discussion! http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposed_letter_of_agreement_between_Wikimedia_Foundation_and_Brazilian_volunteers *** APPENDIX TOPICS :) *** 1. Re: Hiring with Michael Page We have found good success with working with professional search firms both for our positions in the US as well as abroad (India), so we engage with them – as do MANY other nonprofit firms – as a way of expanding our networks into broader areas. The executive search firm in this Brazilian case as always does NOT have final say. That is very important. What we are agreed upon with MP is that they will present a “short-list” of candidates for us, and we will take-over from there. MP does not control who is selected, and we are certainly allowed to go back to MP and say “these people are all wrong!” or the like. It is a good concern, though, about whether or not they will be able to find people that match our mission. After our first meeting with them, Barry and I were a little skeptical of this too. But after a second meeting with them they brought on a new guy (Marcelo) to head up the search, who was a lot more connected in are realms of social work, and we were a lot more confident and excited about working with them. Obviously, though, we are wanting to cast our net as wide as possible, though, and want all of your help in advertising the position and identifying excellent candidates. Most successful placements in most organizations are made by internal recommendation![1] Ok so as for the step two of the
Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] National Program Director
2011/11/21 Jessie Wild jw...@wikimedia.org: Em 21 de novembro de 2011 00:20, Alexandre Hannud Abdo a...@member.fsf.org escreveu: Is MichaelPage working pro-bono for the foundation? No. Please don't get me wrong, but... Why weren't we consulted about this? I mean, I'm considering two things: 1) Michael Page does not understand the job and does not have the competence to recognize the right people, not even for a raw selection. 2) I am not the only one here who could have arranged a pro-bono headhunter at least as good with one or two phone calls. You don't know our country (at all, don't fool yourselves) and you don't know the resources our community has at its disposal. If we do not cooperate, you will be wasting money, resources and opportunities all the time. I have a sad feeling that if the WMF does not get it, we'll start to have more serious and unnecessary conflicts in the future. We must stop being handled consummated facts. I don't think this is the right way to handle things. Finally, on a funny detail, I don't think this person should have director in his title. It gives the wrong impression towards others and the community itself, and we Brazilians are very easily impressed. Actually, my personal opinion is that this whole Brazilian office affair is a huge mistake, but that was not even put on the table for us to discuss. Hugs, ale .:. ___ WikimediaBR-l mailing list WikimediaBR-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediabr-l
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Em 22 de novembro de 2011 14:15, Alexandre Hannud Abdo a...@member.fsf.org escreveu: Why weren't we consulted about this? I don't intend to answer in name of WMF, but Jessie has sent an email on 10th of November. Then we had 9 days to discuss it. Besides that, I was also wondering why this job position if we have this other http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/RFP/Global_Education_Program_Consultant My question is how both job positions fit with each other? There seems to be a connection, but it isn't clear to me and think important to Wikimedia community (beyond Brazil) understand it. 1) Michael Page does not understand the job and does not have the competence to recognize the right people, not even for a raw selection. I don't know anything about Michael Page to say about their competence, but I have to say I am also a bit skeptical about it and I hope I am wrong. This is a reason I proposed a more open selection process and I hope it's possible to Michael Page do so. 2) I am not the only one here who could have arranged a pro-bono headhunter at least as good with one or two phone calls. You don't know our country (at all, don't fool yourselves) and you don't know the resources our community has at its disposal. If we do not cooperate, you will be wasting money, resources and opportunities all the time. Abdo, I believe they have used Carol's recommendations: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global/Brazil/BCP_Recommendations#Establish_a_WMF_presence_in_Brazil_and_hire_a_National_Program_Director So I believe the discussion on this was open. Maybe a notice about Carol's report was sent to the mailing list, I cannot remember, and we haven't seen it because of the sea of arguments ad hominem and some useless messages sometimes we have here. Finally, on a funny detail, I don't think this person should have director in his title. It gives the wrong impression towards others and the community itself, and we Brazilians are very easily impressed. Maybe you are right and another name for this person who will coordinate a national program would be better. But I believe this is a detail which can be solved easily. Actually, my personal opinion is that this whole Brazilian office affair is a huge mistake, but that was not even put on the table for us to discuss. I am not sure about this being a mistake. My feeling is that it's good idea to have someone to coordinate a project such as Wikipedia Ambassadors. Besides incredible people working here as volunteers and doing a great job to start a legal entity, *maybe* the group is no mature enough (or don't have volunteers enough) to lead an important project such this one. As I am saying for years, using the knowledge *locked* inside Brazilian universities (mainly when paid by public money) is very strategical and will help to improve the commons of free knowledge. But as I said during the last Wikimania discussion, things should be more open and transparent. Besides I tend to think a good idea to have this director (or whatever name it will be), it's strange that firstly we were going to have an office, then we would not have anymore, and, finally, we are going to have. There are discussions in between that the Brazilian community is not part of it and maybe this is an atitude from WMF bothering you. (My feeling is that this can indicate WMF perception about our community - or not community ; ) Hugs, Tom ___ WikimediaBR-l mailing list WikimediaBR-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediabr-l
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Ni! A wise man once said... whenever you start a message with don't get me wrong you raise your chances of being misinterpreted to 100% =D I should have listened. : )P But, back to matters, there were two things in my message. A) One assessment, which I still hold on to, that we are being fed consummated facts when we could be assisting in the strategic choices of the foundation's actions a lot more. This would actually be better phrased as 'whereas the foundation should be seeking our assistance a lot more'. B) One rant, in fact one last and isolated phrase in my e-mail, where I voice an indiscriminate and wrongfully exaggerated concern over the unstated fact, that we're moving towards a chapter plus office situation, which I don't currently understand. Your comments, Tom, though intermingled with A and B, only address B, making it clear it is indiscriminate and wrongfully exaggerated. Well, my bad, but that's what rants are for ; ) However, back to A, while I do agree that we have had a lot of opening during Carol's work to discuss and provide input, the fact remains that, after she left and decisions started being announced, we had no traceable influence nor the opportunity to understand, let alone have a referendum, on why some paths were chosen over others and some actions are being given priority. We had, instead, a back-and-forth of positions regarding the office and finally a sudden announcement that in a few days a job position would be announced and sought through a specific channel with set criteria and a given scope of work. That, in this particular case, we could so obviously be doing things better together, only calls attention to a wider pattern I feel. So that's what still bothers me. Welly well droogs, I hope to have made my previous statement more understandable in face of Tom's thoughtful observations. Hugs, ale 2011/11/22 Everton Zanella Alvarenga everton...@gmail.com: Em 22 de novembro de 2011 14:15, Alexandre Hannud Abdo a...@member.fsf.org escreveu: Why weren't we consulted about this? I don't intend to answer in name of WMF, but Jessie has sent an email on 10th of November. Then we had 9 days to discuss it. Besides that, I was also wondering why this job position if we have this other http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/RFP/Global_Education_Program_Consultant My question is how both job positions fit with each other? There seems to be a connection, but it isn't clear to me and think important to Wikimedia community (beyond Brazil) understand it. 1) Michael Page does not understand the job and does not have the competence to recognize the right people, not even for a raw selection. I don't know anything about Michael Page to say about their competence, but I have to say I am also a bit skeptical about it and I hope I am wrong. This is a reason I proposed a more open selection process and I hope it's possible to Michael Page do so. 2) I am not the only one here who could have arranged a pro-bono headhunter at least as good with one or two phone calls. You don't know our country (at all, don't fool yourselves) and you don't know the resources our community has at its disposal. If we do not cooperate, you will be wasting money, resources and opportunities all the time. Abdo, I believe they have used Carol's recommendations: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global/Brazil/BCP_Recommendations#Establish_a_WMF_presence_in_Brazil_and_hire_a_National_Program_Director So I believe the discussion on this was open. Maybe a notice about Carol's report was sent to the mailing list, I cannot remember, and we haven't seen it because of the sea of arguments ad hominem and some useless messages sometimes we have here. Finally, on a funny detail, I don't think this person should have director in his title. It gives the wrong impression towards others and the community itself, and we Brazilians are very easily impressed. Maybe you are right and another name for this person who will coordinate a national program would be better. But I believe this is a detail which can be solved easily. Actually, my personal opinion is that this whole Brazilian office affair is a huge mistake, but that was not even put on the table for us to discuss. I am not sure about this being a mistake. My feeling is that it's good idea to have someone to coordinate a project such as Wikipedia Ambassadors. Besides incredible people working here as volunteers and doing a great job to start a legal entity, *maybe* the group is no mature enough (or don't have volunteers enough) to lead an important project such this one. As I am saying for years, using the knowledge *locked* inside Brazilian universities (mainly when paid by public money) is very strategical and will help to improve the commons of free knowledge. But as I said during the last Wikimania discussion, things should be more open and transparent. Besides I tend to think a good idea to have this
Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] National Program Director
2011/11/21 Everton Zanella Alvarenga everton...@gmail.com Em 21 de novembro de 2011 00:20, Alexandre Hannud Abdo a...@member.fsf.org escreveu: Ni! 2011/11/19 Jessie Wild jw...@wikimedia.org: Position has been posted: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/RFP/Brazil_National_Program_Director Is MichaelPage working pro-bono for the foundation? No. That is an interesting question. I was wondering how could we make a process of hiring a person more collaborative. For instance, suppose all candidates have to give ideas to improve Wikipedia? Wouldn't be a good idea to have all these ideas gathered and organized somewhere (a wiki? ;) to we work better on this particular problem proposed? This is an interesting idea; we should explore further. As part of the final rounds for candidates, we will have them do some sort of a project, and I love the idea of having this be more open to leverage ideas and thoughts. Maybe a set up like the way the board of directors application process works for Wikimedia (except, I should note, in the end without the direct voting, as there will have to be the executive decision by Sue / Barry). Thoughts? Jessie -- *Jessie Wild Global Development, Manager Wikimedia Foundation * ___ WikimediaBR-l mailing list WikimediaBR-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediabr-l
Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] National Program Director
Em 21 de novembro de 2011 03:09, Jessie Wild jw...@wikimedia.org escreveu: This is an interesting idea; we should explore further. As part of the final rounds for candidates, we will have them do some sort of a project, and I love the idea of having this be more open to leverage ideas and thoughts. Maybe a set up like the way the board of directors application process works for Wikimedia (except, I should note, in the end without the direct voting, as there will have to be the executive decision by Sue / Barry). Thoughts? That would be GREAT! I will think better and propose something! At first, I think each candidate could submit their plans to do this job, aware that this would be made public. Then we could organized these ideas in a wiki page and try to find patterns and similar ideas. One important thing is how to identify the best ideas. Maybe something like the ideas incubator of OKFn http://ideas.okfn.org/ but this can be too complex to a short term process. Maybe the wiki page is enough - the director will have, in my opinion, to deal well with a wiki platform - and we can also analise how candidates deal with discussions when faced to different ideas and counterarguments. Just brainstorming. : ) Tom ___ WikimediaBR-l mailing list WikimediaBR-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediabr-l
Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] National Program Director
Hello everyone! Position has been posted: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/RFP/Brazil_National_Program_Director Please help us in attracting the best candidates by passing this along to your networks. Best, Jessie 2011/11/11 Everton Zanella Alvarenga everton...@gmail.com Em 10 de novembro de 2011 23:24, Jessie Wild jw...@wikimedia.org escreveu: eu sou um alumno muito lento :) É também uma aluna humilde. ; ) ___ WikimediaBR-l mailing list WikimediaBR-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediabr-l -- *Jessie Wild Global Development, Manager Wikimedia Foundation * ___ WikimediaBR-l mailing list WikimediaBR-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediabr-l
Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] National Program Director
Olá a todos! Espero que este e-mail vos encontre a todos bem! Só queria dar uma rápida atualização sobre os funcionários (da WMF) relacionaods com o Brasil. Como temos falado, WMF está a trabalhar com a firma de contratação Michael Page empresa para contratar um Diretor do Programa Nacional (National Program Director) para o Brasil. A posição não foi publicado ainda, mas será em breve. Vou mandar outra atualização, assim que isto acontecer oficialmente, só vos queria deixar a todos informados. Obrigada! Jessie _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* 2011/11/10 Jessie Wild jw...@wikimedia.org *(Could someone please translate this to Portuguese?)* Hello everyone! I hope this email finds you all well! I just wanted to give a quick update on some of the happenings within Brazil regarding staffing. As we have talked about, WMF is working with the executive search firm Michael Page to hire a National Program Director for Brazil. The position hasn't been published yet, but it will be soon. I'll send another update once it is up officially, just so everyone stays informed. Thank you! Jessie -- *Jessie Wild Global Development, Manager Wikimedia Foundation * ___ WikimediaBR-l mailing list WikimediaBR-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediabr-l ___ WikimediaBR-l mailing list WikimediaBR-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediabr-l
