Re: [Wikimediach-l] [WIKIPEDIA IN PRISON] Small press review
Please allow me to lightly oppose here. You are right that the Wikimedia mission is not about free / open source software. But - and that is indeed interpretation but I assume an agreed one - making knowledge _freely_ accessible to _everyone_ needs _free_ tools available to _everyone_ - and that's the aim oft open source. Wikipedia in jail, based von proprietary software? That would not provide free knowledge but just to those who can afford and comply with the software's license. /Manuel Charles Andrès schrieb: Hi Iolanda, Not sure to perfectly understand your concerns, so please excuse me if I do not really answer. First, Wikimedia movement has only one common mission "Wikimedia is a global movement whose mission is to bring free educational content to the world" it means that Wikipedia in Jail is in the core of the Wikimedia movement mission. Any other interpretation of Wikimedia mission is the personal opinion of the people who express it, and do not reflect the core mission. For a concrete example, using free software is not the mission of Wikimedia movement, it can be considered as a plus, but when somebody use a "close" software to accomplish Wikimedia mission, he do not compromise the mission. For your definition of a partnership, partnership is not always a question of what you give and what you receive. Sometimes it's more about establishing a situation of trust that will benefit you in the future. This partnership bring us a lot benefit, and in the near future it could bring us new editors to Wikipedia. For your semantic distinction between supporting and cooperating, I do not share it, If I'm allowed to make a godwin point, during the last war, I don't think those who support were better than those who collaborate (typical french interpretation). Thanks Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chairman "Wikimedia CH" Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 19 juin 2013 à 12:24, Iolanda Pensa a écrit : dear all when i read the announce "Wikipedia for prisoners an unexpected partnership between a swiss prison and Wikimedia CH" I jumped on my chair. please note that I am not questioning the value of providing access to Wikipedia offline, and I think Kiwix is a great project and congratulations to Emmanuel and all the people involved. what made me jump on my chair is the unexpected partnership. for a partnership 1. either you share the same mission (?) 2. either you both give and gain from a cooperation (what Wikimedia CH received in return?). I think calling it a partnership can be a strategic sensational news, but is it really partnership? personally i perceive this communication issue as something important. it is the difference for me of saying to my family and friends: a) I am a member of Wikimedia CH which also supports education programs in prisons. b) I am a member of Wikimedia CH which cooperates with prisons. it is not the same thing. a) makes me thing "well done", b) makes me think it is not the reason I joint the association. please consider next time you communicate this project or other projects. it is delicacy which actually portraits the vision, the mission, the meaning and the sense of what is behind it and behind you. thanks! iolanda/iopensa Il giorno 19/giu/2013, alle ore 11:09, Emmanuel Engelhart ha scritto: Hi This is the result of our press release about our Pilot with the Prison of Gorgiers, near Neuchatel. Chantal was in touch the last days with many journalists who have written about our project. == Online press == * Tribune de Genève: http://www.tdg.ch/high-tech/wikipedia-prison-suisse/story/11492555 * 24 heures online: http://www.24heures.ch/high-tech/wikipedia-prison-suisse/story/11492555 * Le Matin : http://www.lematin.ch/high-tech/wikipedia-prison-suisse/story/11492555 * 20 minutes : http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/romandie/story/Wikip-dia-dans-les-cellules-29095981 * RTN : http://www.rtn.ch/rtn/Actualites/Regionale/20130617-Surfer-sur-Wikipedia-en-prison.html * Arc-info : http://www.arcinfo.ch/fr/regions/canton-de-neuchatel/wikipedia-offline-pour-les-detenus-de-bellevue-a-gorgier-556-1194895 * Blog online : http://www.newsbcc.com/suisse/suisse/surfer_sur_wikip%C3%A9dia_en_prison/312824/ == Paper press == * 20 minutes * L'Express == Wikimedia movement == Really warm welcome in many written feedbacks... I hope this will be inspiring ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] [WIKIPEDIA IN PRISON] Small press review
Hi Iolanda, Not sure to perfectly understand your concerns, so please excuse me if I do not really answer. First, Wikimedia movement has only one common mission "Wikimedia is a global movement whose mission is to bring free educational content to the world" it means that Wikipedia in Jail is in the core of the Wikimedia movement mission. Any other interpretation of Wikimedia mission is the personal opinion of the people who express it, and do not reflect the core mission. For a concrete example, using free software is not the mission of Wikimedia movement, it can be considered as a plus, but when somebody use a "close" software to accomplish Wikimedia mission, he do not compromise the mission. For your definition of a partnership, partnership is not always a question of what you give and what you receive. Sometimes it's more about establishing a situation of trust that will benefit you in the future. This partnership bring us a lot benefit, and in the near future it could bring us new editors to Wikipedia. For your semantic distinction between supporting and cooperating, I do not share it, If I'm allowed to make a godwin point, during the last war, I don't think those who support were better than those who collaborate (typical french interpretation). Thanks Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chairman "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 19 juin 2013 à 12:24, Iolanda Pensa a écrit : > dear all > when i read the announce "Wikipedia for prisoners – an unexpected partnership > between a swiss prison and Wikimedia CH" I jumped on my chair. > please note that I am not questioning the value of providing access to > Wikipedia offline, and I think Kiwix is a great project and congratulations > to Emmanuel and all the people involved. > > what made me jump on my chair is the unexpected partnership. for a partnership > 1. either you share the same mission (?) > 2. either you both give and gain from a cooperation (what Wikimedia CH > received in return?). > I think calling it a partnership can be a strategic sensational news, but is > it really partnership? > > personally i perceive this communication issue as something important. > it is the difference for me of saying to my family and friends: > a) I am a member of Wikimedia CH which also supports education programs in > prisons. > b) I am a member of Wikimedia CH which cooperates with prisons. > it is not the same thing. a) makes me thing "well done", b) makes me think it > is not the reason I joint the association. > > please consider next time you communicate this project or other projects. it > is delicacy which actually portraits the vision, the mission, the meaning and > the sense of what is behind it and behind you. > thanks! > iolanda/iopensa > > Il giorno 19/giu/2013, alle ore 11:09, Emmanuel Engelhart > ha scritto: > >> Hi >> >> This is the result of our press release about our Pilot with the Prison >> of Gorgiers, near Neuchatel. Chantal was in touch the last days with >> many journalists who have written about our project. >> >> == Online press == >> * Tribune de Genève: >> http://www.tdg.ch/high-tech/wikipedia-prison-suisse/story/11492555 >> * 24 heures online: >> http://www.24heures.ch/high-tech/wikipedia-prison-suisse/story/11492555 >> * Le Matin : >> http://www.lematin.ch/high-tech/wikipedia-prison-suisse/story/11492555 >> * 20 minutes : >> http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/romandie/story/Wikip-dia-dans-les-cellules-29095981 >> * RTN : >> http://www.rtn.ch/rtn/Actualites/Regionale/20130617-Surfer-sur-Wikipedia-en-prison.html >> * Arc-info : >> http://www.arcinfo.ch/fr/regions/canton-de-neuchatel/wikipedia-offline-pour-les-detenus-de-bellevue-a-gorgier-556-1194895 >> * Blog online : >> http://www.newsbcc.com/suisse/suisse/surfer_sur_wikip%C3%A9dia_en_prison/312824/ >> >> == Paper press == >> * 20 minutes >> * L'Express >> >> == Wikimedia movement == >> Really warm welcome in many written feedbacks... I hope this will be >> inspiring for other communities. We will certainly have pretty much >> discussions about that at Wikimania. >> >> Regards >> Emmanuel >> >> ___ >> http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website >> Wikimediach-l mailing list >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > > > ___ > http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website > Wikimediach-l mailing list > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] [WIKIPEDIA IN PRISON] Small press review
dear all when i read the announce "Wikipedia for prisoners – an unexpected partnership between a swiss prison and Wikimedia CH" I jumped on my chair. please note that I am not questioning the value of providing access to Wikipedia offline, and I think Kiwix is a great project and congratulations to Emmanuel and all the people involved. what made me jump on my chair is the unexpected partnership. for a partnership 1. either you share the same mission (?) 2. either you both give and gain from a cooperation (what Wikimedia CH received in return?). I think calling it a partnership can be a strategic sensational news, but is it really partnership? personally i perceive this communication issue as something important. it is the difference for me of saying to my family and friends: a) I am a member of Wikimedia CH which also supports education programs in prisons. b) I am a member of Wikimedia CH which cooperates with prisons. it is not the same thing. a) makes me thing "well done", b) makes me think it is not the reason I joint the association. please consider next time you communicate this project or other projects. it is delicacy which actually portraits the vision, the mission, the meaning and the sense of what is behind it and behind you. thanks! iolanda/iopensa Il giorno 19/giu/2013, alle ore 11:09, Emmanuel Engelhart ha scritto: > Hi > > This is the result of our press release about our Pilot with the Prison > of Gorgiers, near Neuchatel. Chantal was in touch the last days with > many journalists who have written about our project. > > == Online press == > * Tribune de Genève: > http://www.tdg.ch/high-tech/wikipedia-prison-suisse/story/11492555 > * 24 heures online: > http://www.24heures.ch/high-tech/wikipedia-prison-suisse/story/11492555 > * Le Matin : > http://www.lematin.ch/high-tech/wikipedia-prison-suisse/story/11492555 > * 20 minutes : > http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/romandie/story/Wikip-dia-dans-les-cellules-29095981 > * RTN : > http://www.rtn.ch/rtn/Actualites/Regionale/20130617-Surfer-sur-Wikipedia-en-prison.html > * Arc-info : > http://www.arcinfo.ch/fr/regions/canton-de-neuchatel/wikipedia-offline-pour-les-detenus-de-bellevue-a-gorgier-556-1194895 > * Blog online : > http://www.newsbcc.com/suisse/suisse/surfer_sur_wikip%C3%A9dia_en_prison/312824/ > > == Paper press == > * 20 minutes > * L'Express > > == Wikimedia movement == > Really warm welcome in many written feedbacks... I hope this will be > inspiring for other communities. We will certainly have pretty much > discussions about that at Wikimania. > > Regards > Emmanuel > > ___ > http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website > Wikimediach-l mailing list > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] [WIKIPEDIA IN PRISON] Small press review
Excellent News! Great Job! Beat > -Original Message- > From: wikimediach-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediach-l- > boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Emmanuel Engelhart > Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2013 11:09 > To: Mailing list for Wikimedia CH > Subject: [Wikimediach-l] [WIKIPEDIA IN PRISON] Small press review > > Hi > > This is the result of our press release about our Pilot with the Prison of > Gorgiers, > near Neuchatel. Chantal was in touch the last days with many journalists who > have written about our project. > > == Online press == > * Tribune de Genève: > http://www.tdg.ch/high-tech/wikipedia-prison-suisse/story/11492555 > * 24 heures online: > http://www.24heures.ch/high-tech/wikipedia-prison-suisse/story/11492555 > * Le Matin : > http://www.lematin.ch/high-tech/wikipedia-prison-suisse/story/11492555 > * 20 minutes : > http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/romandie/story/Wikip-dia-dans-les-cellules- > 29095981 > * RTN : > http://www.rtn.ch/rtn/Actualites/Regionale/20130617-Surfer-sur-Wikipedia-en- > prison.html > * Arc-info : > http://www.arcinfo.ch/fr/regions/canton-de-neuchatel/wikipedia-offline-pour-les- > detenus-de-bellevue-a-gorgier-556-1194895 > * Blog online : > http://www.newsbcc.com/suisse/suisse/surfer_sur_wikip%C3%A9dia_en_prison/3 > 12824/ > > == Paper press == > * 20 minutes > * L'Express > > == Wikimedia movement == > Really warm welcome in many written feedbacks... I hope this will be > inspiring for > other communities. We will certainly have pretty much discussions about that > at > Wikimania. > > Regards > Emmanuel > > ___ > http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] [WIKIPEDIA IN PRISON] Small press review
Hi This is the result of our press release about our Pilot with the Prison of Gorgiers, near Neuchatel. Chantal was in touch the last days with many journalists who have written about our project. == Online press == * Tribune de Genève: http://www.tdg.ch/high-tech/wikipedia-prison-suisse/story/11492555 * 24 heures online: http://www.24heures.ch/high-tech/wikipedia-prison-suisse/story/11492555 * Le Matin : http://www.lematin.ch/high-tech/wikipedia-prison-suisse/story/11492555 * 20 minutes : http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/romandie/story/Wikip-dia-dans-les-cellules-29095981 * RTN : http://www.rtn.ch/rtn/Actualites/Regionale/20130617-Surfer-sur-Wikipedia-en-prison.html * Arc-info : http://www.arcinfo.ch/fr/regions/canton-de-neuchatel/wikipedia-offline-pour-les-detenus-de-bellevue-a-gorgier-556-1194895 * Blog online : http://www.newsbcc.com/suisse/suisse/surfer_sur_wikip%C3%A9dia_en_prison/312824/ == Paper press == * 20 minutes * L'Express == Wikimedia movement == Really warm welcome in many written feedbacks... I hope this will be inspiring for other communities. We will certainly have pretty much discussions about that at Wikimania. Regards Emmanuel ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
