Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mediawiki version upgrade
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:56 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Mark, it is the one. Will really appreciate if it is fixed ASAP! On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 05/10/2012 04:07 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas wrote: There is already bug filed nearly a couple of weeks back, but no resolution till date. It might be worth considering before moving to upgrade if at all you think that people out there might still be using IE7 (like me) and they may need to edit. I think the right thing to do is to fix the policy at your workplace to use another browser. this is a human right violation :) Is this the bug? Edit tools and Narayam not working in gujarati wikis (IE7) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36275 I will try and get it fixed ASAP. -- Mark A. Hershberger Bugmeister Wikimedia foundation...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- j.mp/ArunGanesh http://j.mp/ArunGanesh ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mediawiki version upgrade
Arun, Are you really in senses? If so, why don't you take my case? Mark/All, Please close this bug and don't do anything to resolve the issue, as someone in this world thinks its my personal problem. Please that smartest lot and close the bug. Regards, Dhaval Regards, Dhaval On 11 May 2012 09:30, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:56 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Mark, it is the one. Will really appreciate if it is fixed ASAP! On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 05/10/2012 04:07 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas wrote: There is already bug filed nearly a couple of weeks back, but no resolution till date. It might be worth considering before moving to upgrade if at all you think that people out there might still be using IE7 (like me) and they may need to edit. I think the right thing to do is to fix the policy at your workplace to use another browser. this is a human right violation :) Is this the bug? Edit tools and Narayam not working in gujarati wikis (IE7) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36275 I will try and get it fixed ASAP. -- Mark A. Hershberger Bugmeister Wikimedia foundation...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- j.mp/ArunGanesh http://j.mp/ArunGanesh ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mediawiki version upgrade
Hi Dhaval, Am just curious, being from the non-technical field and all. If there is a problem with respect to IE7, should the problem lie with Microsoft? I mean, can the bug be fixed? I mean no offense and if the bug can be fixed, it should be done, everyone has their browser preferences that they are comfortable with and am sure Arun meant it as a joke. But if the bug is not fixed and the update is applied, would it be possible for you to temporarily shift to another browser till the bug is fixed, since it is already filed? On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote: Arun, Are you really in senses? If so, why don't you take my case? Mark/All, Please close this bug and don't do anything to resolve the issue, as someone in this world thinks its my personal problem. Please that smartest lot and close the bug. Regards, Dhaval Regards, Dhaval On 11 May 2012 09:30, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:56 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Mark, it is the one. Will really appreciate if it is fixed ASAP! On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 05/10/2012 04:07 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas wrote: There is already bug filed nearly a couple of weeks back, but no resolution till date. It might be worth considering before moving to upgrade if at all you think that people out there might still be using IE7 (like me) and they may need to edit. I think the right thing to do is to fix the policy at your workplace to use another browser. this is a human right violation :) Is this the bug? Edit tools and Narayam not working in gujarati wikis (IE7) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36275 I will try and get it fixed ASAP. -- Mark A. Hershberger Bugmeister Wikimedia foundation...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- j.mp/ArunGanesh http://j.mp/ArunGanesh ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Debanjan* - Lets make this world a better and more informative place* ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mediawiki version upgrade
Debanjan, Read my original email, I nevrr said stop the upgrade because i don't want. I am going to be probably the last person on earth to go and edit the site in question. I thought to make everyone aware of the issue associated with it. Decision has to be taken by WMF India, not me. Dhaval On 11 May 2012 11:10, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay debast...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dhaval, Am just curious, being from the non-technical field and all. If there is a problem with respect to IE7, should the problem lie with Microsoft? I mean, can the bug be fixed? I mean no offense and if the bug can be fixed, it should be done, everyone has their browser preferences that they are comfortable with and am sure Arun meant it as a joke. But if the bug is not fixed and the update is applied, would it be possible for you to temporarily shift to another browser till the bug is fixed, since it is already filed? On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote: Arun, Are you really in senses? If so, why don't you take my case? Mark/All, Please close this bug and don't do anything to resolve the issue, as someone in this world thinks its my personal problem. Please that smartest lot and close the bug. Regards, Dhaval Regards, Dhaval On 11 May 2012 09:30, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:56 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.comwrote: Yes Mark, it is the one. Will really appreciate if it is fixed ASAP! On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 05/10/2012 04:07 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas wrote: There is already bug filed nearly a couple of weeks back, but no resolution till date. It might be worth considering before moving to upgrade if at all you think that people out there might still be using IE7 (like me) and they may need to edit. I think the right thing to do is to fix the policy at your workplace to use another browser. this is a human right violation :) Is this the bug? Edit tools and Narayam not working in gujarati wikis (IE7) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36275 I will try and get it fixed ASAP. -- Mark A. Hershberger Bugmeister Wikimedia foundation...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- j.mp/ArunGanesh http://j.mp/ArunGanesh ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Debanjan* - Lets make this world a better and more informative place* ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mediawiki version upgrade
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote: Arun, Are you really in senses? If so, why don't you take my case? Mark/All, Please close this bug and don't do anything to resolve the issue, as someone in this world thinks its my personal problem. Please that smartest lot and close the bug. Dhaval, As you would have got the update by now, a fix was made and bug is on its way to closure (with a resolution.) post deployment[1]. There is no need to take offense on Arun's comment. It probably came because he was bothered more about the lack of choice at certain places than the technicalities given that lot of us value freedom and choice. Nonetheless, IE7 should still be supported as it still gets 4% (861 M) of all page requests[2] to Wikimedia. There would be hundreds of people who might have the choice but prefer to use IE7 as their choice for reasons up to them and bugs are welcome on IE7 as long as its still in use and supported by Microsoft. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36275#c10 [2] http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mediawiki version upgrade
Dhaval, I meant no offence in anyway, I was pointing out the same, that using a particular browser is upto them, its there choice and this meant not only you but like Srikanth pointed out 4% of users. I just asked it you could edit temporarily while the bug was being fixed. The question was whether or not the bug should be fixed, the question was, whether it would deter your contributions. But I hope the issue is resolved now as Srikanth pointed out. Happy editing. :) On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote: Arun, Are you really in senses? If so, why don't you take my case? Mark/All, Please close this bug and don't do anything to resolve the issue, as someone in this world thinks its my personal problem. Please that smartest lot and close the bug. Dhaval, As you would have got the update by now, a fix was made and bug is on its way to closure (with a resolution.) post deployment[1]. There is no need to take offense on Arun's comment. It probably came because he was bothered more about the lack of choice at certain places than the technicalities given that lot of us value freedom and choice. Nonetheless, IE7 should still be supported as it still gets 4% (861 M) of all page requests[2] to Wikimedia. There would be hundreds of people who might have the choice but prefer to use IE7 as their choice for reasons up to them and bugs are welcome on IE7 as long as its still in use and supported by Microsoft. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36275#c10 [2] http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Debanjan* - Lets make this world a better and more informative place* ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mediawiki version upgrade
Yes Srikant, I am following the bug so am aware that its approaching closure. Arun, This email is for you, probably you might consider doing some research, as Srikant did, before making such silly comments on a wider forums. That could probably save others' time in advocating you. Regards, Dhaval On 11 May 2012 11:44, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote: Arun, Are you really in senses? If so, why don't you take my case? Mark/All, Please close this bug and don't do anything to resolve the issue, as someone in this world thinks its my personal problem. Please that smartest lot and close the bug. Dhaval, As you would have got the update by now, a fix was made and bug is on its way to closure (with a resolution.) post deployment[1]. There is no need to take offense on Arun's comment. It probably came because he was bothered more about the lack of choice at certain places than the technicalities given that lot of us value freedom and choice. Nonetheless, IE7 should still be supported as it still gets 4% (861 M) of all page requests[2] to Wikimedia. There would be hundreds of people who might have the choice but prefer to use IE7 as their choice for reasons up to them and bugs are welcome on IE7 as long as its still in use and supported by Microsoft. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36275#c10 [2] http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mediawiki version upgrade
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Srikant, I am following the bug so am aware that its approaching closure. Arun, This email is for you, probably you might consider doing some research, as Srikant did, before making such silly comments on a wider forums. That could probably save others' time in advocating you. Dhaval, I apologize. I did not think that a little joke might have been taken in this way. I tend to see problems at the source and I was just wondering why nobody tries to get such strange policies revoked that force people to use outdated technology. Sorry, once again, no offence meant :) -Arun Regards, Dhaval On 11 May 2012 11:44, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote: Arun, Are you really in senses? If so, why don't you take my case? Mark/All, Please close this bug and don't do anything to resolve the issue, as someone in this world thinks its my personal problem. Please that smartest lot and close the bug. Dhaval, As you would have got the update by now, a fix was made and bug is on its way to closure (with a resolution.) post deployment[1]. There is no need to take offense on Arun's comment. It probably came because he was bothered more about the lack of choice at certain places than the technicalities given that lot of us value freedom and choice. Nonetheless, IE7 should still be supported as it still gets 4% (861 M) of all page requests[2] to Wikimedia. There would be hundreds of people who might have the choice but prefer to use IE7 as their choice for reasons up to them and bugs are welcome on IE7 as long as its still in use and supported by Microsoft. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36275#c10 [2] http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mediawiki version upgrade
Hi Arun, In fact I am sorry. Sorry for taking the real bunter so seriously and personally, sorry for having a go at you. Guys here kept on convincing me that it was a joke, but I was blinded so much in my false anger. I really apologise for that. I have inly seen all serious discussions and allegations recently and from the very first day of joining this list, that I could simply not think that someone mught even joke here. Regards, Dhaval On 11 May 2012 12:18, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Srikant, I am following the bug so am aware that its approaching closure. Arun, This email is for you, probably you might consider doing some research, as Srikant did, before making such silly comments on a wider forums. That could probably save others' time in advocating you. Dhaval, I apologize. I did not think that a little joke might have been taken in this way. I tend to see problems at the source and I was just wondering why nobody tries to get such strange policies revoked that force people to use outdated technology. Sorry, once again, no offence meant :) -Arun Regards, Dhaval On 11 May 2012 11:44, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.comwrote: Arun, Are you really in senses? If so, why don't you take my case? Mark/All, Please close this bug and don't do anything to resolve the issue, as someone in this world thinks its my personal problem. Please that smartest lot and close the bug. Dhaval, As you would have got the update by now, a fix was made and bug is on its way to closure (with a resolution.) post deployment[1]. There is no need to take offense on Arun's comment. It probably came because he was bothered more about the lack of choice at certain places than the technicalities given that lot of us value freedom and choice. Nonetheless, IE7 should still be supported as it still gets 4% (861 M) of all page requests[2] to Wikimedia. There would be hundreds of people who might have the choice but prefer to use IE7 as their choice for reasons up to them and bugs are welcome on IE7 as long as its still in use and supported by Microsoft. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36275#c10 [2] http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mediawiki version upgrade
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Arun, In fact I am sorry. Sorry for taking the real bunter so seriously and personally, sorry for having a go at you. Guys here kept on convincing me that it was a joke, but I was blinded so much in my false anger. I really apologise for that. I have inly seen all serious discussions and allegations recently and from the very first day of joining this list, that I could simply not think that someone mught even joke here. No problem, I totally understood why I could have been misunderstood. I myself am scared to post on the India lists because it feels like I'm about to enter combat with unknown assailants who strike wherever you are not looking. These lists are meant to be for discussions on topics of our interest and building online relationships with fellow contributors. If we cant make it fun then what's the point of contributing? Regarding the bug, I feel at sometime a decision should be taken to stop active support for old browsers. We are still spending valuable development time and effort on fixing issues such as these when we could be concentrating on building stuff for the future. I can understand if there are people using ie7 out of their own will, but from previous cases, it does seem like a good chunk of users are in offices because of outdated IT policy. The IT policy has to eventually see reason and change, so why cant it be now? It will just make the world a better place :) Arun ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mediawiki version upgrade
On 05/11/2012 09:54 PM, Arun Ganesh wrote: Regarding the bug, I feel at sometime a decision should be taken to stop active support for old browsers. We are still spending valuable development time and effort on fixing issues such as these when we could be concentrating on building stuff for the future. We look at stats to determine what browsers get support. If you look at the stats (http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm) you'll see that IE 7 takes up 4.20% of Wikimedia's total traffic. When needed, we still support IE 6 which you can see gets only 1.2%. See the discussion following the release of 1.16.4 last year for more information: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.mediawiki/37243 Hope that helps, Mark. -- Mark A. Hershberger Bugmeister Wikimedia Foundation m...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mediawiki version upgrade
Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch) On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Arun, In fact I am sorry. Sorry for taking the real bunter so seriously and personally, sorry for having a go at you. Guys here kept on convincing me that it was a joke, but I was blinded so much in my false anger. I really apologise for that. I have inly seen all serious discussions and allegations recently and from the very first day of joining this list, that I could simply not think that someone mught even joke here. No problem, I totally understood why I could have been misunderstood. I myself am scared to post on the India lists because it feels like I'm about to enter combat with unknown assailants who strike wherever you are not looking. These lists are meant to be for discussions on topics of our interest and building online relationships with fellow contributors. If we cant make it fun then what's the point of contributing? Regarding the bug, I feel at sometime a decision should be taken to stop active support for old browsers. We are still spending valuable development time and effort on fixing issues such as these when we could be concentrating on building stuff for the future. I can understand if there are people using ie7 out of their own will, but from previous cases, it does seem like a good chunk of users are in offices because of outdated IT policy. The IT policy has to eventually see reason and change, so why cant it be now? It will just make the world a better place :) IE7 and even IE6 still have quite a lot of users I think (IE6 being the default browser shipped with WinXP, which is used widely). AFAIK, Microsoft stops support for WinXP in 2014, and so we could go on for 2 more years I guess. Arun ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
