[Wikimediaindia-l] Wikidata and items without articles

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
In a previous thread there was discussion if Wikidata items without
associated articles are permitted and makes sense. In the office-hour I
asked Lydia to comment.

[18:49]  what is your opinion on items without links ... but
items that are well linked to other items or complete a list  ?
[18:51]  GerardM-: they are fine imho. wikidata is covering
more than wikipedia for example

So it is "officially sanctioned" we can and do have items in Wikidata that
are not (yet) linked to any Wikipedia article. They will not be deleted
when they link other items or when they include statements that show
relevance/ notability.

Effectively we can add a presence for all members of the Lok Sabha and add
links as and when they become available.
Thanks,
   GerardM
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

[sankarshan]

On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Pavanaja U B
 wrote:
> The very first email in this thread by Ravi had two main queries –one was
> about Tulu Wikipedia workshop and another one about Christ University
> project. I have answered both of them. Since both questions were asked in
> the same email, I answered both of them in same reply mail. Vikram also
> answered about the Christ University project. Complete report of CIS-A2K
> activities and outcome is available on meta and I am sure all the people who
> have been active in this thread have thoroughly gone through them. I don’t
> think we will be gaining anything more by doing further hair-splitting on
> this.

I am not entirely sure that the above is a correct summary of things.
If 
is the first email on the thread (from Ravishankar), then the points
raised were:

[+] Section 1.3 of

provides a set of observations in the form of "Lessons Learned"

[+] Ravishankar's point is that although the lessons were recorded,
there are more instances where similar has occurred and lessons have
not been implemented. To quote from that email "Yet, CIS seems to be
repeating sich negligible impact outreach programs many times in March
and April 2014. This includes Tulu workshops where there is active
editor community at all."

I am not sure whether than phrase "Tulu workshops where there is
active editor community at all" was meant to read as "no active editor
community at all". Since no clarification or, amendments were
provided, that line is kept dangling - but the reference to Tulu does
not obvious ask for stats.

[+] The mail thereafter goes to cite
 which is a more
broad update of the status/stats for Kannada and positions this in
contrast to a news article
.
The objective for the comparison is to provide data for the assertion
that  "when you look at Kannada Wikipedia stats, the user activity has
returned to pre-education programme levels within a month".

In short, the original email, if that is the first on this thread,
neither asked about Tulu and nor did it ask about the Christ
University project.




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sankarshan mukhopadhyay


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

[Pavanaja U B]

Hi all,

 

The very first email in this thread by Ravi had two main queries –one was about 
Tulu Wikipedia workshop and another one about Christ University project. I have 
answered both of them. Since both questions were asked in the same email, I 
answered both of them in same reply mail. Vikram also answered about the Christ 
University project. Complete report of CIS-A2K activities and outcome is 
available on meta and I am sure all the people who have been active in this 
thread have thoroughly gone through them. I don’t think we will be gaining 
anything more by doing further hair-splitting on this. 

 

Thanks and regards,

Pavanaja

 

 

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[mailto:wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Abhilash S 
Unni
Sent: 20 May 2014 09:05
To: 'Wikimedia India Community list'
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

 

Hello Pavanaja

 

Thanks for your note and links. Impressive and convincing. No that is not 
shameless at all, after all your effort and the achievements are result of that 
effort, which should of course be appreciated and you can, and should claim due 
credit for that.

 

That said, I do feel that it is odd, when Ravi had specifically asked for 
details regarding Kannada outreach, the response more or less seems to be 
concentrating on Tulu.

 

The fact that this thread subject line mentions Kannada means that someone who 
might be interested to know about Tulu may not even look into this. Another 
thread which could ask for Tulu details might eventually originate asking for 
the same information, and it could be a mish-mash. A situation which could have 
been very well avoided. My two paise.

 

Sadly, this seems to be an ongoing situation here, not just this instance. 
There seems to be a concentrated effort (it could be un-intentional, however 
the general feeling as far as I am concerned and my personal take is that it is 
concentrated effort), to always divert attention or focus of a discussion away 
from the actual subject, leading to an unfortunate situation where, either the 
queries are not answered properly or the responses from the concerned get lost 
in the cacophony.

 

Abhi

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[mailto:wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Srikanth 
Ramakrishnan
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 02:00 AM
To: Wikimedia India Community list
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

 

Ravi, 
with all due respect.

It's been 15 mails on this thread and there is nothing about what the thread 
subject says: Kannada.

There is talk of Tulu, but no Kannada. 

 

On 20 May 2014 01:49, Ravishankar  wrote:

Pavanaja, 

Thanks for providing info regarding outcomes from your efforts in Tulu 
Wikipedia outreach and Kannada Wikipedia education program.

I will provide a detailed response by tomorrow.

 

Hey Srikanth and others, 

Doesn't matter if I asked for Tulu stats. I appreciate Pavanaj's efforts to 
highlight the outcome of their Tulu outreach work even if it is a passing 
mention from me. 

Ravi


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

[Abhilash S Unni]

Hello Pavanaja

 

Thanks for your note and links. Impressive and convincing. No that is not 
shameless at all, after all your effort and the achievements are result of that 
effort, which should of course be appreciated and you can, and should claim due 
credit for that.

 

That said, I do feel that it is odd, when Ravi had specifically asked for 
details regarding Kannada outreach, the response more or less seems to be 
concentrating on Tulu.

 

The fact that this thread subject line mentions Kannada means that someone who 
might be interested to know about Tulu may not even look into this. Another 
thread which could ask for Tulu details might eventually originate asking for 
the same information, and it could be a mish-mash. A situation which could have 
been very well avoided. My two paise.

 

Sadly, this seems to be an ongoing situation here, not just this instance. 
There seems to be a concentrated effort (it could be un-intentional, however 
the general feeling as far as I am concerned and my personal take is that it is 
concentrated effort), to always divert attention or focus of a discussion away 
from the actual subject, leading to an unfortunate situation where, either the 
queries are not answered properly or the responses from the concerned get lost 
in the cacophony.

 

Abhi

From: wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org 
[mailto:wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Srikanth 
Ramakrishnan
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 02:00 AM
To: Wikimedia India Community list
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

 

Ravi, 
with all due respect.

It's been 15 mails on this thread and there is nothing about what the thread 
subject says: Kannada.

There is talk of Tulu, but no Kannada. 

 

On 20 May 2014 01:49, Ravishankar mailto:ravidre...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Pavanaja, 

Thanks for providing info regarding outcomes from your efforts in Tulu 
Wikipedia outreach and Kannada Wikipedia education program.

I will provide a detailed response by tomorrow.

 

Hey Srikanth and others, 

Doesn't matter if I asked for Tulu stats. I appreciate Pavanaj's efforts to 
highlight the outcome of their Tulu outreach work even if it is a passing 
mention from me. 

Ravi


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Regards,
Srikanth Ramakrishnan,

What goes around, may not necessarily come around, it may simply bounce back.

 

Please sign this petition for Volvo buses in Coimbatore:

https://www.change.org/en-IN/petitions/the-transport-minister-tamil-nadu-introduction-of-volvo-city-buses-in-the-city-of-coimbatore

 

 

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Ravi,
with all due respect.
It's been 15 mails on this thread and there is nothing about what the
thread subject says: Kannada.
There is talk of Tulu, but no Kannada.


On 20 May 2014 01:49, Ravishankar  wrote:

> Pavanaja,
>
> Thanks for providing info regarding outcomes from your efforts in Tulu
> Wikipedia outreach and Kannada Wikipedia education program.
>
> I will provide a detailed response by tomorrow.
>
> Hey Srikanth and others,
>
> Doesn't matter if I asked for Tulu stats. I appreciate Pavanaj's efforts
> to highlight the outcome of their Tulu outreach work even if it is a
> passing mention from me.
>
> Ravi
>
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back.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

[Ravishankar]

Pavanaja,

Thanks for providing info regarding outcomes from your efforts in Tulu
Wikipedia outreach and Kannada Wikipedia education program.

I will provide a detailed response by tomorrow.

Hey Srikanth and others,

Doesn't matter if I asked for Tulu stats. I appreciate Pavanaj's efforts to
highlight the outcome of their Tulu outreach work even if it is a passing
mention from me.

Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Ravi only made a reference to Tulu. He didn't ask for Tulu stats now did
he?
On May 19, 2014 10:57 PM, "Pavanaja U B"  wrote:

> Dear Abhilash,
>
>
>
> Here is that part of Ravi’s email to the list where he mentioned about
> Tulu-
>
>  Yet, CIS seems to be repeating sich negligible impact outreach
> programs many times in March and April 2014. This includes Tulu workshops
> where there is active editor community at all.  
>
> Here is my profile -
> http://cis-india.org/openness/blog/pavanaja-profile.pdf
>
>
>
> Yes, I am an expert in Kannada. I belong to coastal Karnataka where Tulu
> is spoken. I can talk and understand Tulu.
>
>
>
> I hope I have answered your queries.
>
>
>
> Shameless plug:
>
> If I am allowed to blow my trumpet here, you may read this at leisure -
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bytesforall_readers/conversations/messages/200
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Pavanaja
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Abhilash S
> Unni
> *Sent:* 19 May 2014 12:52
> *To:* 'Wikimedia India Community list'
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia
>
>
>
> Sorry, I may be getting this wrong or missing something.
>
>
>
> I do not see any query from Ravi regarding Tulu stats, did I miss
> something?
>
>
>
> Ravi, could you clarify as well please.
>
>
>
> Pavanaja, I am sorry, again I might be wrong in my understanding here as
> well on your abilities. You are free to correct me, please share your
> profile which I can read through if you do not mind.
>
>
>
> Just was wondering from your email domain name (vishvakannada), that I
> thought you are an expert on Kannada. Is Tulu also something that comes
> under the same remit. Again, I am a layman, sorry if I am getting it wrong
> and you are free to correct my wrong understanding.
>
>
>
> Abhi
>
>
>
> *From:* wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [
> mailto:wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Pavanaja U B
> *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2014 12:03 PM
> *To:* 'Wikimedia India Community list'
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia
>
>
>
> Dear Ansuman,
>
>
>
> Please go through the thread fully. Ravi asked a question about Tulu and I
> answered that.
>
>
>
> Regarding your statement that the stats are overall from 2007 and not for
> one month only – Please read my email carefully. The first stats, ie, total
> 147 articles is for the period 2007 to March 2014. The current figure that
> I mentioned is 284. This growth happened in just one month as I already
> wrote.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Pavanaja
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [
> mailto:wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org]
> *On Behalf Of *ansuman
> *Sent:* 18 May 2014 21:06
> *To:* Wikimedia India Community list
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia
>
>
>
> The Subject line says "Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia". Why the
> stats for Tulu ?
>
> No wonder, they always try to cover up with something else!!!
>
> Anyway in the stats, those numbers are overall from 2007, not just one
> month's.
>
>
> Ansuman
>
>
>
> On 18 May 2014 20:45, Srikanth Ramakrishnan  wrote:
>
> Editors with 10 edit count?
> That's nothing great. Half of them might have edited from the workshop
> itself and then disappeared. Also, edit counts are never considered a good
> measure of success.
> Are there any real metrics being used?
>
> On May 18, 2014 7:00 PM, "Pavanaja U B" 
> wrote:
>
> Dear Ravi,
>
>
>
> 1.Tulu Wikipedia outreach programs and outcome:
>
>
>
> Please look at the work plan here and the stats mentioned –
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015/Making_the_Tulu_Wikipedia_Live.
>
>
> Pay little attention to these numbers (excerpt from the work-plan above)-
>
>
>
> The current stats, as of March 2014 stands like this:
>
> · 147 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages.
>
> · 31 total number of editors; including those who have done just
> one edit.
>
> · 8 editors with more than 10 edit counts.
>
>
>
> Now please take a look at the stats at this page -
> http://tools.wmflabs.org/pathoschild-contrib/catanalysis/index.php?title=Wp%2Ftcy&cat=0&wiki=incubatorwiki&listpages=on#distribution_201404.
> I am extracting the same data for current –
>
> · 284 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages.
>
> · 41 total number of editors; including those who have done just
> one edit.
>
> · 18 editors with more than 10 edit counts.
>
> These figures definitely point to the fact that the workshops are not
> wasted efforts. These changes have happened in just one month. In the stats
> page you may also notice that  Tulu Wikipedia was almost dormant from Sep
> 2009 till April 2014 with some occasional activity spikes 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

[Pavanaja U B]

Dear Abhilash,

 

Here is that part of Ravi's email to the list where he mentioned about Tulu-

 Yet, CIS seems to be repeating sich negligible impact outreach
programs many times in March and April 2014. This includes Tulu workshops
where there is active editor community at all.  

Here is my profile -

http://cis-india.org/openness/blog/pavanaja-profile.pdf 

 

Yes, I am an expert in Kannada. I belong to coastal Karnataka where Tulu is
spoken. I can talk and understand Tulu.

 

I hope I have answered your queries.

 

Shameless plug:

If I am allowed to blow my trumpet here, you may read this at leisure -

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bytesforall_readers/conversations/messag
es/200 

 

Thanks and regards,

Pavanaja

 

 

 

From: wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Abhilash
S Unni
Sent: 19 May 2014 12:52
To: 'Wikimedia India Community list'
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

 

Sorry, I may be getting this wrong or missing something. 

 

I do not see any query from Ravi regarding Tulu stats, did I miss something?

 

Ravi, could you clarify as well please.

 

Pavanaja, I am sorry, again I might be wrong in my understanding here as
well on your abilities. You are free to correct me, please share your
profile which I can read through if you do not mind.

 

Just was wondering from your email domain name (vishvakannada), that I
thought you are an expert on Kannada. Is Tulu also something that comes
under the same remit. Again, I am a layman, sorry if I am getting it wrong
and you are free to correct my wrong understanding.

 

Abhi

 

From: wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pavanaja
U B
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 12:03 PM
To: 'Wikimedia India Community list'
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

 

Dear Ansuman,

 

Please go through the thread fully. Ravi asked a question about Tulu and I
answered that.

 

Regarding your statement that the stats are overall from 2007 and not for
one month only - Please read my email carefully. The first stats, ie, total
147 articles is for the period 2007 to March 2014. The current figure that I
mentioned is 284. This growth happened in just one month as I already wrote.


 

Regards,

Pavanaja

 

 

From: wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ansuman
Sent: 18 May 2014 21:06
To: Wikimedia India Community list
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

 

The Subject line says "Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia". Why the
stats for Tulu ?

No wonder, they always try to cover up with something else!!!

Anyway in the stats, those numbers are overall from 2007, not just one
month's.




Ansuman

 

On 18 May 2014 20:45, Srikanth Ramakrishnan  wrote:

Editors with 10 edit count? 
That's nothing great. Half of them might have edited from the workshop
itself and then disappeared. Also, edit counts are never considered a good
measure of success. 
Are there any real metrics being used? 

On May 18, 2014 7:00 PM, "Pavanaja U B"  wrote:

Dear Ravi,

 

1.Tulu Wikipedia outreach programs and outcome:

 

Please look at the work plan here and the stats mentioned -
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_Ju
ly_2014_-_June_2015/Making_the_Tulu_Wikipedia_Live. 

Pay little attention to these numbers (excerpt from the work-plan above)-  

 

The current stats, as of March 2014 stands like this:

. 147 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages.

. 31 total number of editors; including those who have done just one
edit.

. 8 editors with more than 10 edit counts.

 

Now please take a look at the stats at this page -
http://tools.wmflabs.org/pathoschild-contrib/catanalysis/index.php?title=Wp%
2Ftcy

&cat=0&wiki=incubatorwiki&listpages=on#distribution_201404. I am extracting
the same data for current -

. 284 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages.

. 41 total number of editors; including those who have done just one
edit.

. 18 editors with more than 10 edit counts.

These figures definitely point to the fact that the workshops are not wasted
efforts. These changes have happened in just one month. In the stats page
you may also notice that  Tulu Wikipedia was almost dormant from Sep 2009
till April 2014 with some occasional activity spikes in between. Let us hope
the new set of editors who have come in will actively keep contributing to
Tulu Wikipedi

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Tulu is a language with roughly 2 million speakers that is used on the West
Coast of Karnataka and North Kerala, around Mangalore to kasargod and a few
other coastal spots.



On 19 May 2014 12:52, Abhilash S Unni  wrote:

> Sorry, I may be getting this wrong or missing something.
>
>
>
> I do not see any query from Ravi regarding Tulu stats, did I miss
> something?
>
>
>
> Ravi, could you clarify as well please.
>
>
>
> Pavanaja, I am sorry, again I might be wrong in my understanding here as
> well on your abilities. You are free to correct me, please share your
> profile which I can read through if you do not mind.
>
>
>
> Just was wondering from your email domain name (vishvakannada), that I
> thought you are an expert on Kannada. Is Tulu also something that comes
> under the same remit. Again, I am a layman, sorry if I am getting it wrong
> and you are free to correct my wrong understanding.
>
>
>
> Abhi
>
>
>
> *From:* wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Pavanaja U B
> *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2014 12:03 PM
>
> *To:* 'Wikimedia India Community list'
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia
>
>
>
> Dear Ansuman,
>
>
>
> Please go through the thread fully. Ravi asked a question about Tulu and I
> answered that.
>
>
>
> Regarding your statement that the stats are overall from 2007 and not for
> one month only – Please read my email carefully. The first stats, ie, total
> 147 articles is for the period 2007 to March 2014. The current figure that
> I mentioned is 284. This growth happened in just one month as I already
> wrote.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Pavanaja
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [
> mailto:wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org]
> *On Behalf Of *ansuman
> *Sent:* 18 May 2014 21:06
> *To:* Wikimedia India Community list
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia
>
>
>
> The Subject line says "Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia". Why the
> stats for Tulu ?
>
> No wonder, they always try to cover up with something else!!!
>
> Anyway in the stats, those numbers are overall from 2007, not just one
> month's.
>
>
> Ansuman
>
>
>
> On 18 May 2014 20:45, Srikanth Ramakrishnan  wrote:
>
> Editors with 10 edit count?
> That's nothing great. Half of them might have edited from the workshop
> itself and then disappeared. Also, edit counts are never considered a good
> measure of success.
> Are there any real metrics being used?
>
> On May 18, 2014 7:00 PM, "Pavanaja U B" 
> wrote:
>
> Dear Ravi,
>
>
>
> 1.Tulu Wikipedia outreach programs and outcome:
>
>
>
> Please look at the work plan here and the stats mentioned –
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015/Making_the_Tulu_Wikipedia_Live.
>
>
> Pay little attention to these numbers (excerpt from the work-plan above)-
>
>
>
> The current stats, as of March 2014 stands like this:
>
> · 147 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages.
>
> · 31 total number of editors; including those who have done just
> one edit.
>
> · 8 editors with more than 10 edit counts.
>
>
>
> Now please take a look at the stats at this page -
> http://tools.wmflabs.org/pathoschild-contrib/catanalysis/index.php?title=Wp%2Ftcy&cat=0&wiki=incubatorwiki&listpages=on#distribution_201404.
> I am extracting the same data for current –
>
> · 284 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages.
>
> · 41 total number of editors; including those who have done just
> one edit.
>
> · 18 editors with more than 10 edit counts.
>
> These figures definitely point to the fact that the workshops are not
> wasted efforts. These changes have happened in just one month. In the stats
> page you may also notice that  Tulu Wikipedia was almost dormant from Sep
> 2009 till April 2014 with some occasional activity spikes in between. Let
> us hope the new set of editors who have come in will actively keep
> contributing to Tulu Wikipedia. Optimism is not a bad idea after all.
>
>
>
> 2. Wikipedia in UG education program at Christ University Bangalore:
>
>
>
> It is true that a spike can be seen in the stats for Kannada Wikipedia.
> But the program will be continuing this year also. Students will continue
> to write for Kannada Wikipedia. This academic year they will also add
> content to Kannada Wikisource. I have personally interacted with many
> students. There are quite a good number of students who are passionate
> about enriching Kannada language and bringing latest knowledge into Kannada
> by way of adding articles to Kannada Wikipedia. Nurturing those students
> will help not only Kannada Wikipedia but also Kannada language and people
> in general. Again, I would emphasis, let us be optimistic.
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Pavanaja
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikim

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

[Abhilash S Unni]

Sorry, I may be getting this wrong or missing something. 

 

I do not see any query from Ravi regarding Tulu stats, did I miss something?

 

Ravi, could you clarify as well please.

 

Pavanaja, I am sorry, again I might be wrong in my understanding here as
well on your abilities. You are free to correct me, please share your
profile which I can read through if you do not mind.

 

Just was wondering from your email domain name (vishvakannada), that I
thought you are an expert on Kannada. Is Tulu also something that comes
under the same remit. Again, I am a layman, sorry if I am getting it wrong
and you are free to correct my wrong understanding.

 

Abhi

 

From: wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pavanaja
U B
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 12:03 PM
To: 'Wikimedia India Community list'
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

 

Dear Ansuman,

 

Please go through the thread fully. Ravi asked a question about Tulu and I
answered that.

 

Regarding your statement that the stats are overall from 2007 and not for
one month only - Please read my email carefully. The first stats, ie, total
147 articles is for the period 2007 to March 2014. The current figure that I
mentioned is 284. This growth happened in just one month as I already wrote.


 

Regards,

Pavanaja

 

 

From: wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org

[mailto:wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ansuman
Sent: 18 May 2014 21:06
To: Wikimedia India Community list
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

 

The Subject line says "Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia". Why the
stats for Tulu ?

No wonder, they always try to cover up with something else!!!

Anyway in the stats, those numbers are overall from 2007, not just one
month's.




Ansuman

 

On 18 May 2014 20:45, Srikanth Ramakrishnan mailto:rsrikant...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Editors with 10 edit count? 
That's nothing great. Half of them might have edited from the workshop
itself and then disappeared. Also, edit counts are never considered a good
measure of success. 
Are there any real metrics being used? 

On May 18, 2014 7:00 PM, "Pavanaja U B" mailto:pavan...@vishvakannada.com> > wrote:

Dear Ravi,

 

1.Tulu Wikipedia outreach programs and outcome:

 

Please look at the work plan here and the stats mentioned -
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_Ju
ly_2014_-_June_2015/Making_the_Tulu_Wikipedia_Live. 

Pay little attention to these numbers (excerpt from the work-plan above)-  

 

The current stats, as of March 2014 stands like this:

* 147 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages.

* 31 total number of editors; including those who have done just one
edit.

* 8 editors with more than 10 edit counts.

 

Now please take a look at the stats at this page -
http://tools.wmflabs.org/pathoschild-contrib/catanalysis/index.php?title=Wp%
2Ftcy

&cat=0&wiki=incubatorwiki&listpages=on#distribution_201404. I am extracting
the same data for current -

* 284 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages.

* 41 total number of editors; including those who have done just one
edit.

* 18 editors with more than 10 edit counts.

These figures definitely point to the fact that the workshops are not wasted
efforts. These changes have happened in just one month. In the stats page
you may also notice that  Tulu Wikipedia was almost dormant from Sep 2009
till April 2014 with some occasional activity spikes in between. Let us hope
the new set of editors who have come in will actively keep contributing to
Tulu Wikipedia. Optimism is not a bad idea after all.

 

2. Wikipedia in UG education program at Christ University Bangalore:

 

It is true that a spike can be seen in the stats for Kannada Wikipedia. But
the program will be continuing this year also. Students will continue to
write for Kannada Wikipedia. This academic year they will also add content
to Kannada Wikisource. I have personally interacted with many students.
There are quite a good number of students who are passionate about enriching
Kannada language and bringing latest knowledge into Kannada by way of adding
articles to Kannada Wikipedia. Nurturing those students will help not only
Kannada Wikipedia but also Kannada language and people in general. Again, I
would emphasis, let us be optimistic.  

 

Thanks and regards,

Pavanaja

 

 

From: wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org

[mailto:wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
 ] On Behalf Of
Ravishankar
Se

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

//Yet, CIS seems to be repeating sich negligible impact outreach programs
many times in March and April 2014. This includes Tulu workshops where
there is active editor community at all. //

This is Ravi's original statement.
He did not ask for stats on Tulu.

As for Tulu being small, I misread your post. I thought you were giving
stats for Kannada.
Even still, as Ansuman said, those are stats for 7 years.

Again, no mention of metrics on Kannada. Straight to Tulu.

Tulu might be incubator, might have great editors, which is great, but to
this thread it is irrelevant.

Ravi has explicitly asked for metrics and stats on Kannada, it would be
nice if someone could actually give some info on that instead of dilly
dallying around.



On 19 May 2014 12:02, Pavanaja U B  wrote:

> Dear Ansuman,
>
>
>
> Please go through the thread fully. Ravi asked a question about Tulu and I
> answered that.
>
>
>
> Regarding your statement that the stats are overall from 2007 and not for
> one month only – Please read my email carefully. The first stats, ie, total
> 147 articles is for the period 2007 to March 2014. The current figure that
> I mentioned is 284. This growth happened in just one month as I already
> wrote.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Pavanaja
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ansuman
> *Sent:* 18 May 2014 21:06
>
> *To:* Wikimedia India Community list
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia
>
>
>
> The Subject line says "Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia". Why the
> stats for Tulu ?
>
> No wonder, they always try to cover up with something else!!!
>
> Anyway in the stats, those numbers are overall from 2007, not just one
> month's.
>
>
> Ansuman
>
>
>
> On 18 May 2014 20:45, Srikanth Ramakrishnan  wrote:
>
> Editors with 10 edit count?
> That's nothing great. Half of them might have edited from the workshop
> itself and then disappeared. Also, edit counts are never considered a good
> measure of success.
> Are there any real metrics being used?
>
> On May 18, 2014 7:00 PM, "Pavanaja U B" 
> wrote:
>
> Dear Ravi,
>
>
>
> 1.Tulu Wikipedia outreach programs and outcome:
>
>
>
> Please look at the work plan here and the stats mentioned –
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015/Making_the_Tulu_Wikipedia_Live.
>
>
> Pay little attention to these numbers (excerpt from the work-plan above)-
>
>
>
> The current stats, as of March 2014 stands like this:
>
> · 147 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages.
>
> · 31 total number of editors; including those who have done just
> one edit.
>
> · 8 editors with more than 10 edit counts.
>
>
>
> Now please take a look at the stats at this page -
> http://tools.wmflabs.org/pathoschild-contrib/catanalysis/index.php?title=Wp%2Ftcy&cat=0&wiki=incubatorwiki&listpages=on#distribution_201404.
> I am extracting the same data for current –
>
> · 284 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages.
>
> · 41 total number of editors; including those who have done just
> one edit.
>
> · 18 editors with more than 10 edit counts.
>
> These figures definitely point to the fact that the workshops are not
> wasted efforts. These changes have happened in just one month. In the stats
> page you may also notice that  Tulu Wikipedia was almost dormant from Sep
> 2009 till April 2014 with some occasional activity spikes in between. Let
> us hope the new set of editors who have come in will actively keep
> contributing to Tulu Wikipedia. Optimism is not a bad idea after all.
>
>
>
> 2. Wikipedia in UG education program at Christ University Bangalore:
>
>
>
> It is true that a spike can be seen in the stats for Kannada Wikipedia.
> But the program will be continuing this year also. Students will continue
> to write for Kannada Wikipedia. This academic year they will also add
> content to Kannada Wikisource. I have personally interacted with many
> students. There are quite a good number of students who are passionate
> about enriching Kannada language and bringing latest knowledge into Kannada
> by way of adding articles to Kannada Wikipedia. Nurturing those students
> will help not only Kannada Wikipedia but also Kannada language and people
> in general. Again, I would emphasis, let us be optimistic.
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Pavanaja
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Ravishankar
> *Sent:* 17 May 2014 16:40
> *To:* Wikimedia India Community list
> *Subject:* [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia
>
>
>
> MarHey,
>
> Any community member here from Kannada Wikipedia?
>
> I would like to understand the outcome of CIS work there.
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-02/News_and_no