Ravi only made a reference to Tulu. He didn't ask for Tulu stats now did he? On May 19, 2014 10:57 PM, "Pavanaja U B" <pavan...@vishvakannada.com> wrote:
> Dear Abhilash, > > > > Here is that part of Ravi’s email to the list where he mentioned about > Tulu- > > <QUOTE> Yet, CIS seems to be repeating sich negligible impact outreach > programs many times in March and April 2014. This includes Tulu workshops > where there is active editor community at all. </QUOTE> > > Here is my profile - > http://cis-india.org/openness/blog/pavanaja-profile.pdf > > > > Yes, I am an expert in Kannada. I belong to coastal Karnataka where Tulu > is spoken. I can talk and understand Tulu. > > > > I hope I have answered your queries. > > > > Shameless plug: > > If I am allowed to blow my trumpet here, you may read this at leisure - > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bytesforall_readers/conversations/messages/200 > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Pavanaja > > > > > > > > *From:* wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: > wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Abhilash S > Unni > *Sent:* 19 May 2014 12:52 > *To:* 'Wikimedia India Community list' > *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia > > > > Sorry, I may be getting this wrong or missing something. > > > > I do not see any query from Ravi regarding Tulu stats, did I miss > something? > > > > Ravi, could you clarify as well please. > > > > Pavanaja, I am sorry, again I might be wrong in my understanding here as > well on your abilities. You are free to correct me, please share your > profile which I can read through if you do not mind. > > > > Just was wondering from your email domain name (vishvakannada), that I > thought you are an expert on Kannada. Is Tulu also something that comes > under the same remit. Again, I am a layman, sorry if I am getting it wrong > and you are free to correct my wrong understanding. > > > > Abhi > > > > *From:* wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [ > mailto:wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org<wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org>] > *On Behalf Of *Pavanaja U B > *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2014 12:03 PM > *To:* 'Wikimedia India Community list' > *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia > > > > Dear Ansuman, > > > > Please go through the thread fully. Ravi asked a question about Tulu and I > answered that. > > > > Regarding your statement that the stats are overall from 2007 and not for > one month only – Please read my email carefully. The first stats, ie, total > 147 articles is for the period 2007 to March 2014. The current figure that > I mentioned is 284. This growth happened in just one month as I already > wrote. > > > > Regards, > > Pavanaja > > > > > > *From:* wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [ > mailto:wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org<wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org>] > *On Behalf Of *ansuman > *Sent:* 18 May 2014 21:06 > *To:* Wikimedia India Community list > *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia > > > > The Subject line says "Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia". Why the > stats for Tulu ? > > No wonder, they always try to cover up with something else!!! > > Anyway in the stats, those numbers are overall from 2007, not just one > month's. > > > Ansuman > > > > On 18 May 2014 20:45, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Editors with 10 edit count? > That's nothing great. Half of them might have edited from the workshop > itself and then disappeared. Also, edit counts are never considered a good > measure of success. > Are there any real metrics being used? > > On May 18, 2014 7:00 PM, "Pavanaja U B" <pavan...@vishvakannada.com> > wrote: > > Dear Ravi, > > > > 1.Tulu Wikipedia outreach programs and outcome: > > > > Please look at the work plan here and the stats mentioned – > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015/Making_the_Tulu_Wikipedia_Live. > > > Pay little attention to these numbers (excerpt from the work-plan above)- > > > > The current stats, as of March 2014 stands like this: > > · 147 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages. > > · 31 total number of editors; including those who have done just > one edit. > > · 8 editors with more than 10 edit counts. > > > > Now please take a look at the stats at this page - > http://tools.wmflabs.org/pathoschild-contrib/catanalysis/index.php?title=Wp%2Ftcy&cat=0&wiki=incubatorwiki&listpages=on#distribution_201404. > I am extracting the same data for current – > > · 284 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages. > > · 41 total number of editors; including those who have done just > one edit. > > · 18 editors with more than 10 edit counts. > > These figures definitely point to the fact that the workshops are not > wasted efforts. These changes have happened in just one month. In the stats > page you may also notice that Tulu Wikipedia was almost dormant from Sep > 2009 till April 2014 with some occasional activity spikes in between. Let > us hope the new set of editors who have come in will actively keep > contributing to Tulu Wikipedia. Optimism is not a bad idea after all. > > > > 2. Wikipedia in UG education program at Christ University Bangalore: > > > > It is true that a spike can be seen in the stats for Kannada Wikipedia. > But the program will be continuing this year also. Students will continue > to write for Kannada Wikipedia. This academic year they will also add > content to Kannada Wikisource. I have personally interacted with many > students. There are quite a good number of students who are passionate > about enriching Kannada language and bringing latest knowledge into Kannada > by way of adding articles to Kannada Wikipedia. Nurturing those students > will help not only Kannada Wikipedia but also Kannada language and people > in general. Again, I would emphasis, let us be optimistic. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Pavanaja > > > > > > *From:* wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: > wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Ravishankar > *Sent:* 17 May 2014 16:40 > *To:* Wikimedia India Community list > *Subject:* [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia > > > > MarHey, > > Any community member here from Kannada Wikipedia? > > I would like to understand the outcome of CIS work there. > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-02/News_and_notes > > lists one of the lessons learned as follows: > > //Single-session, general-audience outreach has negligible impact > everywhere (for example, just giving a single talk about Wikipedia to > whoever shows up—the conversion rate to editors is tiny, and yet we keep > *doing* it".// > > (Do give a full read of that whole section 1.3 Lessons learned) > > Yet, CIS seems to be repeating sich negligible impact outreach programs > many times in March and April 2014. This includes Tulu workshops where > there is active editor community at all. > > To quote Asaf again: > > //So just what *has* the Foundation learned about the criteria for > funding successful activities? Bartov first talked about a fundamental > prerequisite: > > "The *sine qua non* of most programs is a core of self-motivating active > editors. Most of the things you want to do, most of the things chapters in > the global north are doing, depend on this core. It can be as small as four > or five people, but those people need to be actual active editors ... who > edit because they like it, they enjoy editing Wikipedia or Commons, they > get it, and they are inherently committed to our principles like NPOV; not > people who are editing because there's a contest on and they want to win > the laptop. > > "Where that core doesn't exist, it's very hard to deploy any other type of > program. If you want [a GLAM partnership] with the National Museum of > Cameroon ... how are you going to deliver on what you promise the museum if > you don't have local editors who will do the work – write the articles, > show up to meet the curators. So this is the big, big challenge for which > we don't have an answer: how do you grow such a core ... in a certain > country? ... we're now cautious about active investment where there is not > an active community—although it's still possible if you give us a really > great idea."// > > The only outcome of such initiatives seem to be PR material like this: > > > http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/wikipedia-taps-students-for-kannada-content/article5824580.ece > > where Pavanaja quotes as follows: > > //There was a significant increase in the number of editors after 500 > students of Christ University, Bangalore, were trained in editing at a > workshop held in January this year.// > > And when you look at Kannada Wikipedia stats, the user activity has > returned to pre-education programme levels within a month > > http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaKN.htm > > So, I would like to understand why the wheel is getting reinvented again > and again with an insane budget besides documented evidence of WMF's > learning on this. > > Stop doing paid outreach. > > > > Ravi > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >
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