Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Chapter Misleading Community!
Looks like Manmohan Singh maintaining silence and Kapil Sibbal giving his best to censor media to keep image clean. *The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions.* I am also unable to find responce/clarification from EC. I can see just you and Sunil@CIS explaining scenario. Please care enough to redirect people to same? Regards, Niranjan Patel Long Live Democracy! On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: Abhishek, The chapter's response has been to ask you to stop making unsubstantiated allegations. Sunil has clarified that that the WMF sponsored A2K programme is funding travel and accommodation of some members of the Wikimedia India Executive Committee for the purpose of a training session in Bangalore organized for the benefit of the new employee(s) of CIS/A2K. This is the sole purpose of funding travel and accommodation from CIS/A2K perspective and nothing else. What the members of the WMIN board decide to do in their spare time while they are available in the same city is up to them. If they use this time to organize a face to face board meeting, all the more better, since this way they save some precious chapter funds. Your accusation that the chapter is misleading the community is a falsification. Since you have chosen to ignore my previous warning and continued to post on the same topic on this mailing list, I have put your account on moderation. If you wish to discuss this matter further, please feel free to send an email to the chapter directly. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Anirudh, Please direct me to the response/clarification from Wikimedia India Executive Committee. Only Sunil has made the whole thing clear and now its only You who is saying - It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: Abhishek, I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions. It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. I have to ask you to please refrain from sending further emails on this topic. If you ignore this warning, I will have to put your account on moderation. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter. Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is interested in misguiding mailing list and Indian community? When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote : The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they are funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind. Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary - there is strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from Chapter representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright to acknowledge links with the Chapter) On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from Secretary was- .making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list, Which part was unsubstantiated? Its the reality that this time Chapter Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes training the A2K team. (CIS has already made it clear on this mailing list) Why there is hesitation/resistance to have transparency? Also, the Chapter President gave statement on same thread - Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
* The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS,* Seriously? Chapter is having money which is collected from WMF (Donation drive.) Chapter should be 'financially accountable' to overall community. There are hopes from CIS, as they have decent background. Additionally they have received WMF Funding(Again money which comes via donations). I can see CIS employee active on other thread - It seems even CIS is least interested abt clarifications and transperency? Regards, Niranjan Patel. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: Abhishek, where are you getting these ideas from? As our Secretary stated, p lease stop speaking for us. Substantiate your claim that CIS is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, and will put up all Grants, and other details in public. Running a society in India has a thousand formalities with various Government departments. On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: I meant Board Meeting. Sorry for confusion and apologies for same. Chapter flight tickets and travel expenses are covered by CIS, Correct me if I am wrong??? -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 Feb 2013 17:25, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: It will be unfair to call it cheating, however - 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees? I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience, I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago). 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by CIS. I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on this. I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is used? This is just one example, don't take it as the only expense of chapter. Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters. Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune Regards, Dhaval (on my own behalf) Disclaimer: I have no formal tie with the chapter nor with CIS. I have no financial inrerest with either of them personally. On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer rednosedr...@hotmail.com wrote: Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave people like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think? Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a tremendous amount to you guys. Will spread the word on donations though. For others, please donate (liberally); http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 From: srik.r...@wikimedia.in To: nawabhaki...@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim, to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant to the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi. The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter. I hope this clears it out. On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim nawabhaki...@ymail.com wrote: hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes. this is cheating. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Dear Sunil, My last mail was delivered after your reply, almost at same time. Sorry for connfusion. *This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related expenses* .*It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. * Interesting coincidence(?). Regards, Niranjan Patel On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Sunil Abraham su...@mahiti.org wrote: Dear Abhishek, CIS is not supporting travel expenses for Chapter EC meetings. Nor has CIS provided funding to the Chapter so far from the Wikipedia grant. CIS has provided in-kind support to the Chapter in previous financial years for ex. society registration costs and the costs of their financial adviser during their first financial year. We strongly suppor This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us. Dear Friends, In the first week of March, we hope to release a 6-monthly report of the utilization of the grant so far. Usually we only provide an annual consolidated report for all grants at the ledger group level. But for this particular grant we will increase the degree of transparency to address concerns of the community. If you have any suggestions on how we should structure this report or if you have any further questions about how CIS is spending the grant allocated do not hesitate to ask me. Best wishes, Sunil Original Message Subject: Training of CIS-A2K team on 23 or 24 of February Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:48:42 +0530 From: Sunil Abraham su...@cis-india.org To: Wikimedia India EC wikimedia-in-e...@lists.wikimedia.org Attn: Sudhanwa Jogalekar Karthik Nadar Anirudh Singh Bhati Nikita Belavate Pranav Curumsey Srikanth Ramakrishnan Viswa Prabha Dear Members of the Wikimedia India EC, Hope 2013 has gotten of to an excellent start for all of you. CIS is organising a training for the A2K team on the 22nd, 23rd and 24th of February in Bangalore. The new Programme Director - Vishnu Vardhan will also be attending this event. We would like the EC to spend one day training the team on a variety of issues. We would prefer if you opt for either 23rd or the 24th as we have some other trainers that have confirmed for the 22nd. CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS will also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees. This idea has been discussed with Anasuya Sengupta and Jessie Wild at the Wikimedia Foundation and they have supported it. Best wishes, Sunil On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Sunil, Could you please share information about CIS supporting Chapter Travel expenses? And Its nice and positive move, Great to see CIS continues to support movement in India. Volunteers can devote their time in doing activities and CIS can support as per request. As Chapter is shy/silent about acknowledging funding from CIS - Hope so your reply will clarify that CIS is there to support Chapter activities irrespective of criticism. Keep Supporting, Keep Inspiring! :) Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so. As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the information from. The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Srikanth, I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at the same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC members (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :) P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel for Board meeting
