Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-13 Thread Bala Jeyaraman
*That's one way of looking at it. Another way would be that an editor (in this case who happened to be a student) contributed content to an article. It would (almost routinely) reviewed by other editors who coudl/would improve it or point out issues. One of the aspects that the better students

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-13 Thread Swaroop Rao
I couldn't have said it better Bala. Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch) On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 16:39, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.com wrote: *That's one way of looking at it. Another way would be that an editor (in this case who happened to be a

[Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
Hi all, If you are not aware of it yet, India Education Program Pilot died around a week back[1] and a post mortem was done on Signpost[2]. I wonder if we Indians like to only rejoice success's and keep silence when we fail. One could have acknowledged the death on this list. It didnt happen.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Gautam John
On 12 November 2011 18:10, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: If you are not aware of it yet, India Education Program Pilot died around a week back[1] and a post mortem was done on Signpost[2]. I wonder if we Indians like to only rejoice success's and keep silence when we fail.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
Our mails coincided, Srikanth, but my comments inline. hisham On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:10 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote: Hi all, If you are not aware of it yet, India Education Program Pilot died around a week back[1] and a post mortem was done on Signpost[2]. I wonder if we Indians like

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Gautam John
On 12 November 2011 18:55, Swaroop Rao raul.swar...@gmail.com wrote: It used to be easier to spot copyvios on English Wikipedia earlier, but due to some issues with Google, the bot which detected the copyvios (CorenBot) is no longer running, though I have come to understand that Jimmy and

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Gautam John wrote: Srikantha, thanks for posting this. I did not know about it till you posted it and I am sure there are many like me. It is worrying but at the same time offers us a chance to make things better for the future. Apologies, Gautam, Srikanth and

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Gautam John wrote: Fair enough. Just that at the scale the India program will run at, a technology solution might very well be a easier first step than human interventions. If we can't manage the scale (as we couldn't in this pilot), then we will reduce the

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Bala Jeyaraman
Many of us went through college recently know its not *Some*, its *Most*. Anything called assignment and graded will be copy-pasted even by the brightest 5% of students in class who would have potential to do on their own. +1. with Srikanth This is the SINGLE MOST important thing to remember for

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 18:56, Hisham hmun...@wikimedia.org wrote: That's not accurate. The dates are as follows: It was concluded in all but 1 class of Symbiosis School of Economics a few weeks ago (because the assignements were concluded.) It continues in 1 class at this college and at 1

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread wheredevelsdare
-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail Many of us went through college recently know its not *Some*, its *Most*. Anything called assignment and graded will be copy-pasted even by the brightest 5% of students

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Swaroop Rao
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 19:33, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.com wrote: Many of us went through college recently know its not *Some*, its *Most*. Anything called assignment and graded will be copy-pasted even by the brightest 5% of students in class who would have potential to do on their

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Swaroop Rao
Also, it seems that CoEP has most of the problems; I think that CoEP being an engineering college, is more rigid in its working than other science/commerce/liberal arts colleges. What we could do is branch out into other streams (other than engineering I mean); Law for example: Why not have law

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Surya Prakash
From Bala's words... //Online Ambassadors/mentors are not handholders and error correctors. I signed up to be an online ambassador. But stopped reading the IEP mails that were sent to me after i realised, that the IEP program essentially wanted to me to do the students' work. // Sure. We can

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi, It was a pilot and hence I guess was meant to die at some point. First up, to the Campus Ambassadors, you guys showed a lot of courage in taking up and then following through on your commitment of being Campus Ambassadors through the length of this Pilot. I hope the team will also speak to

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Arnav Sonara
hi, It was a pilot and hence I guess was meant to die at some point. First up, to the Campus Ambassadors, you guys showed a lot of courage in taking up and then following through on your commitment of being Campus Ambassadors through the length of this Pilot. I hope the team will also speak

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Arjun mangol
Hey all, I refuse to believe it dead as of yet. There's yet a lot of avenues that haven't been explored. My personal suggestion was that let IEP establish a Wikipedia Club in every college in Pune to begin with, that would inculcate new, interested members who have a genuine passion for the

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Bala Jeyaraman wrote: Many of us went through college recently know its not *Some*, its *Most*. Anything called assignment and graded will be copy-pasted even by the brightest 5% of students in class who would have potential to do on their own. +1. with

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 18:56, Hisham hmun...@wikimedia.org wrote: That's not accurate. The dates are as follows: It was concluded in all but 1 class of Symbiosis School of Economics a few weeks ago (because the assignements were

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:37 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Iv used turnitin during my MBA and can say that Iv seen people upload their projects there, note where the software catches them, change the language in that part and re-submit. People will go to

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Swaroop Rao wrote: Also, it seems that CoEP has most of the problems; I think that CoEP being an engineering college, is more rigid in its working than other science/commerce/liberal arts colleges. What we could do is branch out into other streams (other than

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 8:59 PM, Surya Prakash wrote: From Bala's words... //Online Ambassadors/mentors are not handholders and error correctors. I signed up to be an online ambassador. But stopped reading the IEP mails that were sent to me after i realised, that the IEP program essentially

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:39 PM, Pradeep Mohandas wrote: hi, It was a pilot and hence I guess was meant to die at some point. First up, to the Campus Ambassadors, you guys showed a lot of courage in taking up and then following through on your commitment of being Campus Ambassadors

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 11:18 PM, Arnav Sonara wrote: Thanks to all of you, yes this was a Pilot, but at no point I see it dying. Its just that we have taken a pause right now to learn from the findings and ll come back all prepared and with the help of you all we ll try to gain new

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 11:36 PM, Arjun mangol wrote: Hey all, I refuse to believe it dead as of yet. There's yet a lot of avenues that haven't been explored. My personal suggestion was that let IEP establish a Wikipedia Club in every college in Pune to begin with, that would inculcate

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 13, 2011, at 12:07 AM, Swaroop Rao wrote: That's true Arjun, there is a lot of interest in this program in many colleges, and this is going untapped. No, its not dead for sure. It was a pilot, and it didn't come out pretty; no issues, that's how we learn. I think that one thing we

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-12 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Arnav Sonara sonara.ar...@gmail.comwrote: hi, It was a pilot and hence I guess was meant to die at some point. First up, to the Campus Ambassadors, you guys showed a lot of courage in taking up and then following through on your commitment of being