Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 19
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: [..snip..] You once requested 3 rights from stewards in one week along with removal of HPN, it's not common to get so many requests that often from an almost inactive wikis. I have tried to point you to this mailing list and inform you about HPN's work on several occasions. If you would have asked me before the stewards, I would have pointed you to a written policy where by stewards don't remove crats from other wikis by other's request simply for being inactive. As for the comment, which right do you want now, that's not an uncommon way for people to joke about on IRC. [..snip..] On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Vibhi Jain vibhij...@yahoo.in wrote: [..snip..] And now the removal, I don't think that this right is not given to me, for your information, I have also made a admin policy for sa wiki. Its not that I did it to take a revenge or anything. HPN has been inactive from 2007 on sa wiki and made Mike a crat without community consensus. I also had a fight with him regarding his removal (sorry if he felt angry with me). And who say that I have placed a bid alone, just see the local team, you will also find Mayur there. [..snip..] Thanks to Salman for putting some sanity into all this. Since this is being discussed on the public list, I believe some clarifications are due. I've had Mr. Vibhi Jain bombarding me with messages on Facebook and Google Talk, seeking my 'retirement' as a sysop from Sanskrit Wikipedia. So much so that it has been nothing short of a nuisance for me during work hours for last couple of weeks. However, unlike our little enthusiastic friend seems to suggest on this email about him having a fight (goodness gracious!), there was no _fight_ involved. While I appreciate his enthusiasm, the approach has been a no-go. Mr. Vibhi Jain got in touch with me asking whether I will be active on Sanskrit Wikipedia or not. If not, he says *he has* drafted a policy which allows to de-flag a sysop on Sanskrit Wikipedia. On couple of occasions when he messaged me on Facebook and Google Chat, I tried telling him that focusing on improving the projects should be the goal rather than kicking people out. I also tried explaining him how Wikipedians do go inactive at times on some of the projects and that wouldn't mean they would never contribute back to the projects. The conversation just ended with his statements like (in his own words) the policy will be soon ready. then please do not say to me that i didn't told u. Personally, I wouldn't be bothered if my id is deflagged or not. I would just be helping out in any ways I can, either way. I would just ignore some of these, pat on his back for the rest of the good work he's been doing and move on. Having said that, I would definitely wish that there would be more sanity injected into all this though, and guiding new contributors in the right direction like Salman has done would always help. -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net | http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 19
Vibhi, I seriously and personally suggest you get in touch with Hari. In Oct, 2009, Hari had presented a case study on the Kannada wikipedia. Follow it closely, take guidance from HPN sirjee, and you can do wonders for the community. Cheers, and regards. Sent from my Motorola L9. Please excuse spelling errors. On Jun 6, 2011 12:51 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: [..snip..] You once requested 3 rights from stewards in one week along with removal of HPN, it's not co... [..snip..] On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Vibhi Jain vibhij...@yahoo.in wrote: [..snip..] And now the removal, I don't think that this right is not given to me, for your information,... [..snip..] Thanks to Salman for putting some sanity into all this. Since this is being discussed on the public list, I believe some clarifications are due. I've had Mr. Vibhi Jain bombarding me with messages on Facebook and Google Talk, seeking my 'retirement' as a sysop from Sanskrit Wikipedia. So much so that it has been nothing short of a nuisance for me during work hours for last couple of weeks. However, unlike our little enthusiastic friend seems to suggest on this email about him having a fight (goodness gracious!), there was no _fight_ involved. While I appreciate his enthusiasm, the approach has been a no-go. Mr. Vibhi Jain got in touch with me asking whether I will be active on Sanskrit Wikipedia or not. If not, he says *he has* drafted a policy which allows to de-flag a sysop on Sanskrit Wikipedia. On couple of occasions when he messaged me on Facebook and Google Chat, I tried telling him that focusing on improving the projects should be the goal rather than kicking people out. I also tried explaining him how Wikipedians do go inactive at times on some of the projects and that wouldn't mean they would never contribute back to the projects. The conversation just ended with his statements like (in his own words) the policy will be soon ready. then please do not say to me that i didn't told u. Personally, I wouldn't be bothered if my id is deflagged or not. I would just be helping out in any ways I can, either way. I would just ignore some of these, pat on his back for the rest of the good work he's been doing and move on. Having said that, I would definitely wish that there would be more sanity injected into all this though, and guiding new contributors in the right direction like Salman has done would always help. -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net | http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 19
Bro, just chill. I think you are going a little overboard on this matter. It's not about Personal contributions OR joining date. In case you didn't know, I've been here since 2005, and Arun from 2004, however most of the prominent members of the community, like Manish, Tinu, Subha have all joined post 2006. Take this as advice from a retired editor, and NON member of the chapter. All languages WILL and SHALL get equal priority. But, if the community isn't active in contributing, then there is NO point in having a separate chapter. At this point in time, I think you Delhiites need to organise your contributions, have a feedback system or reporting system as to what you guys did to collaborate further, have monthly meetups, etc. I am against these local split chapter ideas, but if you persist, I may very well change my mind and rally for a Wester chapter for Marathi and Konkani. Don't make me act stupid. Regards, Srikanth. On 5 June 2011 22:35, Vibhi Jain vibhij...@yahoo.in wrote: Well as it comes to age, i do not think that its a barrier here. As it comes to sysop rights, i am the largest contributor to sa wiki and to pi wiki, where I am a sysop. Well for your information, I have been engaged in contacting organizations for collaborations with pi wiki. Then it comes to bot rights, it is just my AWB account so I can add stub template to pali wikipedia articles. And as it comes to oversight, what are you talking about. I know that oversight are for those who are above 18. And now the removal, I don't think that this right is not given to me, for your information, I have also made a admin policy for sa wiki. Its not that I did it to take a revenge or anything. HPN has been inactive from 2007 on sa wiki and made Mike a crat without community consensus. I also had a fight with him regarding his removal (sorry if he felt angry with me). And who say that I have placed a bid alone, just see the local team, you will also find Mayur there. And its a unofficial bid, who am I to place a bid, its just unofficial bid my friend. Well I don't understand why do you always classify users by seeing their joining date, not their contributions. I also wanted to have a workshop and a meetup before placing a request, and I have been in discussion about that with Mayur, but we need to know are people really interested in this so we can decide whether to raise this issue. Well I don't want to have a fight here, I already had some. Sorry If I did some wrong, But Theo, why do you always disturb me, you also said ''Which right do you want now'' on IRC when I was just having a talk with a user regarding removal of sysop rights. Well If you have any problem, tell it freely to me. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, ME. Wear a Lungi, Support the Movement My infrastructure invasion... plus other images too.. on Wikimedia Commons. http://bit.ly/d50SIq ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 19
Hi I'm sorry you feel that way about me. Please understand that I value your contributions and this is nothing personal, but I have also been trying to talk sense into you for over a month now, on IRC and on-wiki. I said I really liked your enthusiasm but you need to learn first how things work. Most people on this list have been editing for years. I don't know of anyone in my experience, who has requested the number of rights you have in the extremely short amount of time as you have. Admin rights on a content-wiki take at least an year, several years in come cases. I have only wanted to help you to, learn first how things work before you create problems for others. I have informed you earlier that I am from and in Delhi, and I organized the last 3 meetups. I went looking for enthusiastic wikipedians like you for weeks on en wiki last year. So, I would consider myself a stake-holder in the Delhi-community and its actions. I have not met you, or for that matter even Mayur. Because of that and the work on Meta, I'm asked repeatedly about your proposals and rights by others. I did not butt in to your conversation on IRC about removal of HPN but was asked by someone else on another channel. Please understand, it is also frustrating for me to check up on everything. You once requested 3 rights from stewards in one week along with removal of HPN, it's not common to get so many requests that often from an almost inactive wikis. I have tried to point you to this mailing list and inform you about HPN's work on several occasions. If you would have asked me before the stewards, I would have pointed you to a written policy where by stewards don't remove crats from other wikis by other's request simply for being inactive. As for the comment, which right do you want now, that's not an uncommon way for people to joke about on IRC. As for the bid, you age and experience do come into the situation again. It takes a team of active organizers an year to plan and organize a conference like WIkimania. I am well aware of the bidding process, adding an 'unofficial' bid by a single person hampers other genuine organizers like Mumbai. I have informed you of this several times. Again, I am not bringing up your age to dismiss you but by Indian laws, you legally can not start a chapter yourself. I would suggest you organize a student-club in your school first and learn how things work. Regards Theo10011 On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Vibhi Jain vibhij...@yahoo.in wrote: Well as it comes to age, i do not think that its a barrier here. As it comes to sysop rights, i am the largest contributor to sa wiki and to pi wiki, where I am a sysop. Well for your information, I have been engaged in contacting organizations for collaborations with pi wiki. Then it comes to bot rights, it is just my AWB account so I can add stub template to pali wikipedia articles. And as it comes to oversight, what are you talking about. I know that oversight are for those who are above 18. And now the removal, I don't think that this right is not given to me, for your information, I have also made a admin policy for sa wiki. Its not that I did it to take a revenge or anything. HPN has been inactive from 2007 on sa wiki and made Mike a crat without community consensus. I also had a fight with him regarding his removal (sorry if he felt angry with me). And who say that I have placed a bid alone, just see the local team, you will also find Mayur there. And its a unofficial bid, who am I to place a bid, its just unofficial bid my friend. Well I don't understand why do you always classify users by seeing their joining date, not their contributions. I also wanted to have a workshop and a meetup before placing a request, and I have been in discussion about that with Mayur, but we need to know are people really interested in this so we can decide whether to raise this issue. Well I don't want to have a fight here, I already had some. Sorry If I did some wrong, But Theo, why do you always disturb me, you also said ''Which right do you want now'' on IRC when I was just having a talk with a user regarding removal of sysop rights. Well If you have any problem, tell it freely to me. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 19
Vibhi, I suggest you take it cool. I appreciate your enthusiasm in Sa and especially Pi wikipedias; No one is belittling your contributions. First: there was, and is (as of now) approved admin/crat policy on sa wikipedia, and you cannot quote policies which do not exist. Also, I don't think you know what oversight rights are. I do not mean or intend to undermine your contributions or enthusiasm, but I think we'd all appreciate it if you could keep personal comments offlist. Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 22:35, Vibhi Jain vibhij...@yahoo.in wrote: Well as it comes to age, i do not think that its a barrier here. As it comes to sysop rights, i am the largest contributor to sa wiki and to pi wiki, where I am a sysop. Well for your information, I have been engaged in contacting organizations for collaborations with pi wiki. Then it comes to bot rights, it is just my AWB account so I can add stub template to pali wikipedia articles. And as it comes to oversight, what are you talking about. I know that oversight are for those who are above 18. And now the removal, I don't think that this right is not given to me, for your information, I have also made a admin policy for sa wiki. Its not that I did it to take a revenge or anything. HPN has been inactive from 2007 on sa wiki and made Mike a crat without community consensus. I also had a fight with him regarding his removal (sorry if he felt angry with me). And who say that I have placed a bid alone, just see the local team, you will also find Mayur there. And its a unofficial bid, who am I to place a bid, its just unofficial bid my friend. Well I don't understand why do you always classify users by seeing their joining date, not their contributions. I also wanted to have a workshop and a meetup before placing a request, and I have been in discussion about that with Mayur, but we need to know are people really interested in this so we can decide whether to raise this issue. Well I don't want to have a fight here, I already had some. Sorry If I did some wrong, But Theo, why do you always disturb me, you also said ''Which right do you want now'' on IRC when I was just having a talk with a user regarding removal of sysop rights. Well If you have any problem, tell it freely to me. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
