Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

Wait, what? Until 2014 the Mail was including material that was solely sourced to Wikipedia?? Seriously??? On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Gordon Joly wrote: > > > > ** > A spokesman for Mail Newspapers said: “It is hard to know whether to >

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

The irony is that the Mail fails to understand that they are in line with Wikipedia's own policy, which states that it does not use other Wikipedia pages as a source: ‘Wikipedia articles (and Wikipedia mirrors) are not reliable sources for any purpose (except as sources on themselves per

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

Interesting question from Chris. On 9 February 2017 at 15:57, Chris Keating wrote: > Which leaves the question of "why blacklist the Daily Mail not even worse > sources?" If anyone can suggest an answer to that which would keep a journo > happy I'd be interested to

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

For those who want some background, this is the RFC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Daily_Mail_RfC and this is also relevant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Daily_Mail_RfC bccing someone who might not be on this list

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

Indeed...surely that's enough to persuade you?! On 9 February 2017 at 16:16, Andy Mabbett wrote: > On 9 February 2017 at 15:59, Lucy Crompton-Reid > wrote: > > > I've just had a chat with the nice man from Newsnight and he's still

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

On 9 February 2017 at 15:59, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote: > I've just had a chat with the nice man from Newsnight and he's still really > keen to set up an interview between the lovely Evan Davis The same Evan Davis who kindly supplied a recoding of his voice

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

The answer is "well yes, a lot of those are under the same consideration, sources that are even worse tend not to be disputed as to being obviously not good." On 9 February 2017 at 15:57, Chris Keating wrote: > And NB that none of the 12,000 links to the Mail from

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

Presumably they want someone who can be in London? or could this be done remotely? rod On 09.02.2017 15:59, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote: > Hi all > Just to say that I've just had a chat with the nice man from Newsnight and he's still really keen to set up an interview between the lovely

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

Hi all Just to say that I've just had a chat with the nice man from Newsnight and he's still really keen to set up an interview between the lovely Evan Davis and an editor, who can talk about the way in which these decisions are made. I'm making a few direct phone calls but if this is something

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

And NB that none of the 12,000 links to the Mail from Wikipedia have been removed yet by the "ban", and they will be reviewed and possibly replaced one-by-one, just like we review every other contribution. (If the "ban" in fact remains in force - I have a suspicion the RfC won't be the last

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

compare - * not right-wing-ness - e.g. the Times and Telegraph are both serious papers that lean right * in fact - The Sun is not OK and the Times is, even though same politics and same publisher, because one's a tabloid and one's a serious paper * memorise the long lists of egregious falsehoods

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

That is literally what the task is, yes :-) On 9 February 2017 at 15:41, Chris Keating wrote: > Hmmm, trying to turn an interview from "zomg! Wikipedia bans the Mail!" > round to "actually this is all normal and we have some really interesting > community

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

Hmmm, trying to turn an interview from "zomg! Wikipedia bans the Mail!" round to "actually this is all normal and we have some really interesting community preferences" sounds tricky. ;) On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:51 PM, David Gerard wrote: > Usual line is "editorial

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

Usual line is "editorial decision, I'll forward your details to some editors" then email here ;-D so er, editors? On 9 February 2017 at 13:45, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote: > Hi all > > Thanks very much for flagging this David. I think it would be great if >

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

Hi all Thanks very much for flagging this David. I think it would be great if someone could talk about this from an editor's perspective - in particular the process of consensus building within the Wikipedia community, as it's clear many people working in the media don't understand this. If

[Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

BBC Newsnight want a Wikipedia editor who can talk about this, for tonight. I can't, can anyone else? Email me and I'll forward you the email. - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org