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Just FYI, the mobile version of our site doesn't work :-(

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 The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and
 during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly
 discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a
 Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He
 continues to have the full support of the Board.


Just to be clear; is the board here *admitting *knowledge of Fae's
problematic behaviour prior to the election?

Why was this not investigated or mentioned at that point?

What about the problematic editing history post-election which is what
ultimately led to the Arbcom case?

Did the board, as I suggested, consider looking into the copyright
allegations - which are clearly of great pertinence to e.g. GLAM  WMUK.

Did the board discuss, and adopt a stance, in relation to how Fae would be
able to function when in situations where people were editing Wikipedia
(i.e. obviously he cannot participate or assist anyone in doing so).

Unfortunately, although I admire the support you have shown him, I can't
help feeling that there is more of a knee jerk gathering of the caravans
here, rather than the full, frank independent investigation I suggested.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

2012-07-27 Thread Charles Matthews

On 27 July 2012 08:23, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:
 The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and
 during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly
 discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a
 Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He continues
 to have the full support of the Board.


 Just to be clear; is the board here admitting knowledge of Fae's problematic
 behaviour prior to the election?

 Why was this not investigated or mentioned at that point?

 What about the problematic editing history post-election which is what
 ultimately led to the Arbcom case?

 Did the board, as I suggested, consider looking into the copyright
 allegations - which are clearly of great pertinence to e.g. GLAM  WMUK.

 Did the board discuss, and adopt a stance, in relation to how Fae would be
 able to function when in situations where people were editing Wikipedia
 (i.e. obviously he cannot participate or assist anyone in doing so).

 Unfortunately, although I admire the support you have shown him, I can't
 help feeling that there is more of a knee jerk gathering of the caravans
 here, rather than the full, frank independent investigation I suggested.

OK, you can properly pursue this matter here, or offline with Board
members, or in conjunction with the next Board elections and AGM, and
so on. But I suggest you assume good faith in so doing.

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Thanks Mike.

Could I suggest that an email is also sent to all members on the 
Wikimedia UK membership database?


Gordo


On 26/07/12 23:02, Michael Peel wrote:

Hi all,

I'm sending this statement on behalf of the WMUK Board:

--

As some members of Wikimedia UK will know, our Chair, Ashley Van Haeften, user 
name Fae, has been the subject of sanctions by the Arbitration Committee of the 
English Wikipedia (Arbcom), the volunteer committee that exists to provide 
binding remedies to Wikipedia disputes. In particular, he has been banned from 
editing the English language Wikipedia for at least the next six months, after 
which he can appeal the ban.

The Board of Wikimedia UK notes the decision of Arbcom.

The Board is united in the view that this decision does not affect his role as 
a Trustee of the charity. His work at Wikimedia UK has always been enthusiastic 
and diligent. In particular, his knowledge of charity governance, and his 
ability to bring about consensus at WMUK's board meetings, have been 
particularly valuable.

The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and 
during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly 
discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a 
Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He continues to 
have the full support of the Board.

--

Thanks,
Mike Peel
Secretary, Wikimedia UK

Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate 
Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent charitable 
organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its 
contents.

Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company 
Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

We're waiting on a reply from the WMF,  as it's their list, not the
chapters. We asked them to delete a couple of posts before everything goes
fully open. No response from them yet, but once the WMF deletes those
posts, we can move forward :-)

Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK
On Jul 27, 2012 5:08 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On 27 July 2012 01:21, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
  It isn't public.  The software considers it private.  Emails to the
  list can be claimed to have been sent under the assumption that it
  isn't going to be published on the web.
 
  Who cares what the software thinks? Anyone can subscribe and get
  instant access. It's public
 
  This was previously discussed in thread List archives from March 29
  to April 11
 
  I suggest you take a look at who started that thread...

 I'm more interested in why, three and a half months later, the list is
 still private?

 And when this will be rectified?

 Andrew Turvey quit as list admin on 31 May, according to thread
 'Listadmin wanted for wikimediauk-l', making the list admins David
 Gerard, James Forrester, Mike Peel and Richard Symonds.

 thehelpfulone replaced Andrew Turvey as list admin.

 Between 31 May and today, Mike Peel has also stopped being a list admin.

 The list admins are currently James Forrester, David Gerard, Richard
 Symonds and thehelpfulonewiki.  At least one of them hold a full time
 position to tackle tasks that benefit the UK chapter, and I think that
 fixing the private status of this list should be considered one of
 them.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

2012-07-27 Thread HJ Mitchell

Tom, you know I respect your opinion, but I think you're trying to read more 
into the board's statement than is there and you're misinterpreting it in a way 
that supports your view.

The issues surrounding Fae on enwiki were well known at the time of the AGM, 
and the membership re-elected Fae by a healthy margin. It is disingenuous to 
pretend that the issues were significantly less mature at the AGM than they 
were days later when the arbitration case in question (the second on the issue 
- of which the first was declined) was filed.

It is not within the remit of the board to investigate half-baked allegations 
of on-wiki misconduct, especially when nobody making the allegations appears 
(and do correct me if I've missed something) to have substantiated them with 
conclusive evidence. Nor is it within its remit to determine what sort of 
editing instruction Fae can undertake. He can ask for help if he's running an 
event that requires editing, and if the line between training and proxying for 
a banned user, he can seek clarification from ArbCom or the community.
 

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 From: Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012, 8:23
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van 
Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK
 

The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and 
during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly 
discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a 
Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He continues to 
have the full support of the Board.



Just to be clear; is the board here admitting knowledge of Fae's problematic 
behaviour prior to the election?

Why was this not investigated or mentioned at that point?

What about the problematic editing history post-election which is what 
ultimately led to the Arbcom case?

Did the board, as I suggested, consider looking into the copyright allegations 
- which are clearly of great pertinence to e.g. GLAM  WMUK.

Did the board discuss, and adopt a stance, in relation to how Fae would be able 
to function when in situations where people were editing Wikipedia (i.e. 
obviously he cannot participate or assist anyone in doing so).

Unfortunately, although I admire the support you have shown him, I can't help 
feeling that there is more of a knee jerk gathering of the caravans here, 
rather than the full, frank independent investigation I suggested.

Tom
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

2012-07-27 Thread Deryck Chan

I think Jon Davies has done so already.

On 27/07/2012, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

 Thanks Mike.

 Could I suggest that an email is also sent to all members on the
 Wikimedia UK membership database?

 Gordo


 On 26/07/12 23:02, Michael Peel wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm sending this statement on behalf of the WMUK Board:

 --

 As some members of Wikimedia UK will know, our Chair, Ashley Van Haeften,
 user name Fae, has been the subject of sanctions by the Arbitration
 Committee of the English Wikipedia (Arbcom), the volunteer committee that
 exists to provide binding remedies to Wikipedia disputes. In particular,
 he has been banned from editing the English language Wikipedia for at
 least the next six months, after which he can appeal the ban.

 The Board of Wikimedia UK notes the decision of Arbcom.

 The Board is united in the view that this decision does not affect his
 role as a Trustee of the charity. His work at Wikimedia UK has always been
 enthusiastic and diligent. In particular, his knowledge of charity
 governance, and his ability to bring about consensus at WMUK's board
 meetings, have been particularly valuable.

 The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and
 during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly
 discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a
 Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He
 continues to have the full support of the Board.

 --

 Thanks,
 Mike Peel
 Secretary, Wikimedia UK

 Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate
 Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent charitable
 organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for
 its contents.

 Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a
 Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered
 No. 6741827. Registered Charity No. 1144513. The Registered Office is at
 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

2012-07-27 Thread Katie Chan


On 27/07/2012 12:04, Deryck Chan wrote:

I think Jon Davies has done so already.



I'm not sure whether that was an email to all members of Wikimedia UK, 
or just those who have commented publicly and or privately on the matter.


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[Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

2012-07-27 Thread Daria Cybulska

Dear All,

I am planning on ordering Wikimedia UK branded lanyards, polo shirts and
notepads to be used at events. If you would like to send across any ideas
concerning the design of these, then please do send them here - ideally by
3 August.

Polo shirts:
- These would be stitched on, so the smaller design the better. I have seen
a couple of chapters having the polo shirts with just the Wikimedia... logo
in the upper left corner, and that looked quite professional.

As for the lanyard:
- 4 colour print on one side
- Another option would be to only use one colour, which is much cheaper

As for the notebook, a cost effective way would be to have:
- A5 Wirebound Book with 350gsm Card Cover
- Cover  printed 4 colour (allowing for Wikimedia UK logo)
-  50 insert sheets printed 1 colour both sides

The bigger quantity I order,  the cheaper the items get, so it is best if
the merchandise designed is of general character and not geared towards a
specific event.

I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts. You can also jot them down
herehttp://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/2012_Activity_Plan/Outreach_merchandise_%26_publications


Many thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

It was just to those who have commented on the matter, publicly or
privately. It went to both members and non-members, because some people who
are commenting aren't actually WMUK members - so an email to the membership
list would exclude them :-)

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On 27 July 2012 12:13, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote:

 On 27/07/2012 12:04, Deryck Chan wrote:

 I think Jon Davies has done so already.


 I'm not sure whether that was an email to all members of Wikimedia UK, or
 just those who have commented publicly and or privately on the matter.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

2012-07-27 Thread Jon Davies

Feel free to circulate. The key issues for me are openness and transparency
plus timeliness.

Do I need to put 'margerine' in the title to get people interested?

On 27 July 2012 12:21, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

It was just to those who have commented on the matter, publicly or
privately. It went to both members and non-members, because some people who
are commenting aren't actually WMUK members - so an email to the membership
list would exclude them :-)

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On 27 July 2012 12:13, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote:

On 27/07/2012 12:04, Deryck Chan wrote:

I think Jon Davies has done so already.

I'm not sure whether that was an email to all members of Wikimedia UK, or
just those who have commented publicly and or privately on the matter.

KTC

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Have just taken it to the general chapters list :-)

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On 27 July 2012 12:14, Richard Symonds chasemew...@gmail.com wrote:

 I spotted that the other day... it redirects to uk.m.wikimedia.org...

 I'll drop an email to the other chapters and see if anyone else is having
 similar problems, then we can approach the WMF together.


 On 27 July 2012 08:05, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Just FYI, the mobile version of our site doesn't work :-(

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

2012-07-27 Thread Inspirator . no


http://www.copytrader.net



On Thu Jul 26 17:14 , geni sent:


On 26 July 2012 21:48, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 On 26 July 2012 15:39, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:

 Fae is banned from wikipedia.

 No he isn't.


“Fæ is indefinitely banned from the English Language
Wikipedia. He may request reconsideration of the ban six months after
the enactment of this remedy, and every six months thereafter.”

If you are going to quibble over my missing the word "english" when we
all know which wikipedia I'm referring to could you at least have the
decency to use Wesh or your preferred version of Gaelic.

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2012-07-27 Thread Fiona Hunt-Taylor

Hi there - I'm sorry, but I must very reluctantly unsubscribe, since I am 
simply being overwhelmed with all the emails . .  

Kind regards,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

2012-07-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Charles Matthews 
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:

 The point really is who actually cares about ArbCom decisions


I am really surprised to see a former member of ArbCom say this. Everybody
on this list cares about ArbCom decisions, most of the time, and so does
the entire body of administrators in the English Wikipedia. For the record,
ArbCom members derive their authority from 300 to 600 supporters' votes.
Wikimedia UK board members, from 40 or 50.

ArbCom had a number of reasons for their decision to ban Fae. These
included that he operated about a dozen different accounts, refused to
disclose all of them to ArbCom, and had in their view attempted to deceive
both the Wikipedia community and ArbCom itself.

Fae used commercial porn sites as biographical sources in Wikipedia. In one
case in June last year, he linked directly to a video clip showing the
biography subject, a black woman author, having sex (these were scenes from
a video she had tried to suppress), and vigorously defended that BLP
sourcing. He has since apologised for this error in judgment, but this must
be seen against the backdrop that it was Fae who, only a few weeks later,
told Parliament and the Charity Commission that the English Wikipedia had
an effective BLP policy, which was being effectively maintained by the
site's administrators, such as himself.

Refusing to acknowledge any problem, and beating up on ArbCom instead,
really is the least well advised strategy to deal with this situation.
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Yes, I have seen that email (as a current member).

Gordo

On 27/07/12 12:04, Deryck Chan wrote:

I think Jon Davies has done so already.

On 27/07/2012, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

Thanks Mike.

Could I suggest that an email is also sent to all members on the
Wikimedia UK membership database?

Gordo


On 26/07/12 23:02, Michael Peel wrote:

Hi all,

I'm sending this statement on behalf of the WMUK Board:

--

As some members of Wikimedia UK will know, our Chair, Ashley Van Haeften,
user name Fae, has been the subject of sanctions by the Arbitration
Committee of the English Wikipedia (Arbcom), the volunteer committee that
exists to provide binding remedies to Wikipedia disputes. In particular,
he has been banned from editing the English language Wikipedia for at
least the next six months, after which he can appeal the ban.

The Board of Wikimedia UK notes the decision of Arbcom.

The Board is united in the view that this decision does not affect his
role as a Trustee of the charity. His work at Wikimedia UK has always been
enthusiastic and diligent. In particular, his knowledge of charity
governance, and his ability to bring about consensus at WMUK's board
meetings, have been particularly valuable.

The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and
during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly
discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a
Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He
continues to have the full support of the Board.

--

Thanks,
Mike Peel
Secretary, Wikimedia UK

Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate
Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent charitable
organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for
its contents.

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Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

2012-07-27 Thread HJ Mitchell

Without wishing to prompt an influx of comments about visual identity etc, I 
think we should be wary of promoting the chapter (not just with merchandise) 
over the projects which the chapter exists to support.

Wikipedia is a much more recognisable brand and the largest and most successful 
project WMUK supports and thus (imo) makes for the most desirable and 
attention-grabbing merchandise.
 
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To: off...@wikimedia.org.uk; UK Wikimedia mailing list 
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Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012, 12:15
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise
 

Dear All, 

I am planning on ordering Wikimedia UK branded lanyards, polo shirts and 
notepads to be used at events. If you would like to send across any ideas 
concerning the design of these, then please do send them here - ideally by 3 
August. 

Polo shirts:
- These would be stitched on, so the smaller design the better. I have seen a 
couple of chapters having the polo shirts with just the Wikimedia... logo in 
the upper left corner, and that looked quite professional. 

As for the lanyard:
- 4 colour print on one side
- Another option would be to only use one colour, which is much cheaper

As for the notebook, a cost effective way would be to have:
- A5 Wirebound Book with 350gsm Card Cover
- Cover  printed 4 colour (allowing for Wikimedia UK logo)
-  50 insert sheets printed 1 colour both sides

The bigger quantity I order,  the cheaper the items get, so it is best if the 
merchandise designed is of general character and not geared towards a specific 
event. 


I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts. You can also jot them down here 

Many thanks, 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

2012-07-27 Thread Stevie Benton

Hello all,

I hope my comment doesn't count as an influx ;-)

I think it's sensible to have co-branding where possible. We do need to
promote ourselves as a chapter as much as the projects, in some ways.

The mugs that David mentioned (we still have some left if anyone would like
one!) are a really good example of this.

Thanks,

Stevie

On 27 July 2012 13:59, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 27 July 2012 13:57, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

  Without wishing to prompt an influx of comments about visual identity
 etc, I
  think we should be wary of promoting the chapter (not just with
 merchandise)
  over the projects which the chapter exists to support.
  Wikipedia is a much more recognisable brand and the largest and most
  successful project WMUK supports and thus (imo) makes for the most
 desirable
  and attention-grabbing merchandise.


 We should consider that this isn't merchandise for sale, but giveaway
 swag - chapters can't sell merchandise (yet), just give it away. (Go
 visit WMUK and get away without a coffee mug.)


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

2012-07-27 Thread Charles Matthews

On 27 July 2012 12:54, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Charles Matthews
 charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:

 The point really is who actually cares about ArbCom decisions


 I am really surprised to see a former member of ArbCom say this.

Perhaps you would be less surprised if you had been on ArbCom. Part of
the job is to have some perspective on matters about which quite small
numbers of people care passionately. I mean in an operational sense:
most disputes involve the actions of less than 10 people.

 Everybody
 on this list cares about ArbCom decisions, most of the time, and so does the
 entire body of administrators in the English Wikipedia. For the record,
 ArbCom members derive their authority from 300 to 600 supporters' votes.
 Wikimedia UK board members, from 40 or 50.

600 is less than the number of active administrators, though. But
let's not argue about numbers. I have given some context for my remark
now, which you could have.

 ArbCom had a number of reasons for their decision to ban Fae.

It would be more accurate to say that there were a number of reasons
to propose sanctions. I'm not sure that the _banning_ was for those
reasons, though. A complex case.

snip

 Refusing to acknowledge any problem, and beating up on ArbCom instead,
 really is the least well advised strategy to deal with this situation.

I have certainly not been attacking ArbCom as an institution. I have a
long-term problem with the workshop, which I have never liked, but
otherwise I think ArbCom in general does pretty well.

I sometimes disagree with Arbitration decisions; when I was asked
about this particular pending decision by a Board member, I said that
ArbCom is fallible, but it tends to know more about the case than we
do (i.e. not all the information they have is always public, or fit to
be made public).

I in fact met three arbs for the first time at Wikimania, with two of
whom I had worked. I talked also with Risker, who came onto the
committee after me. I am not attacking any of these people, please let
me say. There is a half-told story about the Fae case and Wikimania
and the ban, clearly, but I am also not going to try to tell that
story either.

I am not going to say let's move on, because the topic of the thread
is a legitimate one for members of the chapter to discuss. I am not
myself a WMUK member, and I have things to do now, as do the Board and
Fae. I have my own views on framing the issue, which have to some
extent appeared in this thread. Please everyone respect AGF in any
further contributions, and minimise personalia.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

2012-07-27 Thread HJ Mitchell

A reputation for the chapter is only a means to an end, and that end should be 
to promote and support the widest possible public access to, use of and 
contribution to Open Content of an encyclopaedic or educational nature or of 
similar utility to the general public, in particular the Open Content supported 
and provided by Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. but in the majority of 
circumstances I really don't think it matters if people have never heard of 
WMUK, because we  can fulfil our charitable objectives without the chapter 
being well known in its own right.
 
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 From: Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk
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Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise
 

Hello all,

I hope my comment doesn't count as an influx ;-)

I think it's sensible to have co-branding where possible. We do need to promote 
ourselves as a chapter as much as the projects, in some ways. 

The mugs that David mentioned (we still have some left if anyone would like 
one!) are a really good example of this.

Thanks,

Stevie


On 27 July 2012 13:59, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

On 27 July 2012 13:57, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

 Without wishing to prompt an influx of comments about visual identity etc, I
 think we should be wary of promoting the chapter (not just with merchandise)
 over the projects which the chapter exists to support.
 Wikipedia is a much more recognisable brand and the largest and most
 successful project WMUK supports and thus (imo) makes for the most desirable
 and attention-grabbing merchandise.


We should consider that this isn't merchandise for sale, but giveaway
swag - chapters can't sell merchandise (yet), just give it away. (Go
visit WMUK and get away without a coffee mug.)


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

2012-07-27 Thread Deryck Chan

On 27 July 2012 13:59, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 27 July 2012 13:57, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

  Without wishing to prompt an influx of comments about visual identity
 etc, I
  think we should be wary of promoting the chapter (not just with
 merchandise)
  over the projects which the chapter exists to support.
  Wikipedia is a much more recognisable brand and the largest and most
  successful project WMUK supports and thus (imo) makes for the most
 desirable
  and attention-grabbing merchandise.


 We should consider that this isn't merchandise for sale, but giveaway
 swag - chapters can't sell merchandise (yet), just give it away. (Go
 visit WMUK and get away without a coffee mug.)


Wait - no one told me I was entitled to a mug when I visited!
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair


 I am not going to say let's move on, because the topic of the thread
 is a legitimate one for members of the chapter to discuss. I am not
 myself a WMUK member, and I have things to do now, as do the Board and
 Fae. I have my own views on framing the issue, which have to some
 extent appeared in this thread. Please everyone respect AGF in any
 further contributions, and minimise personalia.


Ok, fair enough - to frame it somewhat differently.

I'm aware that as a party who was subjected to Fae's behaviour on-wiki by
views are somewhat coloured - but I don't see such a lack of substance in
the allegations. And certainly the copyright issue is pertinent to the
chapter activities; enough to make an internal investigation to clear (or
otherwise) his name important.

With regards to this statement; my concern stems from the fact that the
statement does not make any notes about the extent to which the board has
examined the matter. It simply says that they have noted the case and the
ban, and are happy for  Fae's continued membership/directorship.

They have not:

a) Addressed any of the specific concerns raised by members on this list
(which seems entirely relevant)

b) Made any attempt to suggest they have examined the case and allegations
and found them insubstantial enough for action. e.g. We have spoken with
the relevant parties and are happy that nothing has occured that makes
Fae's position untenable

(I'm not expressing this well; but the point I am making is the statement
sounds cursory)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

On 27 July 2012 14:14, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

 A reputation for the chapter is only a means to an end, and that end
 should be to promote and support the widest possible public access to,
 use of and contribution to Open Content of an encyclopaedic or educational
 nature or of similar utility to the general public, in particular the Open
 Content supported and provided by Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. but in the
 majority of circumstances I really don't think it matters if people have
 never heard of WMUK, because we  can fulfil our charitable objectives
 without the chapter being well known in its own right.
 niser


Mostly I agree with Harry here. There should be things like T-Shirts,
Lanyards and so forth saying Wikimedia UK for volunteers to wear/use.

Anything to be handed out as swag etc. should be branded with the project
names/logos (Wikipedia, Commons, etc.)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

2012-07-27 Thread Jon Davies

It is absolutely vital to remember, for reasons that are global and legal,
that the Chapter does not have a purview over individual's on-wiki
behaviour.
The board has accepted the Arbcom judgement - it is their business.

I could write up pages of the discussion from last night but we would risk
turning away even more people from these lists and honestly would it really
help?

Finally even though we jealously protect this split between WMUK activities
and individual's on-wiki behaviour, the trustees spent a considerable
amount of time over the last two weeks getting to grip with the details of
the arbcom case.



On 27 July 2012 14:26, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I am not going to say let's move on, because the topic of the thread
 is a legitimate one for members of the chapter to discuss. I am not
 myself a WMUK member, and I have things to do now, as do the Board and
 Fae. I have my own views on framing the issue, which have to some
 extent appeared in this thread. Please everyone respect AGF in any
 further contributions, and minimise personalia.


 Ok, fair enough - to frame it somewhat differently.

 I'm aware that as a party who was subjected to Fae's behaviour on-wiki by
 views are somewhat coloured - but I don't see such a lack of substance in
 the allegations. And certainly the copyright issue is pertinent to the
 chapter activities; enough to make an internal investigation to clear (or
 otherwise) his name important.

 With regards to this statement; my concern stems from the fact that the
 statement does not make any notes about the extent to which the board has
 examined the matter. It simply says that they have noted the case and the
 ban, and are happy for  Fae's continued membership/directorship.

 They have not:

 a) Addressed any of the specific concerns raised by members on this list
 (which seems entirely relevant)

 b) Made any attempt to suggest they have examined the case and allegations
 and found them insubstantial enough for action. e.g. We have spoken with
 the relevant parties and are happy that nothing has occured that makes
 Fae's position untenable

 (I'm not expressing this well; but the point I am making is the statement
 sounds cursory)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

I think you visited in the pre-mug era... but I know there's at least one
mug in Hong Kong somewhere!

Harry raises a good point, but there is an issue here that we need to be
promoting ourselves within the movement to some degree. We need to be seen
as a successful chapter, and a chapter which others want to emulate. Over
the past few weeks - thanks in no small part to Monmouth and the other GLAM
events - we've achieved that. The reception of WMUK at Wikimania was very,
very good - even from the arbitrators I went out drinking with.

We also need to make sure that when Wikimedia UK does something fantastic,
people actually attribute it to Wikimedia UK, and not the Wikimedia
Foundation. Merchandise is only a very small part of that, but if UK
volunteers do something fantastic, it should be UK volunteers that get the
credit. Having a low public profile for WMUK means that that is less likely
to happen.

Tom and Harry are broadly right though, I think - 'swag for the public'
should be largely project-branded, and 'swag for volunteers to use',
 should be more Wikimedia-UK branded. Does that make sense?

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On 27 July 2012 14:25, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:



 On 27 July 2012 13:59, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 27 July 2012 13:57, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

  Without wishing to prompt an influx of comments about visual identity
 etc, I
  think we should be wary of promoting the chapter (not just with
 merchandise)
  over the projects which the chapter exists to support.
  Wikipedia is a much more recognisable brand and the largest and most
  successful project WMUK supports and thus (imo) makes for the most
 desirable
  and attention-grabbing merchandise.


 We should consider that this isn't merchandise for sale, but giveaway
 swag - chapters can't sell merchandise (yet), just give it away. (Go
 visit WMUK and get away without a coffee mug.)


 Wait - no one told me I was entitled to a mug when I visited!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

2012-07-27 Thread Casey Brown

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Richard Symonds
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 We're waiting on a reply from the WMF,  as it's their list, not the
 chapters. We asked them to delete a couple of posts before everything goes
 fully open. No response from them yet, but once the WMF deletes those posts,
 we can move forward :-)

Who did you contact? Daniel Zahn is the one who should be able to help
you with that, so if you'd like to speed things up, drop him an
e-mail: dzahn [at] wikimedia [dot] org.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Tentative schedule for London WIkinews Workshop

2012-07-27 Thread Brian McNeil

On 27 July 2012 13:44, Richard Symonds
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 We've got a camcorder you can borrow for the day? It's HD and has a
tripod...
 
On Fri, 2012-07-27 at 13:55 +0100, Stevie Benton wrote:
 We also have a really handy sound recorder if you fancy doing some
 podcasting, too.

We'll see once I'm back from the US.

Whilst I'm over there I'll be picking up a few components for my media
PC (the really good sound card I want is about 15-20% cheaper over
there). That won't be completed until nearer Christmas, but will have 8
audio inputs and I'll be starting with just a couple of
higher-res/larger sensor webcams.

And as I noted a comment about this now being a closed list, I'll plug
http://wikignomes.com. I bought the domain a couple of years back, and
have done nothing with it. So, I've now set it up as a WordPress
multisite install.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

Thanks - we're talking to Philippe but there's no movement as yet. I'll get
in touch with Daniel :-)

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 On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Richard Symonds
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  We're waiting on a reply from the WMF,  as it's their list, not the
  chapters. We asked them to delete a couple of posts before everything
 goes
  fully open. No response from them yet, but once the WMF deletes those
 posts,
  we can move forward :-)

 Who did you contact? Daniel Zahn is the one who should be able to help
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 e-mail: dzahn [at] wikimedia [dot] org.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

2012-07-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Charles Matthews 
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:

 On 27 July 2012 12:54, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
 Everybody
  on this list cares about ArbCom decisions, most of the time, and so does
 the
  entire body of administrators in the English Wikipedia. For the record,
  ArbCom members derive their authority from 300 to 600 supporters' votes.
  Wikimedia UK board members, from 40 or 50.

 600 is less than the number of active administrators, though. But
 let's not argue about numbers. I have given some context for my remark
 now, which you could have.



I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying. I meant that each
individual arbitrator was voted into office with 300 to 600 Wikimedians'
support votes, vs. three or four dozen for each Wikimedia UK board member.
ArbCom represents a significantly greater Wikimedia electorate (probably
even within the UK) than the WMUK board. But no matter. I agree arguments
about numbers are tedious.



  Refusing to acknowledge any problem, and beating up on ArbCom instead,
  really is the least well advised strategy to deal with this situation.

 I have certainly not been attacking ArbCom as an institution. I have a
 long-term problem with the workshop, which I have never liked, but
 otherwise I think ArbCom in general does pretty well.

 I sometimes disagree with Arbitration decisions; when I was asked
 about this particular pending decision by a Board member, I said that
 ArbCom is fallible, but it tends to know more about the case than we
 do (i.e. not all the information they have is always public, or fit to
 be made public).

 I in fact met three arbs for the first time at Wikimania, with two of
 whom I had worked. I talked also with Risker, who came onto the
 committee after me. I am not attacking any of these people, please let
 me say. There is a half-told story about the Fae case and Wikimania
 and the ban, clearly, but I am also not going to try to tell that
 story either.

 I am not going to say let's move on, because the topic of the thread
 is a legitimate one for members of the chapter to discuss. I am not
 myself a WMUK member, and I have things to do now, as do the Board and
 Fae. I have my own views on framing the issue, which have to some
 extent appeared in this thread. Please everyone respect AGF in any
 further contributions, and minimise personalia.



Fair enough, Charles.

Let me add that, like everyone else, I don't agree with every detail of
every ArbCom decision either. That's only natural; the arbs don't even
always agree among themselves. But on the whole I believe the committee as
a group get it right, and significantly more so than the community average
as expressed at a free-for-all venue like ANI. If ANI were all Wikipedia
had, all hope would be lost.

Even where I wish ArbCom had decided differently in a specific case, I can
still see that the decision they made was made in good faith, and within
the realm of what's reasonable. One can't ask for more than that.
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[Wikimediauk-l] Wolvopedia:

2012-07-27 Thread Andy Mabbett

As part of Make Shift:

   http://maketheshift.org/

an appeal for ideas to improve community life in Wolverhampton, I've
made a proposal for Wolvopedia, a Monmouthpedia-style project.

People with an interest in that city can express support by voting for it here:


http://maketheshift.uservoice.com/forums/168487-ideas-submission/suggestions/3032206-wolvopedia-make-wolverhampton-a-wikipedia-city

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

2012-07-27 Thread Jon Davies

Our own ale? I can help with the re-cycling.

On 27 July 2012 15:48, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 27 July 2012 14:02, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk
 wrote:

  I think it's sensible to have co-branding where possible.

 Indeed. Perhaps something like Wikimedia UK supports Wikipedia or
 Wikipedia - supported by Wikimedia UK?

  The mugs that David mentioned (we still have some left if anyone would
 like
  one!) are a really good example of this.

 And I thought the one conferred on me was a special honour!

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On 27/07/12 15:48, Andy Mabbett wrote:

Indeed. Perhaps something like Wikimedia UK supports Wikipedia or
Wikipedia - supported by Wikimedia UK?



Wikimedia UK supports Wikipedia and The Commons and Wikimania (all over 
the place)?


Gordo


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