Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Governance review
Press coverage: http://www.thirdsector.co.uk/Governance/article/1170282/review-urges-major-overhaul-governance-wikimedia-uk/ http://www.civilsociety.co.uk/governance/news/content/14428/wikimedia_uk_trustees_have_been_too_involved_to_govern_the_charity ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Governance review
Thanks Andreas for that. A few comments in-line for some corrections - Stevie can you contact them? On 8 February 2013 17:20, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Press coverage: http://www.thirdsector.co.uk/Governance/article/1170282/review-urges-major-overhaul-governance-wikimedia-uk/ 1) Using the WMF logo instead of Wikimedia UK one (do we allow use of logos for press purposes?) 2) The review, commissioned by Wikimedia UK and its sister charity in the US, theWikimedia Foundation http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home, - the WMF and WMUK are independent organisations, is sister charity appropriate? http://www.civilsociety.co.uk/governance/news/content/14428/wikimedia_uk_trustees_have_been_too_involved_to_govern_the_charity 1) This logo is cropped at the bottom slightly - again do we allow use of logos for press purposes, and should they be full logos? 2) or editing of the UK Wikipedia site. - I believe this should be English Wikipedia? 3) The article links to http://www.civilsociety.co.uk/directory/company/3377/wikimedia_foundation which gives the WMUK logo and address, but the Foundation's name and website (see the Description tab too) -- Thehelpfulone http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Governance review
On 09/02/2013 13:08, Thehelpfulone wrote: 1) Using the WMF logo instead of Wikimedia UK one (do we allow use of logos for press purposes?) Fair use and or fair dealing ? KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Governance review
On 9 February 2013 13:08, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote: [not speaking for anyone but myself] 1) Using the WMF logo instead of Wikimedia UK one (do we allow use of logos for press purposes?) WMF used to explicitly say on the press page that use of the logos in press articles about Wikimedia sites was fair use anyway (we kept getting calls asking explicit permission), though I can't find such a statement right this moment. In any case, I'd say using the logo in a press article about WMF or WMUK is pretty clearly fair use. 2) The review, commissioned by Wikimedia UK and its sister charity in the US, theWikimedia Foundation, - the WMF and WMUK are independent organisations, is sister charity appropriate? Strikes me as a reasonable descriptor. How would you describe it from the outside view? It's also in a paper about the charity sector, whose readers could reasonably be expected to understand a structure with a parent organisation in one country that owns the names and organisations in other countries that are independent charities, but obviously are going to work together quite closely on pretty much the same sort of goals. 2) or editing of the UK Wikipedia site. - I believe this should be English Wikipedia? That's a correction that needs making. 3) The article links to http://www.civilsociety.co.uk/directory/company/3377/wikimedia_foundation which gives the WMUK logo and address, but the Foundation's name and website (see the Description tab too) And that. - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Governance review
I got revison 5. Can we see 1 thru 4? Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania London
All, I've just seen a rather impressive presentation from the London Wikimania bid team. I thought it best to let you know that last night there was a raft of updates to the public bid page at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014_bids/London, including some videos, a (draft) budget, and a fundraising strategy. I think it'd really help if the community took a look through the pages and thought about potential weaknesses for the bid. At the moment, London looks likely to win: as a result, we really need to start looking critically *(but supportively!) *at the bid. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
Dear all, I am pleased to announce that Wikimedia UK has reached an agreement with Roger Bamkin and Terence Eden regarding the ownership of QRpedia. The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.orgdomains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will maintain and support the development of the QRpedia platform for the future. Roger and Terence will act as honorary advisors to Wikimedia UK in this, as well as retaining their moral rights of attribution, but will not receive any financial consideration for this. I am very pleased we have reached an agreement. I look forward to Wikimedia UK working to support QRpedia's future development. This includes defining our future involvement with the MonmouthpediA and GibraltarpediA projects. A fuller statement will follow. Regards, Chris Keating -- Chris Keating Chair, Wikimedia UK @chriskeating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Charitable Company registered in England and Wales. Registered Company No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office: 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
Thanks to all involved. This sounds like a good solution. Joe On Feb 9, 2013 5:10 PM, Chris Keating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Dear all, I am pleased to announce that Wikimedia UK has reached an agreement with Roger Bamkin and Terence Eden regarding the ownership of QRpedia. The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.orgdomains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will maintain and support the development of the QRpedia platform for the future. Roger and Terence will act as honorary advisors to Wikimedia UK in this, as well as retaining their moral rights of attribution, but will not receive any financial consideration for this. I am very pleased we have reached an agreement. I look forward to Wikimedia UK working to support QRpedia's future development. This includes defining our future involvement with the MonmouthpediA and GibraltarpediA projects. A fuller statement will follow. Regards, Chris Keating -- Chris Keating Chair, Wikimedia UK @chriskeating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Charitable Company registered in England and Wales. Registered Company No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office: 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
This is great news. Well the fuller announcement include an explanation of why this took so long? It sounds like a very straightforward agreement... On Feb 9, 2013 5:10 PM, Chris Keating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Dear all, I am pleased to announce that Wikimedia UK has reached an agreement with Roger Bamkin and Terence Eden regarding the ownership of QRpedia. The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.orgdomains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will maintain and support the development of the QRpedia platform for the future. Roger and Terence will act as honorary advisors to Wikimedia UK in this, as well as retaining their moral rights of attribution, but will not receive any financial consideration for this. I am very pleased we have reached an agreement. I look forward to Wikimedia UK working to support QRpedia's future development. This includes defining our future involvement with the MonmouthpediA and GibraltarpediA projects. A fuller statement will follow. Regards, Chris Keating -- Chris Keating Chair, Wikimedia UK @chriskeating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Charitable Company registered in England and Wales. Registered Company No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office: 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
excellent to hear! many thanks to you (wmuk) as well to terence and roger. On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Chris Keating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Dear all, I am pleased to announce that Wikimedia UK has reached an agreement with Roger Bamkin and Terence Eden regarding the ownership of QRpedia. The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.org domains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will maintain and support the development of the QRpedia platform for the future. Roger and Terence will act as honorary advisors to Wikimedia UK in this, as well as retaining their moral rights of attribution, but will not receive any financial consideration for this. I am very pleased we have reached an agreement. I look forward to Wikimedia UK working to support QRpedia's future development. This includes defining our future involvement with the MonmouthpediA and GibraltarpediA projects. A fuller statement will follow. Regards, Chris Keating -- Chris Keating Chair, Wikimedia UK @chriskeating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Charitable Company registered in England and Wales. Registered Company No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office: 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
On 9 February 2013 17:41, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: This is great news. Well the fuller announcement include an explanation of why this took so long? It sounds like a very straightforward agreement... You were on the board and don't remember the speed of charities? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
Why thank you Andreas, Joe etc On 9 February 2013 17:51, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks indeed. Good luck to all going forward. Andreas On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks to all involved. This sounds like a good solution. Joe On Feb 9, 2013 5:10 PM, Chris Keating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Dear all, I am pleased to announce that Wikimedia UK has reached an agreement with Roger Bamkin and Terence Eden regarding the ownership of QRpedia. The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.orgdomains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will maintain and support the development of the QRpedia platform for the future. Roger and Terence will act as honorary advisors to Wikimedia UK in this, as well as retaining their moral rights of attribution, but will not receive any financial consideration for this. I am very pleased we have reached an agreement. I look forward to Wikimedia UK working to support QRpedia's future development. This includes defining our future involvement with the MonmouthpediA and GibraltarpediA projects. A fuller statement will follow. Regards, Chris Keating -- Chris Keating Chair, Wikimedia UK @chriskeating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Charitable Company registered in England and Wales. Registered Company No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office: 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Roger Bamkin Victuallers Ltd 01332 702993 0758 2020815 Google+:Victuallers Skype:Victuallers1 Flickr:Victuallers2 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
On 9 February 2013 18:39, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: Now this has been transferred to Wikimedia UK, would it be possible to remove the access logging on QRpedia to ensure it complies with both the letter and spirit of the WMF privacy policy. I am happy to provide a simple patch to this end as well as a code checkover. It may be sensible to run QRpedia code through WMF formal code review for security checking. +1 - the WMF privacy rules are harsh compared to many, but readers love them so much they're actually a pretty good model, and I'd like to talk e.g. the RationalWiki Foundation into formally adopting them (we use them informally for a lot of stuff though not all). So this should be considered a useful thing to do that users will love :-) - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] Never the Twain shall be misquoted
Hi all, Good news indeed! Perhaps we should appreciate that the negotiations needed to be a bit longer in order to produce such a short statement. I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time. This has often been attributed to Mark Twain, but not on Wikisource. There it is attributed to Blaise Pascal. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Blaise_Pascal My little internet search revealed no proper references to Twain, rather some casting doubt that he ever used it. I feel we would do better to thank the board for taking the time and trouble of getting such a short and direct summary of the result. all the best Fabian (User:Leutha) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 18:19:28 + From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia Message-ID: caltqcccueb-fru5qq_nhxhr2bwhps7s1gilimarj47shvos...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On Feb 9, 2013 6:02 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 February 2013 17:41, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: This is great news. Well the fuller announcement include an explanation of why this took so long? It sounds like a very straightforward agreement... You were on the board and don't remember the speed of charities? Do you realise just how long this has taken? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediauk-l/attachments/20130209/9f4391cf/attachment.html -- ___ Wikimediauk-l mailing list Wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l End of Wikimediauk-l Digest, Vol 91, Issue 28 * ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
On 9 February 2013 18:39, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: Now this has been transferred to Wikimedia UK, would it be possible to remove the access logging on QRpedia to ensure it complies with both the letter and spirit of the WMF privacy policy. Is it possible to do that and retain the aggregated, anonymised statistics which GLAM institutions and others deploying QRpedia find useful? These may be analogous to Wikipedias page view stats. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
Thanks for the good news. Also, thanks to Roger and Terence for their hard work and willingness to be honorary advisers without pay. Finally, thanks to everyone like Andy who contributed to these projects. It's a testament to how productive WMUK is as part of the Wikimedia movement. Jess On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote: On 9 February 2013 17:10, Chris Keating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.org domains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will maintain and support the development of the QRpedia platform for the future. Hooray! Well done, Roger and Terence, and thank you. Roger and Terence will [retain] their moral rights of attribution I trust that that applies to those of us also credited, on QRpedia.org, for our contributions. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership grace period
I like the idea of updating the pages regarding membership on the WMUK site. Also, I agree multiple reminders are helpful. I think the idea of changing the address so that the renewal isn't automatically fed to an archive folder would be helpful for people like me. Excuse me for not having checked myself, but all membership dues are due at the same time each year, correct? Thanks, Jess On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I think we need to update the pages on the wiki here. http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Membership/Help is rather out of date (and there's plenty of questions being asked here that could be answered there), http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Membership/Process could probably do with expanding, and maybe we even need to revise http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Membership/Rules to include things like paying for membership in advance as Tom is pointing out (maximum number of years, etc.), and some others (e.g. if you renew part-way through the grace period, do you get 12 months from then, or 12 months from the anniversary of your joining date - that's currently a bit ambiguous). Thanks, Mike On 8 Feb 2013, at 18:00, Doug Weller dougwel...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't a standard order better? You told me I can do that but I'm not clear how. Doug On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: On 8 February 2013 14:38, Katherine Bavage katherine.bav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Yes, you can pay for x number of years in advance - we can record longer terms on the database, and append notes to the contact record explaining why. How far in advance can we pay? If we pay in advance and the fee is increased, will you come after us with a baseball bat for the difference? Will people paying a long way in advance give you an administrative headache, for example from having to make allowance for it in the accounts? -- Mike Peel Secretary, Wikimedia UK http://mikepeel.net/ - @mike_peel http://wikimedia.org.uk/ - @wikimediauk Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent charitable organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No. 1144513. The Registered Office is at 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT, United Kingdom. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
On 9 February 2013 17:10, Chris Keating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.org domains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK It would be a good idea to update http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/02/questions-and-answers-related-to-the-governance-review/ ASAP (which I appreciate might mean Monday) -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership grace period
No Jess - each individual is due to renew at a different time each year, depending on when they joined. I joined on 5 December, I think: That means that I am due for renewal on 4 December. I will get an email just before that date. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 9 February 2013 20:27, Jessica Taylor jessica.s.taylo...@gmail.comwrote: I like the idea of updating the pages regarding membership on the WMUK site. Also, I agree multiple reminders are helpful. I think the idea of changing the address so that the renewal isn't automatically fed to an archive folder would be helpful for people like me. Excuse me for not having checked myself, but all membership dues are due at the same time each year, correct? Thanks, Jess On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I think we need to update the pages on the wiki here. http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Membership/Help is rather out of date (and there's plenty of questions being asked here that could be answered there), http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Membership/Process could probably do with expanding, and maybe we even need to revise http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Membership/Rules to include things like paying for membership in advance as Tom is pointing out (maximum number of years, etc.), and some others (e.g. if you renew part-way through the grace period, do you get 12 months from then, or 12 months from the anniversary of your joining date - that's currently a bit ambiguous). Thanks, Mike On 8 Feb 2013, at 18:00, Doug Weller dougwel...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't a standard order better? You told me I can do that but I'm not clear how. Doug On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: On 8 February 2013 14:38, Katherine Bavage katherine.bav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Yes, you can pay for x number of years in advance - we can record longer terms on the database, and append notes to the contact record explaining why. How far in advance can we pay? If we pay in advance and the fee is increased, will you come after us with a baseball bat for the difference? Will people paying a long way in advance give you an administrative headache, for example from having to make allowance for it in the accounts? -- Mike Peel Secretary, Wikimedia UK http://mikepeel.net/ - @mike_peel http://wikimedia.org.uk/ - @wikimediauk Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent charitable organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No. 1144513. The Registered Office is at 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT, United Kingdom. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Governance review
On 9 February 2013 13:08, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.civilsociety.co.uk/governance/news/content/14428/wikimedia_uk_trustees_have_been_too_involved_to_govern_the_charity This also refers to an an intellectual property dispute over QRPedia, which is, of course, bunkum. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Governance review
On 9 February 2013 20:56, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 9 February 2013 13:08, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.civilsociety.co.uk/governance/news/content/14428/wikimedia_uk_trustees_have_been_too_involved_to_govern_the_charity This also refers to an an intellectual property dispute over QRPedia, which is, of course, bunkum. Oh, look who else quotes this claim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-11/In_the_media I wonder where they got it from. - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Governance review
Not from me, if that is what you are implying. I have not been in touch with either publication. As for the Signpost piece, it is a fair summary of what they wrote, which is the Signpost's job to deliver. Andreas On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:01 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 February 2013 20:56, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 9 February 2013 13:08, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.civilsociety.co.uk/governance/news/content/14428/wikimedia_uk_trustees_have_been_too_involved_to_govern_the_charity This also refers to an an intellectual property dispute over QRPedia, which is, of course, bunkum. Oh, look who else quotes this claim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-11/In_the_media I wonder where they got it from. - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Governance review
Dispute may be putting it a bit strongly but obviously there was a disagreement or it wouldn't have taken this long to reach an agreement. Dispute does suggest a dispute over who owns it, which was never true. Any dispute was over the future, not the past. On Feb 9, 2013 8:57 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 9 February 2013 13:08, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.civilsociety.co.uk/governance/news/content/14428/wikimedia_uk_trustees_have_been_too_involved_to_govern_the_charity This also refers to an an intellectual property dispute over QRPedia, which is, of course, bunkum. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
On Saturday, 9 February 2013 at 20:08, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 9 February 2013 18:39, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org (mailto:t...@tommorris.org) wrote: Now this has been transferred to Wikimedia UK, would it be possible to remove the access logging on QRpedia to ensure it complies with both the letter and spirit of the WMF privacy policy. Is it possible to do that and retain the aggregated, anonymised statistics which GLAM institutions and others deploying QRpedia find useful? These may be analogous to Wikipedias page view stats. That seems highly reasonable. The current issue is that the QRpedia database has a complete log of which IPs looked up which pages and when. (Which is fine, I'm not blaming Roger or Terence. That's a perfectly reasonable thing to do with something you are starting. This isn't a security hole or a privacy intrusion, it's a standard thing anyone would do when building a project like this. But now it has reached a point of maturity and is being taken under the wing of WMUK, we need to ensure that it is compliant with the expectations of Wikimedia users.) We need to anonymise the access data, aggregate it and then delete the non-anonymised, non-aggregated data. I'm happy to fling code around and figure out a way to do this. I've had a look at the existing code and it's easy enough to understand. We could probably do with refactoring some of the code too. I'd suggest that it would be best for WMUK to adhere completely with the Foundation's privacy policy (mentally substitute chapter and WMUK in the relevant places) even if the chapter is not formally bound by the Foundation policy (I'm not a movement policy wonk, I don't know). In addition, not holding on to access logs but only aggregate, anonymised data means that we minimise the potential for problems under the Data Protection Act or wider European data privacy law. I'd suggest that we resolve these issues as soon as possible. The QRpedia transfer was rather a slow process, it'd be nice if now that the transfer has been agreed, we can make sure that we resolve these kinds of issues in the next week or so (I rather prefer fixing issues when they exist only in my head rather than when people are shouting like maniacs). As I said, I'm happy to provide patches and code review in the next few days. WMUK staff/trustees: are there any plans for transferring the source code over to Wikimedia infrastructure (Gerrit etc.)? -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
If we are looking at refactoring code then we should look at eventually moving to wikidata for language links. Joe On Feb 9, 2013 10:39 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: On Saturday, 9 February 2013 at 20:08, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 9 February 2013 18:39, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org (mailto: t...@tommorris.org) wrote: Now this has been transferred to Wikimedia UK, would it be possible to remove the access logging on QRpedia to ensure it complies with both the letter and spirit of the WMF privacy policy. Is it possible to do that and retain the aggregated, anonymised statistics which GLAM institutions and others deploying QRpedia find useful? These may be analogous to Wikipedias page view stats. That seems highly reasonable. The current issue is that the QRpedia database has a complete log of which IPs looked up which pages and when. (Which is fine, I'm not blaming Roger or Terence. That's a perfectly reasonable thing to do with something you are starting. This isn't a security hole or a privacy intrusion, it's a standard thing anyone would do when building a project like this. But now it has reached a point of maturity and is being taken under the wing of WMUK, we need to ensure that it is compliant with the expectations of Wikimedia users.) We need to anonymise the access data, aggregate it and then delete the non-anonymised, non-aggregated data. I'm happy to fling code around and figure out a way to do this. I've had a look at the existing code and it's easy enough to understand. We could probably do with refactoring some of the code too. I'd suggest that it would be best for WMUK to adhere completely with the Foundation's privacy policy (mentally substitute chapter and WMUK in the relevant places) even if the chapter is not formally bound by the Foundation policy (I'm not a movement policy wonk, I don't know). In addition, not holding on to access logs but only aggregate, anonymised data means that we minimise the potential for problems under the Data Protection Act or wider European data privacy law. I'd suggest that we resolve these issues as soon as possible. The QRpedia transfer was rather a slow process, it'd be nice if now that the transfer has been agreed, we can make sure that we resolve these kinds of issues in the next week or so (I rather prefer fixing issues when they exist only in my head rather than when people are shouting like maniacs). As I said, I'm happy to provide patches and code review in the next few days. WMUK staff/trustees: are there any plans for transferring the source code over to Wikimedia infrastructure (Gerrit etc.)? -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
