[Wikimediauk-l] Re: Call for Lightning Talks, WMUK Community Meeting

[Roger Bamkin]

Eight years of women in red, based talks?

280 online editathons. 70 training sessions in the UK. A budget of zero.
Not a WMF affiliate. Sessions at BBC, UN, Several unis, 24 hour, different
countries... Sister Projects in more than 30 languages. Every woman (ish)
who was in the ODNB when WiR started and was a WiR now has an article. Was
15% now approaching 20%. Will we ever achieve 50? We did last year. Does
this need  five mins? ... I think most already know this.

Maybe more interesting to talk about just the Eight years of doing every
ODNB women in red ... which women were most intriguing? History of the UK
in 100 women?

I was most stunned that it was first found this year that there is a way of
looking at Wikipedia that indicates that 50% women is emerging on the
English Wikipedia?

I will be at the monthly Women in Red editathon at 1 pm today. Maybe we
could discuss it then not heard of the monthly WiR editathons???

Search for wir Eventbrite university of Edinburgh Wikipedia and the amazing
Ewan McAndrew etc. and book a place

could also start a debate at Www.womeninred.org?

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On Thu, 28 Sep 2023, 5:26 pm Sara Thomas, 
wrote:

> Afternoon all,
>
>
> On Sunday 26th November this year we’ll be holding an online Wikimedia UK
> 2023 Community Meeting.  We’ll be presenting the Wikimedian of the Year
> awards, celebrating the work of the community, and showcasing ways in which
> volunteers can get involved through an opportunities fair.
>
> For the *lightning talks *section, we’d like to showcase activity that
> community members have been doing over the last while, and we'd really like
> to hear about work which we, or other community members might not have
> heard about.  It’s often the case that there’s a huge amount of work done
> by Wikimedians that others just don’t see.  So this is an invitation to
> tell us about what you’ve been editing, in a short lightning talk -
> strictly 5 minutes or less.
>
> Have you done interesting things with a dataset on Wikidata?  Maybe you’ve
> finally managed to track down a source to fix that article you’ve had your
> eye on for the last two months? Did your work on a Wikipedia article lead
> you to discover a really interesting story?  Did you manage to get an
> openly licensed image that’s transformed an article?
>
> … and crucially, would you like to share your story?  If you’d like to
> present a lighting talk - 5 minutes maximum - please email
> sara.tho...@wikimedia.org.uk off-list and we can chat.
>
> If you’re uncomfortable with public speaking, please do still get in touch
> and we can talk about options!  Maybe we can do a slideshow, or record an
> interview, or put a short video together.  (Ideally we’d rather that it was
> community members who speak in this section of the day and not WMUK staff
> members.)
>
> All the best,
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[Wikimediauk-l] Re: A Culture of Copyright: A scoping study

[Roger Bamkin]

Interesting study thanks for sharing Andy

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On Mon, 21 Mar 2022, 1:45 pm Andy Mabbett, 
wrote:

> Last week, a report by Andrea Wallace, 'A Culture of Copyright: A
> scoping study on open access to digital cultural heritage collections
> in the UK', was published, examining UK GLAMs' claims of copyright on
> reproductions of 2D works of art whose copyright has expired.
>
> It's really well researched and written, and makes points which align
> well with the Wikimedia movement's views on such Public Domain works.
>
> The report (openly licensed and so naturally free to read) is here:
>
>https://zenodo.org/record/6242611
>
> and there's a good blog post about it here:
>
>
> https://simon-tanner.blogspot.com/2022/03/the-revolution-starts-here-open-access.html
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Women's History Month interviews

[Roger Bamkin]

Thanks for the reply Katie. Pleased to see you have thought about it. It is
so frequently sold as a "women's issue" as its an easy narrative to
conflate our editor bias with systemic information bias. But its counter
productive IMO.

cheers
Roger

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 15:06, Katie Crampton <
katie.cramp...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Hi Roger
>
> Yes it's covered in the videos, especially in Victoria's interview. I have
> yet to interview Alice and Lucy, but I know they acknowledge the allies we
> have in male editors. As it's our first year doing the videos and there are
> only 5 Mondays in March, we felt these were the people we wanted to ask.
> While I appreciate that the gender gap is not only a women's issue, I feel
> that these women are the best people to speak on their work.
>
> Thanks for the offer. I actually emailed Ewan to offer him a blog spot,
> but after some discussion Sarah Lappin will be writing one for us on her
> upcoming event (you can sign up here
> <https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/women-empowered-wikipedia-editathon-tickets-141961184725>).
> Lucy will be covering the work of great Wikimedians in Residence like Ewan,
> that's sort of the idea for her interview i.e. to round up anything that's
> not been covered in the first 4 interviews and to ask editors who aren't
> women to get involved.
>
> Best wishes
> Katie
>
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 14:20, Roger Bamkin  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Katie,
>>
>> This is good news, but it does continue the idea that the gender gap is a
>> women's problem.
>>
>> This is much too important to leave to < 20% of our editors but maybe
>> these interviews will say that. I hope so.
>>
>> There have been >45 women in red editathons organised by Ewan and they
>> should get a mention I reckon.
>>
>> I could offer you a blog on the subject?
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 12:12, Katie Crampton <
>> katie.cramp...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> We've done a series of interviews with some great women who are closing
>>> the gender gap on Wikipedia and its sister projects for Women's History
>>> Month. They'll be released every Monday in March at 4pm on our YouTube.
>>>
>>> First up is Kira Wisniewski, Executive Director at Art+Feminism, going
>>> live here <https://youtu.be/F4DQnwnFrqM>. Then we'll have Rebecca
>>> O'Neill from Wikimedia Community Ireland, Victoria Leonard from the Women's
>>> Classics Committee, Alice White our Wikimedian in Residence at the
>>> Wellcome Trust, and finally Lucy to round up the month and Wikimedia UK's
>>> activities.
>>>
>>> Hope you all have a lovely weekend in the sunshine.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Katie
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Women's History Month interviews

[Roger Bamkin]

Thanks Katie,

This is good news, but it does continue the idea that the gender gap is a
women's problem.

This is much too important to leave to < 20% of our editors but maybe
these interviews will say that. I hope so.

There have been >45 women in red editathons organised by Ewan and they
should get a mention I reckon.

I could offer you a blog on the subject?

Roger

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 12:12, Katie Crampton <
katie.cramp...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> We've done a series of interviews with some great women who are closing
> the gender gap on Wikipedia and its sister projects for Women's History
> Month. They'll be released every Monday in March at 4pm on our YouTube.
>
> First up is Kira Wisniewski, Executive Director at Art+Feminism, going
> live here <https://youtu.be/F4DQnwnFrqM>. Then we'll have Rebecca O'Neill
> from Wikimedia Community Ireland, Victoria Leonard from the Women's
> Classics Committee, Alice White our Wikimedian in Residence at the
> Wellcome Trust, and finally Lucy to round up the month and Wikimedia UK's
> activities.
>
> Hope you all have a lovely weekend in the sunshine.
>
> Best wishes
> Katie
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Birmingham event this Sunday

[Roger Bamkin]

Good luck with this Andy. We are now far away in Scotland but will be
thinking of iKON today. It was one of our favourite galleries and we bought
several paintings locally.

R

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On Fri, 25 May 2018, 7:59 p.m. Andy Mabbett, 
wrote:

> As part of my new Wikipedia Residency, I'm running an event at
> Birmingham's Ikon Gallery:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikon_Gallery
>
> on Sunday. There are still a few places available. Come along, and
> write or update articles about contemporary art & artists.
>
> The event is free, lunch will be provided, but please bring a laptop.
> Training will be available for new editors.
>
> Book at:
>
>https://www.ikon-gallery.org/event/wikipedia-editathon/
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Editathon in Birmingham, Sunday 27 May 2018

[Roger Bamkin]

Try to make it Andy, its one of my favourite gallerys
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikon_Gallery
We are moving to Scotland in April so last Midlands appearance

Roger

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> I hope some of you can make this:
>
>https://www.ikon-gallery.org/event/wikipedia-editathon/
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Womanthology would like to run something on Wikipedia's efforts to fix the gender gap in our editing and coverage

[Roger Bamkin]

Really? I think you haven't thought this through Richard - (although as a
bloke you could be wrong :-) ).

Women in Red was started because some felt that the lack of gender equality
in Wiki was a problem caused by the low number of female editors. It was
thought that we should encourage women to be editors because then they
could address the gender disparity problem with articles. That didn't work,
(as the WMF admit).

I'm pleased to say that we overcame this. Women in Red is roughly 50% of
two of the genders. The monthly editathon in Edinburgh is led by a bloke.
The three international editathons are led by a bloke. (Surely Womanthoogy
can operate positive discrimination without our encouragement to only
choose a woman editor.) It could be that some women editors want to edit
stuff about tanks or fashion. My worry is that if we return to the idea
that this is a woman's problem then we cut the active editors by at least
half. Equality is our problem. 14% has become 17.5% in 2.5 years. That has
been achieved by editors, not women.

Oh, and well done, WSF. I would suggest HistorianAlice or Jess if we insist
that this is a woman's problem.

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On 11 March 2018 at 14:49, Richard Nevell <richard.a.j.nev...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think this would be a good opportunity for one of Wikimedia UK's female
> volunteers to talk about their work.
>
> On 11 Mar 2018 13:00, "Roger Bamkin" <victuall...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> I started Women in Red which moved the needle from 14% to 17.49%. She can
> see the twitter page at #wikiwomeninred and there is a women in red
> Wikipedia page. We can also talk about the work we hsave done with United
> Nations, Unesco, cambridge uni, wikimedia uk, ng, fr, ca, etc and the BBC.
>
> Happy for you to give her my details.
>
> regards
>
> Roger
>
> On 11 March 2018 at 12:40, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Got a call on Friday from Fiona Tatton from Womanthology. She was
>> interested in talking to someone who's worked on improving
>> representation of women in Wikipedia, and editing Wikipedia.
>>
>> Coverage is basically talking to individuals about what they do.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure this'll be a positive for our work ...
>>
>> Best method: look at the site, if you'd like to be there then go to
>> the contact form.
>>
>> (She left a phone message with Lucy, but I said I'd forward something
>> here too.)
>>
>>
>> - d.
>>
>>
>> 
>> Great speaking to you just now. Thank you for your time.  As
>> discussed, I work on Womanthology, a digital magazine that champions
>> positive female role models and challenges the stereotypes of what it
>> means to be a ‘successful’ woman today. Please have a look:
>>
>> www.womanthology.co.uk
>>
>> I’m working on a Women of History issue - I’m interested in
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>> being used to highlight the achievements of women who have been
>> previously overlooked.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Womanthology would like to run something on Wikipedia's efforts to fix the gender gap in our editing and coverage

[Roger Bamkin]

Hi David,

I started Women in Red which moved the needle from 14% to 17.49%. She can
see the twitter page at #wikiwomeninred and there is a women in red
Wikipedia page. We can also talk about the work we hsave done with United
Nations, Unesco, cambridge uni, wikimedia uk, ng, fr, ca, etc and the BBC.

Happy for you to give her my details.

regards

Roger

On 11 March 2018 at 12:40, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Got a call on Friday from Fiona Tatton from Womanthology. She was
> interested in talking to someone who's worked on improving
> representation of women in Wikipedia, and editing Wikipedia.
>
> Coverage is basically talking to individuals about what they do.
>
> I'm pretty sure this'll be a positive for our work ...
>
> Best method: look at the site, if you'd like to be there then go to
> the contact form.
>
> (She left a phone message with Lucy, but I said I'd forward something here
> too.)
>
>
> - d.
>
>
> 
> Great speaking to you just now. Thank you for your time.  As
> discussed, I work on Womanthology, a digital magazine that champions
> positive female role models and challenges the stereotypes of what it
> means to be a ‘successful’ woman today. Please have a look:
>
> www.womanthology.co.uk
>
> I’m working on a Women of History issue - I’m interested in
> representation of historical female figures and the way editathons are
> being used to highlight the achievements of women who have been
> previously overlooked.
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The #Vote100 Wikipedia editathon NEEDS YOU - We've moved!

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redible
>> women missing from Wikipedia e.g. Bessie Watson, the Scottish child
>> suffragette and piper
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_(Bessie)_Watson>. More
>> suggestions for pages to edit are very welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Bring a friend, bring two! We have a very large room, food and drink and
>> lots of pages to create. No editing experience necessary, full training
>> will be provided and it’s super easy (& fun) to do.*
>>
>>
>>
>> Only 17.39% of biographies on Wikipedia are about notable women so there
>> are a great many notable women missing (both historic and contemporary)
>> from Wikipedia and from Google’s top search results.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope you can find time to attend as we could greatly use your support.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>>
>>
>> Ewan
>>
>>
>>
>> Ewan McAndrew
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>>
>> Tel: 07719 330076
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>> Wikipedia Project Page for the residency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>> Wikipedia:University_of_Edinburgh
>>
>> The University of Edinburgh, Floor H (West), Argyle House, 3 Lady Lawson
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Proposed election night editathon

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good work!

On 3 May 2017 at 17:47, Ed Hand <edwar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> John
>
> Thanks for your timely reminder.  From previous postings, Fabian and I (at
> least) would be up for an election night editathon.
>
> As I've mentioned before, there are 29 MPs not standing again, so based on
> the 2015 constituency results and the 10pm exit polls, we can start Draft:
> pages for probable new MPs, ready to go live when the actual constituency
> results come in.
>
> MPs not standing again
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_
> election,_2017#Members_of_Parliament_not_standing_for_re-election
>
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> wrote:
>
>> Has there been any decision about whether we will do an event on the
>> evening of the election, before or after? I've been away but if you guys
>> have decided on something, we can start organising.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On 29 April 2017 at 08:28, geni <geni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28 April 2017 at 15:13, Harry Mitchell <hjmw...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> I could possibly do election night if that's what most of us want to go
>>>> for (assuming Ed is willing to let us take over Newspeak House for the
>>>> whole night, and bearing in mind it's likely to be the small hours before
>>>> there's much 'work' to do).
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> have articles and improve the ones that do.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request for trainer assistance at an LGBT+ editathon next weekend

[Roger Bamkin]

Woo Rex, march 8th we're in Cambridge? Details solidifying Next weekend I
think I could help.

On 5 Feb 2017 2:14 am, "Rex X" <r...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> If you can't find anybody closer, I could make it - it's about 130 miles
> by car
> or about 3 hours by train - off-peak return £42.
>
> Have you asked Roger Bamkin, as he's much closer?
>
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> > On 02 February 2017 at 15:11 Katherine Bavage <
> katherine.bav...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've rather had this event fall in my lap - a friend mentioned she was
> > helping Bradford council manage the marketing for it's LGBT+ History
> month
> > activities, she put me in touch with the local council lead, and they've
> > agreed to provide a venue for free and help us get new editors along. I'm
> > working on a collections or archives partner or presence, failing that
> > we'll rely on online resources. The downside is to fit in with their
> > availability its come up at short notice.
> >
> > Having checked in with a couple of regional trained trainers, they were
> not
> > available, and currently I'm running the event as the solo wikimedian -
> far
> > from ideal both because I'm not a trained trainer (or a hugely
> experienced
> > editor) but more importantly, having had to run an Art+Feminism workshop
> > solo last year, I just know how hard it is to run a high-quality session
> > for newbies single handed.
> >
> > Would anyone be prepared to travel and help out? The session is 12 - 3pm
> on
> > the 11th of February in a building near both of bradfords city centre
> > stations or I'm confident I can book a parking space. Travel expenses can
> > be met by WMUK (with the caveat that there is a limit so at this late
> > notice that might rule out those of you very far away)
> >
> > We really don't do a lot in this part of the world at the moment, and
> there
> > is no reason we could embed this as a repeat thing - the local Councillor
> > who is leading the activities programme is keen and they have the
> > facilities and captive student and resident audiences - they just need
> the
> > wikipedians with a will!
> >
> > Let me know directly and by reply all. I will also share the event page
> > when I've finished draft (H/t to Fae whose Bishopgate event I've
> shameless
> > borrowed)  so you can suggest content/sign up as a remote
> participant/make
> > better.
> >
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC 100 Women and Wikimedia

[Roger Bamkin]

Thanks Deryk, there seems to be some deep feelings on this one. There seems
to some suspicion that there is a conspiracy to raise the profile of women
on Wikipedia. well they are right! However that doesn't mean to say
that we want to ignore the rules.

I recently wrote an article about a Nigerian model and 25 seemingly
unrelated web sites then ran a story about the fact that "Wikipedia had
chosen her". Worrying to see that the press is covering such minor stuff.
Anyway thanks from "Women in Red".

R



On 15 December 2016 at 18:40, Deryck Chan <deryckc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've just gone ahead and closed
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_
> deletion/Laura_Coryton
> as keep.
>
> In a sense the BBC is gaming the system by writing out loud that Laura
> Coryton doesn't have an article but should be, because the article itself
> then becomes a reliable source which pushes the subject up a notch on the
> notability scale.
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/96d9abef-b668-42b7-a3bd-6305c42b5ff9
>
> But on the AfD itself, few comments were raised about the BBC article's
> effect on this AfD. While I will never know how many of those
> unsubstantiated "keep because I think this article meets the inclusion
> guideline" comments were swayed by the BBC campaign, it seems that very few
> people thought the BBC campaign directly affected the notability of these
> women.
>
> I hope these observations will be useful for future BBC/WMUK
> collaborations.
>
> Deryck (with his en.wp admin hat on)
>
>
> On 10 December 2016 at 21:48, Gordon Joly <gordon.j...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> A comment from User:Czar
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_UK/Events/BBC_100_Women
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC 100 Women and Wikimedia

[Roger Bamkin]

Thanks Lucy

On 5 December 2016 at 14:41, Lucy Crompton-Reid <
lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Dear all
>
> As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in Red
> and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering with
> BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia, improve
> coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
>
> A multi-location, multilingual volunteer-led editathon will be taking
> place in various locations across the world on *Thursday 8th December. *In
> the UK, editathons will be taking place for BBC staff, presenters and
> special guests in all four nations of the UK with events in Belfast,
> Cardiff, Glasgow, London and Reading. Women in Red are also running a
> virtual editathon to involve more established editors, particularly those
> who are already working on the gender gap.
>
> You can read more about this project on the meta page, which we will be
> updating as the week continues: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_
> UK/Events/BBC_100_Women
>
> Whilst the events in the UK are primarily for BBC staff, presenters, VIPs
> and other special guests, Wikimedia UK is collating a small guest list for
> the Broadcasting House event. If you would like to attend, please email
> nicola.furn...@wikimedia.org.uk (copied in above) and let her know which
> of the following times would be best for you: 2 – 4pm, 3 – 5pm, 4 – 6pm
> or 5 – 7pm. Nicola is liaising with the BBC over capacity and will confirm
> your space ASAP.
>
> We are also exploring the potential for external guests at the events
> in Cardiff, Reading and Glasgow, so please email Nicola if you are
> interested.
>
> All best
> Lucy
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC 100 Women and Wikimedia

[Roger Bamkin]

The editors in London who had editor support did very well. We trained lots
of very bright people. I know that we've had dozens in other languages and
we had newbies in London creating two good articles. A link to the detail
might have been a catch all but we no have a bare Edit button above every
article. I suspect this is the biggest in person editathon... Have there
been others?

On 8 Dec 2016 10:24 am, "Michael Peel"  wrote:

> It's possible to follow the edits through the hashtag, at:
> http://tools.wmflabs.org/hashtags/search/100Womenwiki
> Maybe help interact with the new users there? There are already a few
> problematic usernames being used... (e.g., User:BBC100)
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> On 8 Dec 2016, at 07:49, Lucy Crompton-Reid  org.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Gordo
>
> This is one of the issues we've been discussing with the BBC all
> along...the idea being to focus on in person training events where people
> get a real sense of how to edit and are far less likely to be reverted. Of
> course the BBC were quite focused on having a large scale call to
> action...we're hoping to see most engagement at the in person events and we
> also have people keeping an eye on the hashtag so that we can spot
> potentially tricky situations. But you're right, it is a concern.
>
> Lucy
>
>
>
> On 8 December 2016 at 09:30, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>
>> On 05/12/16 14:41, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
>> >
>> > As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in Red
>> > and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering
>> > with BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia,
>> > improve coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
>>
>> Great stuff, but on the BBC News article:
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838
>>
>> we find
>>
>> "How to create a new profile on Wikipedia"
>>
>> This is really about article creation for new biographic entries. If
>> this is a living person, then one of the most difficult starting points
>> for a new editor.
>>
>> I would think of "new profile" as being a User page.
>>
>> So, going live with a new article and then facing a rapid deletion
>> request is hardly constructive. No mention of a sandbox for example.
>> There should be explicit links to extant help, tutorials and other
>> instruction.
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRPedia down?

[Roger Bamkin]

Andy, wmuks support seems very amateur. Is it worth pointing out that
they have a contract to keep it running. They seem to rely on the community
to spot errors and then fix them. They should be testing it every week and
fixing it without being prodded. Oh and hope you're OK. Cheers roger
On 6 Jul 2016 5:05 pm, "Andy Mabbett"  wrote:

> The URL:
>
>http://qrwp.org/The_Son_of_Man
>
> returns (for me)
>
>Sorry, but Wikipedia does not have the page
>"The_Son_of_Man" in your language (en). Please
> try reading the Google auto-translated version.
>
> Or read in one of the following languages:
>
> - The_Son_of_Man
>
> with the last line linked to:
>
>https://qrwp.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Son_of_Man
>
> which times out.
>
> Yet:
>
>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Son_of_Man
>
> returns the expected article.
>
> What's broken?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Old Bailey plaque: images obtained

[Roger Bamkin]

Andy I'm trying to arrange event at derby museum ...interested? I'm hoping
you are. Best. R
On 23 Apr 2016 11:30 pm, "Andy Mabbett"  wrote:

> On 17 Feb, Charles wrote:
>
> > I came across Bushel's Case, which established in 1670 that a
> > judge can't really lock up a jury without food and drink indefinitely
> > to get the required verdict from them. Quite a lot hangs on that.
>
> > What would be nice would be a photo of the plaque in the Old
> > Bailey, commemorating William Penn and his "partner in crime"
> > William Mead, who were in the dock in the relevant case.
>
> I asked a friend of mine, a professional event photographer who works
> in London, if he could kindly help, and today he took these:
>
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:William_Penn_and_William_Mead_plaque
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK Wikimedian of the Year awards nominations

[Roger Bamkin]

That's weird, I could swear I was told it was cancelled Ill check. but
thanks

R


On 19 June 2014 16:32, Toni Sant toni.s...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Hi Roger -

 Is this what you're after?
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/UK_Wikimedian_of_the_Year_2013

 Best wishes,

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 What happened last year?
 On 13 Jun 2014 15:47, Katie Chan katie.c...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Hi all,

 It's that time of the year where we are looking for nominations for UK
 Wikimedian of the Year. The UK Wikimedian of the Year is an annual award
 given by Wikimedia UK to thank those in the UK or abroad who have helped
 the UK Wikimedia movement. These volunteers and institutions have gone
 above and beyond the call of duty to help bring open knowledge to all.

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 https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/UK_Wikimedian_of_the_Year_2014/Nomination
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Birmingham City Council meeting videos now open licensed

[Roger Bamkin]

Nice one andy
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Second Queen St Mill Museum editathon, 10 May

[Roger Bamkin]

Can't make it Andy... But hope it goes well
On 10 Apr 2014 17:43, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 We're running another editathon, at Queen Street Mill in Burnley, on
 10 May. This is a fantastic opportunity to use the mill's archives and
 to meet and work with the curators.

 Booking essential:


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] I'm Not in Love...

[Roger Bamkin]

That is so coolI m a great 10 cc fan
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 ...but I did meet 10CC's Graham Gouldman today, and recorded his voice
 for Wikipedia, along with those of Wishbone Ash founder Martin Turner
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] West Midlands Police Museum editathon

[Roger Bamkin]

Sounds interesting andy
Not sure of plans yet but sounds intriguing r
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 I have organised an editathon, in conjunction with the West Midlands
 Police, at the West Midlands Police Museum in Birmingham, on 15 March.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/WM_Police_Museum

 It's a small venue, not usually open to the public, with a very
 interesting collection of objects and archives. There will be good
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 Places are limited, due to the museum's small size.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Declarations for paid editing and related advocacy

[Roger Bamkin]

Hmm the lesson here is to realise that we have a wonderful community that
shows some wonderful things about the human condition. However what I'm
seeing is a lynch mob gathering on the wiki whilst all the decent people
stay inside. The board should work out how to avoid and diminish such
situations and not to just be a source of fuel and amplification.

R
On 9 Jan 2014 14:44, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 9 January 2014 14:09, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
  On 9 January 2014 13:10, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
 ...
  Though it's not unreasonable to infer that, they've made no such
  declaration - leastways, in their posts that I have seen, the phrase
  used is frowned upon.
 
  and the apparent swift termination of a long term employee,
 
  Again, that's not apparent to me; she may have resigned, wither
  willingly or under duress. WMF comments on the matter have not made
  such facts clear.

 You may be waiting an *awfully* long time for the facts to be made
 clear. I think Occam's razor applies and the specific case does not
 make all that much difference to the issue. WMUK needs to have a
 governance policy as to whether it accepts that employees, contractors
 and trustees can have undeclared past paid editing projects or secret
 accounts on Wikipediocracy (or similar) where they can play at being
 double agents (or whatever other good or bad motivation they might
 have).

  I believe it appropriate for the Board
  of Trustees of Wikimedia UK to agree a policy at the next board meeting
 to
  require employees, contractors and trustees to publicly declare any
 current
  or past paid editing activities, or related unpaid advocacy that may
  represent a potential conflict of interest.
 
  WMUK already has a CoI policy does it not? No hasty action should be
  taken, particularly while the issues discussed above are not clear.

 I am not asking for hasty action, just a basic commitment that the
 board of trustees will consider a policy at the next board meeting. I
 am specifically not asking for knee-jerk reactions without
 consultation with the members of the charity, and probably
 consultation with WMF Legal, as now seems to be normal working
 practice for the current board of trustees.

 As for the current WMUK COI policy, speaking as a past Chairman of the
 charity, no it does not adequately cover this. In fact you can drive a
 coach and horses through it with regard to these situations.

  I have posted this same proposal at
  
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Engine_room#Declarations_for_paid_editing_and_related_advocacy
 ,
  however I recommend that should anyone wish to discuss specific
 examples,
  including naming or linking to
  the WMF employee case, that this is limited to this independent email
 list
  rather than using the WMUK wiki.
 
  As a meta issue, I find it unhelpful to have discussions split between
  venues. Better to start one, and then post pointers to it elsewhere.

 Apparently decentralized discussion is the wiki-norm. However I agree
 that having most of the discussion in one place is useful and
 considering recent actions by the board to delete critical discussion
 on the WMUK wiki, this list looks more open to free speech.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] What next with QRpedia?

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Just to clarify - freopedia are taking no notice of not using the
WikipediA word art. As per recent discussions in this thread. (I did nt
want to imply that they were taking no notice generally!)

They are using the word art on their Freopedia labels. Note Freopedia I
think is now the largest Wikitown in that it has more QRpedia tags than say
Joburg or Prague. It also has it own Wiki article recently and announced
another project at Toodyay in WA.

(Prague uses the wiki logo whereas Joburgpedia doesnt mention that it links
to Wikipedia!)

So shout out for Freopedia (and other wikitowns!) as they move across to
WMUK support.



On 16 December 2013 10:57, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

 Fae wrote some code that added a print qrpedia code choice that works on
 all the wikipedias. Museums et Al could cope with this.

 Getting this on the welsh wikipedia...as an experiment would show others
 what could be done. Catalan would also like to do it.

 A competition to design a code that was recognisable as a qrpedia code ...
 And not just a link to marketing BUMPH would be good. Note that freopedia
 are taking no notice and using wiki word art.

 Cheers
 R
 On 14 Dec 2013 10:56, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Plan ahead Geni and have faith!


 On 13 December 2013 20:55, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:




 On 13 December 2013 15:31, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 We are now dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's on QRpedia. The next
 question is how do we make sure the community benefits from it?



 The domain transfer as so far taken 25 days. Given the history here is
 might be wiser to wait until said 'i's and 't's are dealt with before
 moving forward.



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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Articles of Welsh interest

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Hi andy, there is a living paths portal in development where you could
record articles of interest. You can find it by a normal Google search.
There is also a section for images etc...
R
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 Now that we have an active initiative to increase articles relayed to
 the Welsh Coast Path, it occurs to me that some English articles I've
 worked on my be of interest Welsh speakers and our Welsh editor
 colleagues:

   *  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quercus_petraea [the Welsh Oak]

   *  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catrin_Collier [Writer from
 Pontypridd, now lives on the Gower Peninsula - have any of her works
 been translated?]

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Where should the Wikimedia UK Board meet over the coming year?

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Where there are regular wikimeets or major project deliveries during the
year.
On 14 Jul 2013 20:52, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote:

 Cambridge?

 Michael

 On 23 Jun 2013, at 10:53, Chris Keating wrote:

  Hello everyone,
 
  Just wanted to ask if you have suggestions on locations for Board
 meetings over the coming year!
 
  Since we're a national charity we should avoid having meetings in London
 all the time. The AGM was in Lincoln, but prior to that the last non-London
 Board meeting was last September in Coventry. We should aim to meet at
 least twice outside of London in the coming year. If you have any
 suggestions, drop me a line. The criteria are:
 
  * we'd like to go somewhere where there is a Wikimedia-related project
 going on that we can learn about / help with in some way (e.g. the Coventry
 meeting coincided with Wiki Takes Coventry and also with a project at the
 Herbert Museum)
  * it needs to be readily accessible by public transport,
  * we need a good meeting room available for 2 full days and a hotel for
 people to stay in
 
  If you have any ideas let me know!
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership recruitment

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You are right Katherine the key here is the charity and the charity's
mission. Chapters are just a nice device to help the mission along. It
worries me that WMUK is looking at some projects like Joburgpedia (see May
report) and it is taking especial care to say that it isnt supported  by
the chapter - I think this means money. But others may think that money has
become the focus and WMUK is defining itself by the projects led by paid
staff.

Members will follow leadership and this should be directed entirely at the
mission. Sure give them a badge or a pin (but not a job!).


On 2 July 2013 09:54, Katherine Bavage katherine.bav...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 So,

 I was away yesterday and am just coming back to this.

 Can I nudge the discussion back to where it started - are we comfortable
 with the proposals for how we could describe the reasons why different sets
 of people (broadly: editors v non editors) would benefit/enjoy being
 members, AND how we might share these messages appropriately around our
 events?

 I found Fabian's point interesting re: As long as there are enough
 people to maintain WMUK, why do we need to
 worry about recruitment? And if there are not enough people, then
 perhaps there is no need for WMUK? and linking this to broader movement
 goals. However, we're not just a chapter, we're a charity, and we have
 public benefit as a part of that charity's objects. Further, the movement
 itself has expressed the desire to increase the reach of the projects
 coverage and participation in content creation.

 Increasing membership is a valid goal for this organisation because it
 delivers in all these ways - supporting established editors to network, set
 the strategy for the charity and receive micro grants, and drawing in new
 editors from a broader range of perspectives and backgrounds to widen and
 strengthen the established editing community.

 Increasing membership isn't contradictory but complementary to the
 movements broadest and most dearly held goals because it facilitates this.
 So I'd really appreciate input into and support for this work because I
 think it will succeed if we all work on it, including constrictive
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 On 01/07/2013 10:18, James Farrar wrote:

 The total number of votes can be inferred as the resolutions were voted
 on by the same people who participated in the Board election, so 44.


 Overall yes, but not exactly. I can think of a few (e.g. me) that voted
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

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More than willing to talk but there is nothing to say I'm afraid. We missed
the occasion of GLAMwiki and the AGM. I am told that WMUK managed to form a
company but the trustee who had created the agreements left the board at
the AGM. Doug will be missed.

QRpedia is much more relevant to Freopedia, Joburgpedia and Gibraltarpedia.
Over a thousand new articles, lots of plaques and new editors working on
articles in new languages. Our third Featured article of the day in the
next few days and the second QRpedia inspired project should make 1,000
articles next month.

The work at Walsal looks very impressive and there is work in Monmouthshire
as well so progress is being made by lots of people.

R


On 24 June 2013 19:56, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote:

 Following up on this from earlier this month - it still appears that there
 is a delay in the transfer of the domain. Chris, Jon or Roger, please could
 you give an update? Thanks.

 On 8 June 2013 09:48, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi chris, what will the solution be?

 On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Chris Keating 
 chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Hi Andreas,
 
  Yes, of course.
 
  The delay has basically been down to the risk of patent litigation.
 
  At least one Wikimedia chapter has received letters from people who
  purport that QRpedia infringes on various patents.
 
  We do not believe this is the case and do not believe the probability
 of
  being involved in actual litigation is high. However if it did happen
 it
  could be very costly.
 
  So we have been taking advice on how to deal with this risk, and have
  reached a solution which will work.  Roger and Terence have been very
  patiently waiting for this to be sorted out - apologies to them, and
  everyone else waiting for an outcome, for the delay.
 
  Chris
 
 
  Thanks, Chris.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Quick work: The New Art Gallery Walsall's open content used in new book after one week

[Roger Bamkin]

Congratulations Andy. I have also found the artist I think so the same
picture is also now on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ellis_%28engraver%29

cheers
R


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 Last week, the The New Art Gallery Walsall, where I am Wikipedian in
 Residence, uploaded this high-res tiff to Wikimedia Commons:


 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_Lane_at_Hamstead,_Staffordshire.tiff

 I've just learned that, as direct result, it is to be used in a new
 book, the “Flora of Birmingham and the Black Country”, which goes to
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia at The New Art Gallery Walsall

[Roger Bamkin]

Well congratulations Andy - good to see that you are just getting things
done.

The recent board agenda indicates that they have no one assigned to the
task that Geni feels is important. It looks as if they are still struggling
with this as they haven't spoken to me about it since February. Obviously
that is disappointing given the fuss that was made about it.

Anyway much more importantly I really enjoyed the backstage pass that you
set up in Burnley. It was great to see dozens of unfamiliar faces with
people from the museums working closely to create new articles. I see that
ClemRutter has done some great work loading up images etc. The Queen Street
Mill was a real find and I was chatting with people from nearby museums and
museum trainees who seemed interested in finding out what was possible
using Wikipedia.

Walsall looks interesting too and we are planning a trip to come and see
what can be done. I also cannot resist telling you that Gibraltar now has
400 new articles in English making 900 articles overall. I'm particularly
pleased with the support we get locally both in Gib and in the UK.

So well done  again


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 I'm pleased to announce that The New Art Gallery Walsall:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Art_Gallery_Walsall

 where I am currently Wikipedian in Residence, today began to deploy
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Office] [Wikimedia-l] Selection of winning bid for Wikimania 2014: London

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Well done!


On 1 May 2013 20:41, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 Well done to everybody involved - and a massive thanks for all the hard
 work to all of you, Ed and James in particular!

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 Congratulations to everyone who's been involved with the London bid.

 Looking forward to seeing many of you in London next year!


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 Dear Wikimedians,

 On behalf of the Wikimania 2014 selection Jury, after review and
 evaluation of the two final bids, we have awarded the conference to
 London. Congratulations to the London team, and to the Arusha team who
 also put forward a solid effort.

 We were concerned this year to see that both bidding teams put forward
 proposals which were costly and complicated, in contrast to the
 Wikimania tradition. The Jury briefly considered re-opening the bid
 for other teams, and asked both bids to present a simpler core budget
 and lower-cost options for attendees.

 The London team took our comments to heart and decreased their core
 budget to 20% of their initial proposal, and have committed to finding
 ways to reduce the cost for community attendees.

 We encourage future bidding teams to not give up their dreams, to keep
 aiming for the stars, but at the same time, to not forget the spirit
 of Wikimedia: a volunteer movement that makes creative use of limited
 resources. We look forward to the proposed Wikimania Committee setting
 out clearer guidelines on these principles.

 The process to bid for hosting Wikimania requires a substantial time
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedian in Residence

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How many GLAMs are there in the UK? :-)

Keep spreading the news!

On 16 April 2013 11:12, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 Event details are now at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/NAGW

 On 16 April 2013 09:29, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
  Hi folks,
 
  I am pleased to announce that this morning, I start work as Wikipedian
  in Residence at The New Art Gallery, Walsall
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Art_Gallery_Walsall
 
  I hope to have a project page on-Wiki later today, but in brief the
  main part of the project will be running a series of free open events
  for members of the public to learn to edit Wikipedia, and to use the
  gallery's impressive library an archives. Of course I'll also be
  training gallery staff, and advising the management board on their
  strategic approach to open content.
 
  This residency runs alongside my existing residency at Lancashire
  County Council's Queen Street Mill Textile Museum.
 
  I hope to see some of you at one or more of the NAGW events.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Event: Digital Impacts - Crowdsourcing in the Arts and Humanities

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Just registered
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 have any volunteers who would be interested in attending to represent the
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Announcement – QRpedia donated to Wikimedia UK

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Thanks Stevie,

I cannot do News at ten but if Skye want to send a driver ...


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 Hello everyone,

 Wikimedia UK has today published a blog post announcing that the
 technology behind QRpedia has been donated to Wikimiedia UK by Roger Bamkin
 and Terence Eden.

 As a donation from Roger and Terence, the intellectual property in QRpedia
 and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.org domains will be transferred to Wikimedia
 UK, which will maintain and support the development of the QRpedia platform
 for the future for the benefit of the Wikimedia community. Roger and
 Terence will act as honorary advisors to Wikimedia UK in this, as well as
 retaining their moral rights of attribution, but will not receive any
 financial consideration for this. The transfer of the domains will take
 place as soon as the remaining legal details have been resolved.

 Wikimedia UK is grateful for this donation which will allow ongoing
 technical support for a number of Wikimedia-related outreach projects where
 QRpedia is already in use, including Wikimedia UK’s work with the Derby
 Museum and Monmouthpedia, and many others worldwide.

 Full details are available on the Wikimedia UK blog at
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] when qrpedia and qrwp domains will be transferred?

[Roger Bamkin]

The question was how how long is this going to take . I have
estimated weeks. It appears I was wrong to offer this estimate. So any
minute now must be correct then.

Well that was my last update. Thank you (not) for the reception of
information honestly offered. The tech committee debated the transfer of
the domains and many offering their wisdom now could have attended that
meeting and found out what the problems were. You could have asked
questions  and got answers.

There is no real privacy issue. Do we have people who were not at that tech
meeting running around and debating the privacy issue . yes. Do they
know what they are talking about?  ???. Are they causing delays 
yes. Hence my comment about volunteers and meetings.

Sharing your exasperation here is not going to help. Implyng that this has
anything to do with money is very unhelpful and belittles all of us. 
and I do mean all of us. If you are not willing to AGF then I can obviously
offer no reply that will satisfy you.

Now if I or Terence had control it would be transferred already, but we
don't. We have made three agreements so far with the board or their
representatives. You may notice that there are few informative postings
here from board or staff. They are obviously wiser than me. If anyone wants
to write to me in a civil tone and agf then I'd be happy to talk to them.

Oh and thanks to Mike who presumably took my advice and did a WHOIS enquiry
rather than posting here. Thank you particularly Mike for offering thanks
for renewing the domain. Civility and good faith are appreciated.




On 11 March 2013 08:10, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

 On 10/03/13 22:17, Michael Peel wrote:

 qrpedia.org appears to have been renewed for a year - its expiry date is
 now 13-Mar-2014. Many thanks to Terence and Roger for renewing it.


 All those qr codes pasted on buildings and the like with nowhere to go?

 The Meaning of Liff for the 21st Century on 11th March 2013?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Roger Bamkin]

Harry Its not a coincidence that Chris's announcement mentions defining the
relationship with Mpedia and Gpedia. I agree with you. We have dozens of
activists and editors who should be lauded for their work. They have 750
new articles from Cadiz to Marrakesh (literally). The recent videos that
have been published are a good advert and I see that Monmouth have
published a new one too.



On 11 February 2013 17:41, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

 I don't want to set the cat among the pigeons, but does this mean that
 WMUK can now support GibraltarpediA?

 I perfectly understand that things are a bit more complicated when it
 comes to money and formal agreements, but after the wonderful success in
 Monmouth, it would be a shame if the excellent work going on in Gibraltar
 continued to be overshadowed by the controversies about conflicts of
 interest and ownership of QRpedia. I think WMUK could do quite a bit to be
 seen to be supportive, and I think recognition of the project from formal
 entities within the movement (such as chapters) can go a long way towards
 changing the default narrative (to pinch Stevie's phrase).

 All that said, I'm very pleased to see that this has finally been resolved
 and (it seems) with a minimum of acrimony. Hopefully all those involved
 will be happy with what they have contributed to the Wikimedia movement and
 will continue their involvement with it for a long time to come.

 Harry Mitchell
 http://enwp.org/User:HJ
 Phone: 024 7698 0977
 Skype: harry_j_mitchell

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 *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

 What we had is best described as a delay in agreeing terms for the
 donation or similar.

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 On 11/02/2013 14:03, wikimediauk-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
  Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:21:39 + From: Stevie Benton 
 stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk To: UK Wikimedia mailing list 
 wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
 Message-ID: CACti2rKAKugc3dnTC1k+xj+
 l8dv9ugbijybubfhs-goudtl...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset=iso-8859-1 This is something I'm liaising on with the WMF. The
 original copy was put together jointly between WMF and WMUK and I'm keen
 that any revisions are accepted by both sides. I'm hopeful that we can get
 this fixed today. Thanks, Stevie On 9 February 2013 20:40, Andy Mabbett 
 a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
  On 9 February 2013 17:10, Chris Keatingchris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk
 
  wrote:
   The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and
 qrwp.org
   domains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK
  
  It would be a good idea to update
  
  
 http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/02/questions-and-answers-related-to-the-governance-review/
   
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

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@Joe, you are ahead of me. Wikidata is a great opportunity to improve the
successful hit rate when we don't have a translation in icelandic or
whatever. We may not have an article on that Finnish politician but we may
well be able to tell you wikidata stuff that would tell you when she was
born and died. I think I would like that as a good and quick guide to who
she was.

@Tom - The privacy thing is an optimisation but as you say its a finesse to
the security which ha/Davids been 3rd party assessed as good. And I thank
you Tom particularly as you have been helping the project since its
inception.

:@Andy - Attribution? Well of course although though I see in other
conversations elsewhere that you should want to hide that you were backing
a idea in good faith and assuming that if people said it would be made
freely available then they meant it. Thanks very much

@Jennifer - can I buy you a beer? Its so nice to see someone who just likes
good news.

I would like to thank all the people who have created the thousands of new
articles and welcomed the new users and editors we have found. It rightly
belongs to the community.

Roger

On 9 February 2013 23:52, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com wrote:

 If we are looking at refactoring code then we should look at eventually
 moving to wikidata for language links.

 Joe
  On Feb 9, 2013 10:39 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:

 On Saturday, 9 February 2013 at 20:08, Andy Mabbett wrote:
  On 9 February 2013 18:39, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org (mailto:
 t...@tommorris.org) wrote:
   Now this has been transferred to Wikimedia UK, would it be possible to
   remove the access logging on QRpedia to ensure it complies with both
 the
   letter and spirit of the WMF privacy policy.
 
 
  Is it possible to do that and retain the aggregated, anonymised
  statistics which GLAM institutions and others deploying QRpedia find
  useful? These may be analogous to Wikipedias page view stats.



 That seems highly reasonable. The current issue is that the QRpedia
 database has a complete log of which IPs looked up which pages and when.

 (Which is fine, I'm not blaming Roger or Terence. That's a perfectly
 reasonable thing to do with something you are starting. This isn't a
 security hole or a privacy intrusion, it's a standard thing anyone would do
 when building a project like this. But now it has reached a point of
 maturity and is being taken under the wing of WMUK, we need to ensure that
 it is compliant with the expectations of Wikimedia users.)

 We need to anonymise the access data, aggregate it and then delete the
 non-anonymised, non-aggregated data. I'm happy to fling code around and
 figure out a way to do this. I've had a look at the existing code and it's
 easy enough to understand. We could probably do with refactoring some of
 the code too.

 I'd suggest that it would be best for WMUK to adhere completely with the
 Foundation's privacy policy (mentally substitute chapter and WMUK in
 the relevant places) even if the chapter is not formally bound by the
 Foundation policy (I'm not a movement policy wonk, I don't know). In
 addition, not holding on to access logs but only aggregate, anonymised data
 means that we minimise the potential for problems under the Data Protection
 Act or wider European data privacy law.

 I'd suggest that we resolve these issues as soon as possible. The QRpedia
 transfer was rather a slow process, it'd be nice if now that the transfer
 has been agreed, we can make sure that we resolve these kinds of issues in
 the next week or so (I rather prefer fixing issues when they exist only in
 my head rather than when people are shouting like maniacs). As I said, I'm
 happy to provide patches and code review in the next few days.

 WMUK staff/trustees: are there any plans for transferring the source code
 over to Wikimedia infrastructure (Gerrit etc.)?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

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Why thank you Andreas, Joe etc

On 9 February 2013 17:51, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks indeed. Good luck to all going forward.

 Andreas


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 Thanks to all involved. This sounds like a good solution.

 Joe
 On Feb 9, 2013 5:10 PM, Chris Keating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk
 wrote:

 Dear all,

 I am pleased to announce that Wikimedia UK has reached an agreement with
 Roger Bamkin and Terence Eden regarding the ownership of QRpedia.

 The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and 
 qrwp.orgdomains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will maintain and
 support the development of the QRpedia platform for the future. Roger and
 Terence will act as honorary advisors to Wikimedia UK in this, as well as
 retaining their moral rights of attribution, but will not receive any
 financial consideration for this.

 I am very pleased we have reached an agreement. I look forward to
 Wikimedia UK working to support QRpedia's future development. This includes
 defining our future involvement with the MonmouthpediA and GibraltarpediA
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Voice Intro Project

[Roger Bamkin]

Clever idea Andy, lets hope it  becomes popular
Maybe people could leave a voice sample, a picture? and

*the option of having any of their remaining intellectual property rights
to be given to the world in the event of their death. - ie no 70 years of
waiting for a useful but valueless orphan image
*
Is their a lawyer who thinks this could be done? I was hoping an idea like
this might encourage people to rethink some the idea of slapping copyright
messages on your holiday snaps. Sorry of thats a bit off subject

R

On 8 February 2013 13:56, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 How can the UK chapter support the project I started:


 http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/open-licensed-format-recordings-voices-wikipedia-wikimedia-commons/
 

 asking the subjects of Wikipedia articles to record a 10-second sample
 of their speaking voice, for use on those articles?

 An example script is Hello, my name is [name]. I was born in [place]
 and I have been [job or position] since [year].

 So far, the participants:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Voice_intro_project

 include Alice Arnold, Sue Black, Quentin Cooper, Corrie Corfield, Cory
 Doctorow, Jack Schofield, Bill Thompson and Dave Winer; and we've just
 had our first recording in French - but we need many more.

 Of course, this isn't limited to article subjects, and it would be a
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 their voices, so they can be identified in conference calls and
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Voice Intro Project

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Surely its the same problem that you have with a photograph - and that
doesnt appear to be a big problem of people putting up the wrong picture.
AGF? 

On 8 February 2013 22:24, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 That certainly hasn't been an issue so far, not least as most have
 been OTRS verified.

 On 8 February 2013 21:12, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
  How do you verify that it really is them?
 
  On Feb 8, 2013 1:57 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
 wrote:
 
  How can the UK chapter support the project I started:
 
 
  
 http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/open-licensed-format-recordings-voices-wikipedia-wikimedia-commons/
 
 
  asking the subjects of Wikipedia articles to record a 10-second sample
  of their speaking voice, for use on those articles?
 
  An example script is Hello, my name is [name]. I was born in [place]
  and I have been [job or position] since [year].
 
  So far, the participants:
 
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Voice_intro_project
 
  include Alice Arnold, Sue Black, Quentin Cooper, Corrie Corfield, Cory
  Doctorow, Jack Schofield, Bill Thompson and Dave Winer; and we've just
  had our first recording in French - but we need many more.
 
  Of course, this isn't limited to article subjects, and it would be a
  good idea if board members and chapter staff would consider adding
  their voices, so they can be identified in conference calls and
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Where are we with QRpedia?

[Roger Bamkin]

Just seen the story, well done for getting those corrections. Thanks

Roger

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 Thanks Stevie.

 On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Stevie Benton
 stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 Thanks Andreas and John. I'll get corrections made ASAP.

 Stevie

 On Jan 31, 2013 7:59 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:

 Freopedia is spelt wrong.

 John Vandenberg.
 sent from Galaxy Note

 On Jan 31, 2013 6:34 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

 There is an article on Wales Online today, Wikipedia: How a project
 launched in Monmouth has gone global, that requires some corrections.

 ---o0o---

 Roger Bamkin is director of Wikimedia UK. Wikimedia is the body that
 operates Wikipedia.

 Read more: Wales Online
 http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/need-to-read/2013/01/31/wikipedia-how-a-project-launched-in-monmouth-has-gone-global-91466-32713327/#ixzz2JXIb7GFQ

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 Jon

 It does seem extraordinary that nobody seems able to write out a summary
 of what these arguments are.

 We are not asking for this information because we think it will lead to
 an acceptable agreement more quickly; we are asking because we want to 
 know
 what is being done on our behalf.

 Joe


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 On 21/01/13 17:10, Jon Davies wrote:


 However I do not think an acceptable agreement will come any more
 quickly if we rehearse the many and complicated arguments on this list.


 How did we get get here then?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language

[Roger Bamkin]

Oh don't undersell the welsh Wicipedia - its the most popular web site
in Welsh and we get access to Education ministers and top cultural
bodies.

But Peter, thanks for finding that detail. Nice to see the spread of languages.

On 30 January 2013 16:49, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:
 I can see a case for Wikimedia or Wikimedia Poland doing something about
 that. But I would advise against a UK based organisation trying to involve
 itself in the Republic, especially on such a contentious issue as the second
 language of Ireland.

 WSC


 On 30 January 2013 15:54, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Related note: There are more native Polish speakers in Ireland than native
 Irish speakers. We may be able to inspire something to happen there too.


 On 30 January 2013 15:04, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:


 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/polish-becomes-englands-second-language

 Anything we can do to get more UK-resident Poles editing?

 Do we have any idea of edits to pl:wp from the UK?


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fw: WikiConference 2013 Speakers

[Roger Bamkin]

Firstly - Good summary WSC

Geograph is basically a wiki for images. You take a picture. You load it to
Geograph and specify where the item is and where you were standing when you
took it. The picture is then looked over by someone to check its not a
picture of your thumb. THe picture is categorised in a way similar to
commons. Points are awarded based on the rarity of the picture (no one has
taken a picture there before). The site attracts a lot of happy snappers
and people who like to get points. Its a great idea and its worked. YOu may
not find a great picture of extly what you want .. but then there are
lots of pictures still to load and lots that require better categorisation.
On the latter - there has been a lot of improvement. If you compare it to
panaramio which is Googles tool for getting people to donate geotagged
images then Id say that the quality is not as good but the quantity of
images is much better by Geograph. I look at images on Google Earth for
Morocco and there is an occasional picture of maybe one settlement in 6.

However I agree with WSC's final para (as well) and although it would have
been nice to see Geograph run across the world, it appears that WLM has the
brand and momentum. (And their prizes are impressive).

HTT
R

On 20 January 2013 13:51, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Can someone give me a quick overview of how geograph works and how the
 images are taken?

 I ask this because a number of images from my home town are poor quality,
 and incomplete (I can locate less than 5 notable buildings photographed in
 the town, when the real number is circa 20-30).

 When I say poor quality I don't necessarily mean low res etc. but of
 poor photographic quality; for example a monument in the centre of the town
 is photographed from about half a mile away across the roofs of several
 buildings (although you can drive/walk right past it...).

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] state of qrpedia

[Roger Bamkin]

We've been ready to get something in order for some time now and the
difficulties, which I am not that clear on, seem to be on the WMUK side

Roger

On 20 January 2013 17:38, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:

 would it be possible to reveal the main obstacles why this is not yet
 settled?

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  Well thats a timely question. A deal was agreed in July with the UK
 board's
  representative and their Chief Exec and a contract was drawn up. Before
  Christmas the UK board said that they wanted to re-negotiate and wanted
 to
  create a new contract. As you can iimagine this was disappointing and we
 did
  not want to go through that process again. The board has recently agreed
  that it will endeavor to create a binding deal and they have delegated
 two
  board members to restart the process.
 
  However, QRpedia remains available for anyone to use and we have projects
  including those in Australia, France, Spain, Gibraltar, Germany, India,
  Estonia and Tunisia, These will continue to be supported for ever at no
  cost.
 
  Hope that helps
 
  On 20 January 2013 14:58, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com
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  hi,
 
  what is the current status of qrpedia? is at already recommended to
  use it again in wikiland?
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] state of qrpedia

[Roger Bamkin]

Good question - I wonder whether that's what WMUK are considering?

Roger

On 20 January 2013 20:07, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Roger, thanks for that update. Would I be correct in understanding that
 you are intending to retain the QRpedia website and presumably brand? If so
 presumably we will need a new brand for our QR codes and should stop using
 the term QRpedia except when referring to the site currently used to
 generate QR codes?


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 On 20 January 2013 18:08, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

 We've been ready to get something in order for some time now and the
 difficulties, which I am not that clear on, seem to be on the WMUK side

 Roger


 On 20 January 2013 17:38, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote:

 would it be possible to reveal the main obstacles why this is not yet
 settled?

 On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com
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  Well thats a timely question. A deal was agreed in July with the UK
 board's
  representative and their Chief Exec and a contract was drawn up. Before
  Christmas the UK board said that they wanted to re-negotiate and
 wanted to
  create a new contract. As you can iimagine this was disappointing and
 we did
  not want to go through that process again. The board has recently
 agreed
  that it will endeavor to create a binding deal and they have delegated
 two
  board members to restart the process.
 
  However, QRpedia remains available for anyone to use and we have
 projects
  including those in Australia, France, Spain, Gibraltar, Germany, India,
  Estonia and Tunisia, These will continue to be supported for ever at no
  cost.
 
  Hope that helps
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fw: WikiConference 2013 Speakers

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We gave a prize to Geograph as Wiki of the year - they should respond to us
if we use the right address

On 20 January 2013 19:29, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:

 On 20 January 2013 19:16, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com
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  Where the Geograph outscores WLM is that they aren't time limited, some
 of
  their photographers have uploaded images from decades ago, and they cover
  the same object in different seasons. I think that makes them more
  compatible with Wikipedia, September foliage can hide some of the
 features
  we want to photograph, winter snow can highlight earthworks and other
  archaeology, past events are best illustrated with old photos, and
  waterfalls in particular are much better illustrated with minigalleries
  showing winter spate next to summer trickles.

 Isn't WLM also non-time-limited? They have to be *submitted* to the
 contest (and Commons) in  a specific month, but older images are still
 acceptable - see for example the Israeli winner, which was taken in
 the winter of 1992.


 http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/11/29/wiki-loves-monuments-2012-the-israeli-finalists/

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikiConference 2013 Speakers WLM

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I think it should be note that Geograph pictures *were* badly organised. A
bot has made substantial improvements to their categorisation. At one time
we were had stopped moving images because of the poor categorisation. The
bot may allow us to import a few hundred thousand more. (my opinion only).
This is the work of one volunteer to bring c. 2 million images into better
use.



On 17 January 2013 08:47, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 I hope to have them in place by the end of March at the latest - is this
 too late?


 On 16 January 2013 23:15, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:

 On 16 January 2013 17:39, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  John - you are in the office tomorrow - let's draw up a plan as to what
  needs to happen and make it one of the first tasks of the new GLAM
  organiser.

 Would this be too late? They will probably not be around before the
 start of April (assuming a month notice/moving/etc), and the reference
 plan has WLM well along by then:


 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Timeline

 That said, it would certainly be an interesting project to get them
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fw: WikiConference 2013 Speakers

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Suggest someone talks to the owner of
http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/site/about (Who I dont know)


Looks like this person has the expertise and the interest to do something
and we may find we have a wiki activist. Awarding a temporary contract to
someone who knows that can be done would be a good solution.

On 16 January 2013 23:08, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:

 On 16 January 2013 20:38, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:
  I remember the discussion (though I didn't remember the mention of the EH
  list).
 
  I suppose we could try asking them nicely to give us the list in a more
  useful format, but even if we could import just the name of the
 building, it
  would be a start.

 I had a chat with Richard (N) about this today and we concluded it was
 probably worth asking again to see what was available and/or if they'd
 be interested in being involved in some way - WLM was an astounding
 success last year and getting involved for the UK might catch their
 attention ;-)

 Incidentally, has anyone run across this site?

 http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/site/about

 They seem to be using the same EH/etc data sources, but have assembled
 it into something usable. The same guy has produced

 http://www.ancientmonuments.info/site/about/

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Lunch tomorrow

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I have a meeting at 1 in London so will come early if train permits

R

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: The National Gallery Archive is now online

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Thanks for the tip

On 26 November 2012 11:31, Andy Mabbett pigsotw...@gmail.com wrote:

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 I’m delighted to be able to tell you that we have placed our archive
 catalogue online.  It would be great if you could take a look at it and let
 me have any feedback.

 You can search the Archive at:
 http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/archive/search

 We also have a short survey about the National Gallery Archive, and our
 new online search tool. So that we can improve or service, it would be
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 https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/archive-search-tool-survey

 I hope that you like what we have done.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Operation Cowboy: OpenStreetMap editathon in London

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Hi Katherine,

Five minutes with someone via Skype or in person is worth five hours of
trying to figure it out. Once you know what is required then its easier
than Wikipedia.

Roger



On 14 November 2012 15:39, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 I can offer training in OSM editing, using the JOSM tool, if that's needed.


 On 14 November 2012 14:46, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:

 I recently sat down and figured it out myself, for what it's worth, but
 it took quite a few hours of hmm, is this what I'm meant to do?.
 Documentation (especially on editorial decisions) is often sparser than
 on Wikipedia, so it's easier to feel a bit lost as to what you're meant to
 be doing and whether you should code something as A, B or C.

 It feels a bit to me like Wikipedia in 2005-6 - you can figure out what
 you're doing with a bit of effort, but you're never quite sure how it's
 going or if someone else approves.

  - Andrew.

 On Wednesday, 14 November 2012, Katherine Bavage wrote:

 Sadly I'm not in London that weekend :(

 However, as I said on Sunday Tom, I'm a n00b with OSM stuff but I'd like
 to be able to log in for an hour or two and do my part remotely. Is this
 really feasible i..e to 'learn how to map' if you're not there?

 If not, no worries, I don't doubt this will be a success and I'd be keen
 to help/join another event in future!

 Kat

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 Over the last day or so, I've been working on putting together a new
 event in London, Operation Cowboy. The plan is for it to be the weekend
 after next, which is very soon, I know.

 http://lanyrd.com/2012/cowboy-london/
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_OPC2012

 Operation Cowboy is a plan for an all-night OpenStreetMap editathon
 (mapathon!) focussed around improving OpenStreetMap for the United States,
 an area OpenStreetMap is known to be not quite so good (compare San
 Francisco with London: on OpenStreetMap, damn near every pub, bar and shop
 in central London is on the map, in San Francisco, it's not nearly as 
 good).

 Though the best mapping we can do generally involves getting a GPS out
 and walking or cycling the streets yourself, there's plenty of work that
 can be done to improve OSM from your armchair.

 You can read more about Operation Cowboy at:
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Operation_Cowboy

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 Wikimedians and others who haven't played around with OpenStreetMap and
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Media training available for volunteers

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Don't worry Steve, I understand John is quite a nice chap. I ddn't want to
see a good place go vacant. Cheers

On 14 November 2012 11:04, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 Roger, I'm afraid Mr John Cummings bagged the last spot while he was in
 the office yesterday. I will add you the list as first reserve so if
 someone can't attend for whatever reason, the spot is yours.

 Thanks,

 Stevie


 On 13 November 2012 17:33, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sgn me up Stevie!


 On 13 November 2012 09:53, Stevie Benton 
 stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 Hello everyone,

 I have one space remaining for this. If you'd like to take part please
 do let me know soon.

 Thank you,

 Stevie


 On 31 October 2012 17:17, Stevie Benton 
 stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 Thank you for the clarification.

 There are no plans to introduce a group known as accredited
 spokespeople or anything like that.

 As I say, not attending won't mean we'll ask you not to speak with the
 media - I'm not looking to restrict anyone's voluntary activities, but
 support them.   That said, I do think it is useful for anyone who speaks
 with the media who isn't trained to seriously consider taking advantage of
 this opportunity if they can. From my point of view, it's obviously better
 and more effective for those dealing with the media to be trained - but it
 isn't a requirement.

 Thanks,

 Stevie


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 AIUI, only accredited trainers will be eligible to undertake certain
 Wikimedia-UK training projects

 I wanted to be clear (as I suspect is sensibly the case) that no
 similar restriction for accredited spokespeople would operate.

 Cheers,

 A.

 On 31 October 2012 16:57, Stevie Benton 
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  Hi Andy,
 
  Thank you for your email.
 
  I'm glad you like the look of the course. I designed it with the
 training
  provider to meet the needs of volunteers who may speak with the
 media from
  time to time because of their programming work.
 
  I'm not sure what you mean regarding accreditation for trainers I'm
 afraid -
  could you clarify please?
 
  Not attending won't prevent a volunteer from speaking with the
 media. It's
  about empowerment, not restriction. Attending will enhance the
 skills and
  confidence of volunteers in dealing with the media, and make them
 more
  effective in their use of the media and promotion of their work. Of
 course,
  the office is here to support volunteers in that as well!
 
  I do hope this helps but am happy to answer any other questions
 people may
  have. Do please remember that places are limited.
 
  Thanks and regards,
 
  Stevie
 
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  On 31 October 2012 16:40, Stevie Benton 
 stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk
  wrote:
 
   I just wanted to remind you of the availability of media training
 for
   our
   volunteers who may come into contact with members of the press.
 Please
   do
   take a look and, if you;re interested, please do let me know.
 
  The course outlined looks like a very good one.
 
  I'm already comfortable with speaking to the media; I've had similar
  training in my past professional life, and a fair amount of
 experience
  (for Wikimedia and elsewhere), so I wouldn't want to take up a p\ace
  that would surely be of more benefit to others,
 
  Please can you confirm that not attending won't prejudice a
 community
  member from being put forward to speak to the media (c/f
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Media training available for volunteers

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 are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] qrpedia.org and qrwp.org

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Its good to see people who are supportive. Thank you to those who are
supporting and defending WMUK

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 I grabbed the source, Luke...

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet 63

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Last time I booked the downstairs room (for the EGM) - we arrived and the
weekend staff didn't know about it. Suggest we pay in advance.

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 Sunday November 11th, at the Penderel's Oak.

 http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Meetup/London/63http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/63

 Downstairs room booked?

 Cake ordered?

 Wikimedia UK will be 4 years young on Monday 5th November, and this
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedian in Residence: Staffordshire Archive Heritage Service

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Congratulations Andy, look forward to seeing the Hertage service (Lodewijk
for service you can read department)) making bold changes!

Best wishes
Roger

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 thanks a lot for the announcement. Please forgive me the lazy and perhaps
 silly question, but what exactly does ' heritage service'  in this context
 refer to? I'm not looking for an elaborate definition, but rather whether
 it is primarily physical stored heritage (small objects), buildings or
 intangible heritage.

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 Staffordshire museums, to increase staff awareness of Wikipedia, train
 them to edit, and make recommendations for future public engagement
 (e.g. editathons), as well as planning a larger project to follow.

 I shall create a Wikipedia project page once I am in post.

 Naturally, I hope that the use of QRpedia, and the release of some
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Proposal of trustees collective responsibility

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I am obviously unaware of the reasons why the board in camera rejected my
offers of resignation. However I have confidence that it was rational
rather than emotional.

On 8 October 2012 11:43, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do *you* have any evidence for that?
 On Oct 8, 2012 10:45 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 It is clear that the board protected Roger. It is not clear that they did
 so because of an overfamiliarity among the board. I think they probably
 thought they were just being supportive colleagues.
 On Oct 8, 2012 10:36 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

 On 08/10/12 10:35, David Gerard wrote:

 On 8 October 2012 09:09, Andy Mabbett pigsotw...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Oct 7, 2012 8:24 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

 It seems clear that being friends allows a group to protect an
 individual,
 when that person (e.g. Roger Bamkin) should asked to consider his
 position.
 It appears that he was protected.

 You've obviously seen some evidence that the rest of us have not.
 Perhaps
 it's time you shared that with us.


 +1

 Gordon, you've been called on unsubstantiated sniping before. If you
 have something to say, say it.


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 Did the board reject Roger's resignations in the past?


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Proposal of trustees collective responsibility

[Roger Bamkin]

One thing that needs preserving here is not knowing who voted for what
(where there is a conflict of interest). Without this then your mate may
not feel free to vote the way that s/he thinks is good for WMUK. The whole
point of excluding those who have declared COI is to allow the other
trustees to vote without influence from the excluded trustee.

Roger

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 Couldn't you just say not a good idea?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Proposal of trustees collective responsibility

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I was only suggesting this where there was a COI. Most votes ( should be
free and could be declared publically). I find t difficult to believe that
anyone is going to be influenced by friendship actually - my proposal was
designed to prevent trustees from being accused of being influenced.

Roger

On 7 October 2012 14:25, Jan-bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi

 So I would strongly argue the other way around. Voting transparency is
 important to ensure that the rest of the movement has insight into the
 votes of different board members (which could influence them to select you
 as a board member the next time around)

 If you are someone's mate then you probably have a COI is as well, and I
 would assume you would also recuse yourself...

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 One thing that needs preserving here is not knowing who voted for what
 (where there is a conflict of interest). Without this then your mate may
 not feel free to vote the way that s/he thinks is good for WMUK. The whole
 point of excluding those who have declared COI is to allow the other
 trustees to vote without influence from the excluded trustee.

 Roger

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 Couldn't you just say not a good idea?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Joint statement with the Foundation

[Roger Bamkin]

Tom,

Neat, insightful, philosophical. Its tricky to decide how best to describe
your considered contribution maybe empathetic?

I can see with 20/20 hindsight see lots of things I did wrong or could do
better. The most recent was to offer some comments here. Apologies to those
who might have liked a longer discussion.

R

On 2 October 2012 20:14, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Since you still don't understand what you did wrong, I think you made the
 right decision by resigning.
 On Oct 2, 2012 7:58 PM, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I've taken a while to respond for a number of reasons. As Tom M notes
 this is upsetting. The other reason is that I'm not reading all of this
 because as Tom says its sticky. I'm sure that when he says  but the
 solution is not to use the charity to pay your wage he didnt mean that as
 I think he already knows that is not true. However its lines like that that
 make the newspapers and the courts which Is one reason why words like
 unfortunate and other underestimations can be useful. As it is I think
 that some have used words that overestimate the problems and I'm having
 difficulty in thinking thats this is not accidental.

 I don't intend to defend my statement line by line. It isnt meant to be a
 vindification. Its meant to be informative to those people who are
 interested in my understanding of what went on. I don't mention that I gave
 so much free time to get a tear but to avoid some people thinking that this
 was a plan driven by money. (If it is then its a poor plan)

 One can always blame poor communication but we (WMUK) were trying our
 best to be transparent and as far as I can see all information that is
 being discovered was always available. You can always argue that it wasnt
 well advertised but I'm not sure that we could have done more (in some
 cases) than issue a press release about me standing down as chair because I
 was working for MCC or that the Government of Gibraltar was funding
 Gibraltarpedia with Roger and John as assistants. WMUK were being informed
 and they were reacting to these events to try and ensure that the situation
 was understood and properly managed.

 So for example wrt imperfect communication I didn't read Tom's breakdown
 until now, and for that I apologise. If someone wants a particular point
 addressing then do feel free to email me direct.

 Roger



 On 29 September 2012 22:58, Thomas Morton 
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 On 29 September 2012 22:57, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 29 September 2012 22:55, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com
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  review, to make sure we are doing enough to safeguard the reputation
 of not
  only ourselves as a charity but the Wikimedia movement as a whole.

  Chis, I would hope it has nothing to to with reputation! And
 everything to
  do with doing things properly and with correct ethics.
  Reputation won't be a concern in those circumstances!


 The decision appears to be everything to do with reputation.


 Yes. My point precisely.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] (no subject)

[Roger Bamkin]

Hi Fabian,

Just thought I'd note that I have not read Tom Morton's note. Obviously I'm
not reading all the stuff that is being posted at the moment. Do make sure
that you don't just publish an open letter and forget to tell the
addressee.:-)

cheers
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On 30 September 2012 23:24, fab...@unpopular.org.uk wrote:

 Hi all,

 I would like to thank Thomas Morton for his well thought explanation
 addressed to Roger (Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:51:10 +0100). It covered a number
 of points I felt need addressing and Tom put them in a useful and tactful
 way - much better than I could have hoped to do.

 However, I would like to address some ramifications of this.

 This is one reason why charities are often run by older, retired, types
 who
 do not need to go out and earn a living.

 Quite so. However, one of the consequences of the phenomenal success of WP
 is that the potential development of where we are now has created space
 for activity beyond that which WMUK as a charity is best placed to carry
 out.

 a) Wikiversity has a great potential, however the development of such a
 repository of Open Educational Resources (OERs) will be very slow without
 people being paid - not so much for editing but for delivering teaching
 which uses WV as a platform, creating OERs free for other people to use.
 The dynamic for this is quite different from WP and Wikicommons.

 I have not been involved in all the sister projects, but suspect that they
 will each have their own dynamic, which needs to be addressed in its own
 terms.

 b) Linked to a) is the delivery of training in how to use WP. It seems to
 me very straight forward to see WV as an ideal platform for this. There is
 also much to be learnt from WikiEducator, which uses a Mediawiki in
 conjunction wit the moodle software.

 c) Another aspect of this is that I have noticed that some of the people
 who attend WMUK training sessions are people who are employed by learned
 societies as Social Media Officers. While I find volunteering to train
 other volunteers quite attractive, when it comes to giving time freely in
 order help in the training for paid workers of organisations I am
 confident that i am not the only person who finds this a bit awkward.
 Likewise as we welcome academics who stipulate that their students achieve
 certain goals in order to pass a course, this to me creates a market for
 delivering training outside a volunteer - to -volunteer framework.

 Aside from the problems which have arisen from Roger being a trustee, I
 think the work he has done is amazing and really innovative. I would like
 to see it continue. However what I feel would really facilitate this is
 the creation of a not-for-profit social enterprise which would provide a
 structured way in which innovations like QRpedia could be placed in
 relation to both WMUK, WMF and the broader community.

 I feel that our community has an amazing range of diverse talents, and
 that if the possibilities provoked by WPs success are to be realised, then
 we need to develop a way in which the ethos of unpaid editing of WP itself
 can be balanced with other roles which are emerging which are peripheral
 to editing but which can greatly enhance WP and its sister projects.

 I hope that the recent experiences at WMUK will stimulate a discussion
 about how such a social enterprise might be set up, how the ethos of
 collaborative working and sharing of resources might be taken forward, how
 this can be done in a way which does not disrupt the very success which WP
 has enjoyed, and how such a social enterprise can contribute towards
 fundraising for WMUK to deliver its charitable goals.

 If such a discussion is got going now, there is some prospect that we
 could have a concrete proposal which has been mulled over by the community
 in time for the next AGM.

 As Tom said:

 Bottom line; you (as a board), we even, fucked up. Not maliciously, but
 very badly. You lost sight of the wider objective.

 But it's not something to beat each other up over. Learn from it, make
 improvements, move on.

 I am proposing this as a way of moving on in a way which keeps people like
 Roger with their brilliant ideas involved but not as trustees.

 all the best

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Joint statement with the Foundation

[Roger Bamkin]

I have been encouraged to issue statements for the last week or so about
the debate. I have resisted as I did not want to escalate what I saw as an
unfortunate bit of publicity for Wikimedia UK and the Foundation. I'm very
disappointed to see the latest press release  I believe that the statement
on my talk page on the English, Catalan and Simple Wikipedia supplies some
background.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Victuallers

In retrospect we could all give the board and me better advice. I have
tried to remain loyal to you, the mission, and the board. I have made less
money working for the mission then I would have done elsewhere, and I
think I have also shared in extending our reach. I've visited many
countries and  talked with five of six ministers from Gibraltar, Wales and
the British Parliament about WMUK. You know I worked as an unpaid
wikipedian in residence and you may have guessed that I turned down paid
work last year to concentrate on leading the WMUK board during my last
term. That was costing me too much money and so with the board's agreement
I stood down so that Monmouthshire County Council could make the
exceptional step of paying me. They did not do this lightly and they had to
get special agreement from their elected members that in this case it was
worth stepping outside their normal employment procedures to save
Monmouthpedia. This is well documented.

As my statement shows both the board and the Foundation should have been
aware of the public statements that were made. I have heard it claimed that
the Foundation were unaware - but I resigned as chair of the UK chapter.
Someone must have read the reason. I was very clear when you re-elected me
as a board member that I had and would continue to have business interests
like Monmouthshire County Council. (I have to eat). We may have been
mistaken, but it was a joint and informed decision.

It seems a long time ago when I was in Haifa and we were told that the
Foundation did not want WMUK to take part in last years fundraiser. But we
did and that made us several hundreds of thousands of pounds. Our current
exec can take a lot of credit for achieving that.

best regards
Roger


On 28 September 2012 23:41, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 There were plenty of large countries on that list, although media
 attention is likely to spread further when it originates in English, that's
 true.

 On Sep 28, 2012 11:37 PM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
  On 28 September 2012 23:20, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  On Sep 28, 2012 11:11 PM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   There is, an will always be, the option to donate to WMUK rather than
 WMF even if WMUK isn't the default payment processor anymore.
  
   What I can certainly see is a fragmented 2012 fundraiser, with
 certain donors staying with WMUK and others switching to WMF because that's
 where the default landing page now points them to. Lots of returning donors
 will be very very confused either because they can't gift-aid their
 donations, or because two Wikipedia organisations are asking for their
 money at the same time.
 
  What will happen is exactly the same as what happened in the countries
 where the foundation took over fundraising last year which was, indeed, los
 of people being very confused and not understanding who it was they had
 just given money to.
 
  The foundation will need to be very clear about its messaging. I would
 recommend a prominent notice on the landing page that the WMF is not a
 registered charity in the UK, so that there can be no claims that they have
 misled donors.
 
 
  The main difference here is, I believe, that the UK donor base is much
 larger than the countries whose payment processing was taken over by WMF
 last year. And they speak English. Therefore the media outcry from the
 confusion is likely to be much louder.
 
  From a regular reader-donor's point of view, being confused about where
 their money went to is almost certainly worse than learning that some
 trustee is involved with a conflict of interest scandal, weirdly, between
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Debating issues

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Obviously be interested in this debate. I think another possibility is to
use a UK wiki talk page as a basis for the talk. One problem is agenda as
WSC notes its very easy to have 4 parallel threads which just prevent any
resolution or understanding of more than one thread.

I'd be up for Jon's beer idea too

*Oh and REXX - Foundation trilogy was one of my favourites although
Asimov's later extentions to link the story with his robot series was a bit
forced. I'm just reading SNOW CRASH by Neal Stephenson. Great book. In his
world the Library of Congress has joined with CIA records to be a kind of
wiki source where people load up facts and gossip to share with the world.
- Its an addictive read* - e.g. The main character is called Hiro
Protaganist and he delivers Pizzas in a guarenteed 30 mins or you can shoot
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 I've taken part in some of the IRC office hours. The format works OK if
 everyone is being positive and just wants to question one person.

 It isn't so good if either the subject is so complex as to spark debate in
 various directions or the subject matter is contentious and tempers get
 frayed.

 So in the circumstances I'd suggest either a Wiki RFC or an in person
 meeting

 WSC

 On 27 September 2012 15:59, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 People seem to want to meet face to face and exchange real words - can't
 imagine why? Perhaps the visit to the pub afterwards?


 On 27 September 2012 15:47, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 Set up an UK office hours on IRC like the Foundation does. By the way,
 did you ever read Asimov's Foundation? They thought they were writing an
 encyclopedia as well.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_%28novel%29#The_Encyclopedists

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 I have had two email conversations this morning about hot and often
 perennial issues around editing, ethics etc.  It strikes me that there is
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] CityCamp Coventry

[Roger Bamkin]

I can see Richard's point although in this case the conference is free
although I guess there is still transport. I'm quite willing to pick up
Harry if it makes some kind odf sense (I'm there all three days) I'm
willing to be the reserve speaker or to share or whatever

Roger

On 25 September 2012 17:26, Richard Symonds 
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Thanks for the email Harry - I'm sorry to hear that people are worried
 about our expenses policy. Any concerns should go to Jon.

 I think that in this case, we weren't as clear as we could be when sending
 out the initial email. I think that the policy is applied thoroughly and
 fairly, and it's being used for this event.

 We've been invited to speak at the conference for 20 minutes, on one day -
 we're thus happy to cover expenses for that day. However, as we're not
 actually required for the other days, I don't think that accommodation
 overnight for anyone - staff or volunteer - would be in line with our
 charitable objects.

 We can fund people to speak at the conference, by all means: that would be
 well within our objects (we'd be teaching people about Wikimedia). People
 are welcome to stay for all three days on their own time, of course, but I
 don't think that attending the entire conference is really something that
 Wikimedia UK could fund using donor funds.

 Richard Symonds
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 On 25 September 2012 16:57, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

 I'm sure this isn't your fault, Hasina, but this is something that's
 getting on my nerves, and those of other volunteers. We have an expenses
 policy (
 http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Finance_Policy_2012#Reimbursement_of_Expenses),
 which specifies when the chapter will cover expenses and what expenses they
 will cover. For people to start applying their own, contradictory policies
 is only going to confuse matters and is likely to lead to the kind of
 confusion that the office was (at least in part) established to prevent.

 If the policy is inadequate, it should be modified, but until it is, it
 should be applied to every case.

 Harry Mitchell
 http://enwp.org/User:HJ
 Phone: 024 7698 0977
 Skype: harry_j_mitchell

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 *Sent:* Tuesday, 25 September 2012, 14:12
 *Subject:* [Wikimediauk-l] CityCamp Coventry

 Dear Wikimedians,
 Wikimedia UK has been invited recently invited to an event in Coventry on
 19 October - CiyCamp Coventry (www.citycampcov.org.uk). CityCamp aims to
 encourage and enable local government, businesses, community organisations
 and academia to share knowledge, web technologies and experience to help
 shape the future of Coventry.
 This event will be held on Friday 19 October 2012 at 13:00 till Sunday 21
 October 2012 at 16:30 at the City Council Offices. We have managed to get a
 slot to speak on the Friday afternoon at 3pm, for 20 minutes. If anyone
 is free and would like to discuss Wikimedia UK's work at this event, please
 let us know as it would be great to engage with as many people as possible
 about sharing knowledge.

 We could be able to cover your travel, but not the accommodation, so this
 might be an ideal opportunity for a person based locally. Please let me
 know if your are free to attend the whole weekend or just to go and speak.
 I will be looking forward to hearing back from you.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Paid editing by Roger Bamkin

[Roger Bamkin]

Name change of my user account? That is an odd request. I did look at the
policy and it says
Talk to the user

If you see a username that is problematic but was not obviously created in
bad faith, politely draw the user's attention to this policy, and try to
encourage them to create a new account with a different username. If you
want, you can use the
{{subst:uw-usernamehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Uw-username
}} or 
{{subst:uw-coi-usernamehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Uw-coi-username
}} template for this.

I'm sorry if I'm not replying to all the inquiries here, but there are a
lot. I chose Victuallers Ltd as its the name I am associated with and I
wasn't aware that it had a promotional value. Changing my user name is not
an issue if it causes hassle. (I would in retrospect have chosen my own
name to edit under.) Can some send me the link of where this user name
debate is in progress?

I realise that this is a very interesting debate but do try and remember
that these facts that are being discovered are public knowledge. The
project was announced at Wikimania, no less, with a video that set out the
projects plans and expectations. The video made it clear that the minister
for tourism was involved and that this was not a WMUK project. The project
does not involve me in being paid to create articles. I am creating plaques
based on QRpedia, I am supplying training and I am encouraging people to
use and edit wikipedia (and open street map et al).

The ownership of the QRpedia domains has been documented in WMUK minutes
and it was obvious when I made a presentation at the Wikiconference in 2011
(before I was elected as a director). As Chris has noted the transfer of
the intellectual property to WMUK has run on for months. There is no
conspiracy. The rights to QRpedia are intended as a gift and cannot be just
demanded.

Those who voted for me and/or attended the last  wiki AGM/conference are
aware that I was (and am) offering my expertise as a consutant. These are
the same skills as I was paid for at the end of the Monmouthpedia project.
All of this was overseen by the board. The COI conflict meant that I gladly
stepped down as Chair but I was asked to stay on as a board member. The
board agreed to manage the COI conflict, which I am obviously pleased to
comply with.

I'm hoping that a lleast clears up some of the debate.

regards

Roger Bamkin (prev. known as Victuallers?)






On 19 September 2012 07:59, Doug Weller dougwel...@gmail.com wrote:

 I see a request to block Roger's User:Victuallers account as it is in
 contravention of our Username policy on promotional names -
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Username_policy#Promotional_names

 Normally for an account this old (2007) we might not ask for a change
 of name, but given the circumstances I think a name change might be a
 good idea.

 Doug Weller


 On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
  I've located some more information about Geovation now by myself:
 
  https://challenge.geovation.org.uk/a/dtd/119163-16422
 
  Wales Coast Path only: What theme of the challenge does your idea
 address?:
  3. Community engagement What problem are you trying to solve? : Green
  tourism: what's around me? What makes it different?
 
  How will your idea work? : There are two parts, fist we meet local groups
  and show them how to add information onto a Wikipedia page: and that's
  really simple! Secondly we show them how their articles can be geotagged.
  The best part is enjoying a walk down the path with a smart phone, with
 any
  AR tagged articles shown through the camera, informing the User (tourist
 or
  local) about what's around them: history of that unusual building or
 where's
  the nearest Young Farmers Club? What's the name of that mountain, and
  where's the nearest toilet! Take a look at MonmouthpediA on Wikipedia and
  multiply it by 10!
 
  How will it provide a solution to the Challenge? : It's the best answer
  possible! The local WI (or Merched y Wawr) will bring along old
 photographs,
  which would be scanned in and uploaded, and their locations geotagged.
 They
  would learn new skills on how to edit existing articles and how to create
  new ones. The local chapel could write about the history of their chapel,
  and so could the local cafe - including the opening times! Schools could
  show off their latest Brochure for Parents and even nature clubs could
 write
  about the local habitats. This is about: bringing people together in
 order
  to inform walkers, cyclists and joggers what's around them.
 
  What is the stage of development? What help and investment you need to
 build
  it?: Because Wikipedia is so simple, it's ideal for this project.
  Communities know about the geography and history, and culture of their
 area
  MUCH better than an app writer or web-author sitting in his office in
  Manchester! Wikimedia UK would be asked to run the scheme, employing
  Wikipedians, just

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Paid editing by Roger Bamkin

[Roger Bamkin]

 2012 07:59, Doug Weller dougwel...@gmail.com wrote:

 I see a request to block Roger's User:Victuallers account as it is in
 contravention of our Username policy on promotional names -
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Username_policy#Promotional_names

 Normally for an account this old (2007) we might not ask for a change
 of name, but given the circumstances I think a name change might be a
 good idea.

 Doug Weller


 On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I've located some more information about Geovation now by myself:
 
  https://challenge.geovation.org.uk/a/dtd/119163-16422
 
  Wales Coast Path only: What theme of the challenge does your idea
 address?:
  3. Community engagement What problem are you trying to solve? : Green
  tourism: what's around me? What makes it different?
 
  How will your idea work? : There are two parts, fist we meet local
 groups
  and show them how to add information onto a Wikipedia page: and that's
  really simple! Secondly we show them how their articles can be
 geotagged.
  The best part is enjoying a walk down the path with a smart phone,
 with any
  AR tagged articles shown through the camera, informing the User
 (tourist or
  local) about what's around them: history of that unusual building or
 where's
  the nearest Young Farmers Club? What's the name of that mountain, and
  where's the nearest toilet! Take a look at MonmouthpediA on Wikipedia
 and
  multiply it by 10!
 
  How will it provide a solution to the Challenge? : It's the best answer
  possible! The local WI (or Merched y Wawr) will bring along old
 photographs,
  which would be scanned in and uploaded, and their locations geotagged.
 They
  would learn new skills on how to edit existing articles and how to
 create
  new ones. The local chapel could write about the history of their
 chapel,
  and so could the local cafe - including the opening times! Schools
 could
  show off their latest Brochure for Parents and even nature clubs could
 write
  about the local habitats. This is about: bringing people together in
 order
  to inform walkers, cyclists and joggers what's around them.
 
  What is the stage of development? What help and investment you need to
 build
  it?: Because Wikipedia is so simple, it's ideal for this project.
  Communities know about the geography and history, and culture of their
 area
  MUCH better than an app writer or web-author sitting in his office in
  Manchester! Wikimedia UK would be asked to run the scheme, employing
  Wikipedians, just as the National Library does in London... and the
 National
  Museum etc. Their help would be crucial. Welsh Wicipedians have also
 shown
  their enthusiasm and would filter out any unwanted vandalism.
 Wikipedia has
  a proven track record: why re-create the wheel all the time? It's an
 app
  which is already installed on most iPads and iPhones! Pure and simple.
 
  Neighbourhood Challenge only: How would you use Ordnance Survey data
 in your
  solution? : See below.
 
  Wales Coast Path only: How will you use geographic information in your
  solution? : Yes! Geotagging on Wikipedia is so easy! One line and the
 whole
  article pops up! Through Layar (invisible to the User), we would view
  through the camera's phone what's around us, and automatically a
 number of
  Wikipedian Ws pop up wherever the article's location is. For
 example, an
  User takes a look at a cluster of mountains, and immediately the W
 shows
  that there is an article written, so the user chooses a mountain with
 his or
  her finger and they're straight into the article! And not just Cymraeg
 and
  English: there are over 250 languages on Wikipedia. All articles would
 be
  geographically and traditionally (OS) tagged.
 
 
 http://www.geovation.org.uk/teams-win-innovation-funding-wales-coast-path-challenge/
 
  Living Paths – Roger Bamkin and Robin Owain of Monmouthpedia were the
 pair
  behind this idea which will allow communities along the path to create
 a
  Wikipedia page and post stories about their communities allowing
 diverse
  local information to become accessible. Awarded: £17,500.
 
  As I see it, this is a programme whereby Wikimedia UK pays Wikipedians
 to
  get members of the public to become volunteer editors. You can see it
 as an
  editor recruitment programme, and as a programme to secure unemployed
  Wikipedian friends paid employment. There has been practically no
 discussion
  of this on wiki to date.
 
 
  Andreas
 
 
  On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Thomas Morton
  morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
  Hmm, well this is getting Murkier still. Have people violated these
  principles.
 
  Someone on Jimbo's talk linked to this article:
  http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=25440
 
  Which:
 
  a) Identifies Roger as WMUK director with implication he is acting in
  official capacity
  b) Says that Gibraltar approached WMUK
 
  I appreciated this is the media, so inaccuracey is likely. But I

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Paid editing by Roger Bamkin

[Roger Bamkin]

Hi Nick,

Nice to meet you. What a pleasure it is to meet someone who assumes that we
all trying to do something clever and difficult in the best possible way.
Maybe you'd like to stand for the board?

Thanks for making me smile and appreciate that some people do appreciate
what we do. As David says we do have an active field of critics.

So thanks for clapping. I shall have to go as I must work and I see that
someone else is queuing up to have their nine penny worth

very high regards
Roger

On 19 September 2012 15:43, Nicholas Jackson
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 On 19 September 2012 14:13, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would ask that you resign from the board.


 Perhaps it's not my place to say this, but here goes anyway. I've edited
 Wikipedia articles on and off for a few years, but after attending a couple
 of absolutely splendid local outreach events I was inspired to actually
 join the UK chapter and subscribe to this mailing list.

 In the two or three months I've been lurking here, I've witnessed two
 campaigns for board members to resign, and I have to say I'm beginning to
 wonder quite what sort of organisation I've joined.  I know almost nothing
 about the background to either of these cases, and to be honest I don't
 really think I want to know.  Maybe the critics do have a point, after
 all.  Certainly the trustees of a charity should behave with decorum and
 integrity, so I wouldn't want to gainsay any legitimate attempts to hold
 them to account.  But it seems that all the necessary information was made
 available to the voting members well before the election, and they
 collectively decided that they'd still rather elect these people to the
 board.  So in the absence of compelling further evidence, which this
 doesn't appear to be, I'd have thought that's that until the next election.

 I'm on the board of a small educational charity myself, and I'm very glad
 that I and my fellow trustees don't have to put up with constant sniping
 from the sidelines, calls for our resignation, or suspiciously-timed
 articles appearing in the national press.  If we did, I'd almost certainly
 just say to hell with it, and walk away.

 I suppose my question is: does this sort of politicking actually serve the
 aims of Wikimedia UK at all, and if not could it perhaps stop soon?  It
 just seems as though all this infighting does far more damage to the
 reputation of the chapter than the fact that one of the trustees was
 temporarily banned, under somewhat questionable circumstances, from editing
 Wikipedia, or that one of the other trustees might have got a handful of
 free leaflets in connection with a pretty cool-sounding outreach initiative
 he's working on.

 Anyway, if you'll excuse me, I've got a stack of other things to do this
 afternoon so I'm going to get back to them.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Paid editing by Roger Bamkin

[Roger Bamkin]

Hi Tom, being busy means I don't have time to answer every email
immediately. As you can see I try and get there eventually.

Actually I think you'll find that questions can be both rhetorical and
facetious. However if I am creating or editting Wikipedia articles then you
can be sure that I am not being paid and its in my own time.

HTH
Roger

On 19 September 2012 20:19, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 19 September 2012 15:33, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:
  This is a one stop shop Tom, I'm going to respond to your points but I do
  have other things to do so don't bother bouncing more points

 I'm afraid being busy doesn't excuse you from being accountable. While
 you may not value this conversation, if it is important to members
 then it has to be important to you.

  4. Lack of demarcation - I agree. I frequently end up doing WMUK work in
 my
  own time. How do you and Tom D avoid it? Sorry rhetorical question as I
  don't expect a reply.

 That's not a rhetorical question, it is a facetious question. All of
 my Wikimedia-related work is done in my own time because I am not paid
 for anything relating to Wikimedia. If I were paid to do something
 relating to Wikimedia, then I would be very careful to distinguish
 between my paid work and my voluntary work. That is what you are
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Paid editing by Roger Bamkin

[Roger Bamkin]

Tom, I'm not criticising you. I very often edit wikipedia to de-stress or
whilst trying to resolve more difficult problems. The problem of
demarcation can be a tricky one as to which task you are doing if you
resolve one problem whilst doing another. If its a pure 9 to 5 job then it
can be simpler, but many of us are finding a working day somewhere outside
the hours of sleep.

best

On 19 September 2012 21:11, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 19 September 2012 20:46, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi Tom, being busy means I don't have time to answer every email
  immediately. As you can see I try and get there eventually.
 
  Actually I think you'll find that questions can be both rhetorical and
  facetious. However if I am creating or editting Wikipedia articles then
 you
  can be sure that I am not being paid and its in my own time.

  I often do work for my employer outside of regular office hours. It
 is (in theory!) my own time and I don't get paid any extra for it.
 That doesn't mean I'm not working for my employer when I'm doing that
 work. Demarcation between paid and voluntary work isn't as simple as
 the clock striking 5pm.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Template for United Kingdom en.Wikipedians

[Roger Bamkin]

I think this is a brillin idea. Suggest an alt title is WMUK projects.
Might add scots, Gaelic s , welsh link etc
Think t would be good to add this to bottom of each project page footer,
but title May read wrong, but agree that primary aim is to attract editors

Roger
On 13 Sep 2012 14:51, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I had a go at one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:UK_quick_links
 Please add any links you think are missing!

 It only includes a few of the largest/most active WikiProjects so as
 not to overwhelm the template, but I did also give the full list at

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:UK_Wikipedians%27_notice_board#Related_projects
 a refresh.

 Pete / the wub

 On 8 September 2012 11:30, Richard Symonds
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  The UK events page should be linked in one, if one were to be created!
  Richard Symonds
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  Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
  Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
  Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
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  United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
  movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
  operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
 
  Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
 over
  Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
 
 
 
 
  On 7 September 2012 20:13, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
 wrote:
 
  Do we have a template like:
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Canadian_quick_links ?
 
  If not, what links could we usefully include in one?
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Talk-GB] State of the map Scotland - Speakers and Sponsors

[Roger Bamkin]

If you write to i...@wikimedia.org.uk then they should be able to make
small sums of money available to openstreetmap

Roger

On 29 August 2012 17:03, Andy Mabbett pigsotw...@gmail.com wrote:

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 From: Bob Kerr openstreetmapcraigmil...@yahoo.co.uk
 Date: Aug 27, 2012 1:31 PM
 Subject: [Talk-GB] State of the map Scotland - Speakers and Sponsors
 To: talk...@openstreetmap.org talk...@openstreetmap.org

 Hi,

 This years State of the map Scotland is a slightly different affair than
 last years due to a larger venue.

 We are splitting both days into two, morning and afternoon. In the
 afternoon we are requesting speakers from other GIS or professional
 organisations to come in and speak about their work with maps. These talks
 do not have to be about Openstreetmap or free data but it would be good if
 there was some connection. This will allow us to use the conference as a
 meeting of minds between volunteer mappers and professional groups. We have
 16 30 minute slots available in the two days and two conference rooms. This
 will be the formal side of the conference, The mornings will be reserved
 for Openstreetmappers in the non conference format.

 Details of the Conference here

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_Scotland_2012

 If anyone knows of any groups that would like to speak please let me know.

 We are also looking for some small sponsorship to pay for Edinburgh
 University Staff who are needed to let us in.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] I'm giving talk in Hamburg, Thursday 23rd August

[Roger Bamkin]

Good luck Andy!

On 14 August 2012 19:53, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 Do pop along if you're nearby:


 http://kultwerkwest.de/content/volunteering-wikimedia-why-work-free-evening-andy-mabbett-pigsonthewing

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Plaques

[Roger Bamkin]

I suspect the cost is not for the plaque, but for the installation and
permission etc. But anyway - lets see if it wiorks !

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 Have just checked: we do have a contact there. We'll get it to you
 tomorrow.

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 On 6 August 2012 22:56, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 6 August 2012 22:37, Richard Symonds
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  QRpedia plaques were less than £100 each (I forget the exact figure).
 Add
  20% for losses, repairs, updates, breakages (this is central London)...
  Andy, would you be willing to get in touch with English Heritage?

 Yes; do we have a contact there?

 Also, be aware that bodies other than EH also erect BPs - in
 Birmingham, it's the Birmingham Civic Society (with whom I'm already
 in discussion).

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Plaques

[Roger Bamkin]

So Monmouth plan to put up twice as many plaques as London next year ...

On 6 August 2012 23:13, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

 I suspect the cost is not for the plaque, but for the installation and
 permission etc. But anyway - lets see if it wiorks !


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 Have just checked: we do have a contact there. We'll get it to you
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 On 6 August 2012 22:37, Richard Symonds
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  QRpedia plaques were less than £100 each (I forget the exact figure).
 Add
  20% for losses, repairs, updates, breakages (this is central London)...
  Andy, would you be willing to get in touch with English Heritage?

 Yes; do we have a contact there?

 Also, be aware that bodies other than EH also erect BPs - in
 Birmingham, it's the Birmingham Civic Society (with whom I'm already
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Last-minute reminder: Coventry meetup on Sunday

[Roger Bamkin]

 Im on family duties - I hope to come to the photo shoot

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 Hi folks,

 In the rare few minutes that I'm borrowing a working laptop, I'd like to
 remind you all of the Coventry meetup, which is being held in the Litten
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 onwards.

 Coventry is nice and easy to get to in the car or on public transport, so
 if you're free on Sunday, please do come along!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [GLAM] Website Ts Cs

[Roger Bamkin]

I've borrowed lots of images from this site that are clearly out of
copyright. This site makes the general assumption of copyright where in
some cases there is no legal support for that position.

On 29 July 2012 23:12, Cynthia Ashley-Nelson cindam...@gmail.com wrote:

 In my opinion? Revolutionary. ;)

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 I want to use an image from this website; but I'm not sure if the Ts 
 Cs are compatible with an open licence:

 http://www.revolutionaryplayers.org.uk/terms.stm

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Roger Bamkin]

Mike Peel is in SF at their offices

On 1 August 2012 12:57, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 Only two benefits?!

 On 1 August 2012 12:31, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  The foundation at a senior level have been kept informed every step of
 the
  way. That is one of the benefits of having Stevie Benton in post (the
 other
  is he makes good coffee in an uncomplaining sort of way).
 
 
  On 1 August 2012 12:27, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On 1 August 2012 12:24, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I am assuming the Foundation is aware of the situation - do we have
   confirmation that they are? If not, it would be a good idea to notify
   them as a courtesy (they have a tendancy to get annoyed if we don't
   tell them stuff...).
 
 
  It's reached the comcom list. They're redirecting queries to
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 1814-1839 prison execution journal

[Roger Bamkin]

not sure about the scalability of this proposal. If we want free
information then we need to avoid feeding the market. These guys are going
to charge just to glance at an out of copyright book with a camera. If the
charge is a pound then we can't afford that model when we look at all
possible books (and neither can Africa)

Roger

On 1 August 2012 13:49, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 1 August 2012 13:29, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote:
  Scanning and promoting the use of the images and text for the public
  benefit. Then selling the book at either little loss or a likely
  profit for the charity once we have a lot of public attention on it.

 Slight amendment after thinking over a cup of tea - I would prefer to
 see it donated to the British Library (or some another worthy public
 archive) for the permanent public benefit, rather than resell. This
 fits better with the Wikimedia UK mission and the receiving
 institution might even help with archive quality digitization.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Derbypedia?

[Roger Bamkin]

I am aware. His views are unusual but it seems that here we are looking
for a publicist . and he has the CV for that

I'm not known for my subtelty but Derby needs the guy from V for Vendetta
to explain. Its very busy putting up posters about Derby being the city of
invention with microsoft tags on them ...

TBH they did amend the signs that said they were QR codes 

On 31 July 2012 13:04, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Unfortunate, unless I am reading his article wrong, that he's a bit of a
 quack...

 Tom

 On 30 July 2012 13:48, Doug Weller dougwel...@gmail.com wrote:

 We had an interesting tour of Derby Saturday run by Richard Felix, who
 seems to be the chief tourism booster in Derby and a real enthusiast.
 See his website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Felix and our
 article on him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Felix

 I mentioned Monmouthpedia and he was fascinated. He also seems to be a
 great fundraiser, and very upset at the lack of plaques on buildings.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] University WiR job description

[Roger Bamkin]

Chris, Panyd wrote one for Manchester Uni which I can't trace but Mike Peel
may have a copy of. This may be useful I believe she is still in USA

R

On 28 July 2012 11:34, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've started work on a University Wikimedian in Residence job description,
 and a business case for the university. Please do have a look and add
 anything I've missed;


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[Wikimediauk-l] Welsh Education Minister

[Roger Bamkin]

Robin Owain and I met Leighton Andrews (today) who is the Education
Minister for Wales. The meeting arose out of the work that we are doing in
Wales. This means Monmouthpedia and the Welsh Wicipedia (yes its spelt with
a c). The meeting lasted less than 45 minutes but we covered


   - Who we are?  About WMUK, WMCY, Monmouthpedia. We noted especially that
   WMCY is the leading web site in Welsh.
   - Welsh phone. There is no phone that will switch truly into Welsh. We
   had already tried getting his officials to ask and Google had said maybe.
   Leighton agreed to ask personally.
   - Welsh encyclopedia. There is a bilingual Welsh and English
   encyclopedia that was published in the last few years. Leighton said he
   would see if the copyright could be released to grow WMCY.
   - Could Wales be the leading nation for information freedom? Leighton
   said he would challenge his fellow ministers with this question.
   - The minister said that he was supportive of the idea that information
   should be made commercially available freely. ie CC BY SA
   - He would ask the Heritage minister about what could be done to free
   more data.
   - Note: There is an experiment currently in progress to release 150
   images from multiple sources to Wikimedia Commons. The objective is to find
   out why thousands more images could not be freely released. This is a WMUK
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Welsh Education Minister

[Roger Bamkin]

I guess so  although WMCY is a possibility for the future

On 9 July 2012 21:29, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you mean WPCY rather than WMCY?
 On Jul 9, 2012 11:06 AM, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

 Robin Owain and I met Leighton Andrews (today) who is the Education
 Minister for Wales. The meeting arose out of the work that we are doing in
 Wales. This means Monmouthpedia and the Welsh Wicipedia (yes its spelt with
 a c). The meeting lasted less than 45 minutes but we covered


- Who we are?  About WMUK, WMCY, Monmouthpedia. We noted especially
that WMCY is the leading web site in Welsh.
- Welsh phone. There is no phone that will switch truly into Welsh.
We had already tried getting his officials to ask and Google had said
maybe. Leighton agreed to ask personally.
- Welsh encyclopedia. There is a bilingual Welsh and English
encyclopedia that was published in the last few years. Leighton said he
would see if the copyright could be released to grow WMCY.
- Could Wales be the leading nation for information freedom? Leighton
said he would challenge his fellow ministers with this question.
- The minister said that he was supportive of the idea that
information should be made commercially available freely. ie CC BY SA
- He would ask the Heritage minister about what could be done to free
more data.
- Note: There is an experiment currently in progress to release 150
images from multiple sources to Wikimedia Commons. The objective is to 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WTM] Updated Fri July 6 NYC itinerary

[Roger Bamkin]

harry! most of the uk list are still in the uk

On 6 July 2012 20:34, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

 My profuse apologies for cross-posting, especially to those of you who
 aren't in New York.

 However, I have now arrived at HI New York (room 414). Is anybody about?
 If so, do come say hi. If not, directions on where to meet eeryone and ow
 to spot them would be greatly appreciated. :)

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 *Subject:* Re: [WTM] Updated Fri July 6 NYC itinerary

 Should anyone in HI wanna gather at the lobby first at 10:00AM or 10:30AM?

 On Friday, July 6, 2012, Pharos wrote:

 Reminder about Friday's two main NYC meetup points:

 At 11am, we meet at the planetarium entrance of the American Museum of
 Natural History.

 At 5pm, we meet in the lobby of the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

 See details below.

 Thanks,
 Richard
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  Here is the updated NYC itinerary for Friday July 6, note especially
  that the meetup entrance at the American Museum of Natural History has
  been changed:
 
  ***11am meetup*** at American Museum of Natural History - Rose Center
  Planetarium Entrance (81st St. between Central Park West and Columbus
  Ave.) - note meetup entrance has been changed - this one is the
  planetarium with the giant sphere in the glass box building.  We will
  be getting complimentary admission to the museum, special exhibits and
  also the great planetarium show if people want to see that.
 
  After AMNH, Manhattan ramble and Central Park stroll until the Met.
 
  ***5pm meetup*** at Metropolitan Museum of Art lobby (Fifth Avenue at
  82nd St.).  The Met is pay-what-you-wish.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] DHOXSS

[Roger Bamkin]

I agree  looks great. We do have some links to OII as we gave them the
uk wiki edu of the year prize. I'm meant to be talking there in a few
months. However this course looks like the kind of thing I wish I could
gate crash.

We do need to make sure we don't get overtaken and our valuable stuff is
included in the future  who ever writes it.

R

On 5 July 2012 08:17, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.comwrote:

 Which is to say http://digital.humanities.ox.ac.uk/dhoxss/, a summer
 school in digital humanities. My intuition is that we need to connect
 GLAM with DH as soon as possible, as one part (there are others
 clearly) of getting a sustainable GLAM 2.0 model.

 I'm not sure about how to do that, but I think I'm going to continue
 asking for a bit. I normally march in the opposite direction from
 anything saying semantic web. But I'd be very interested to know how
 WMUK does for contacts in this area of endeavour.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Can I get wikimedia-uk to buy a ROV?

[Roger Bamkin]

I think there is some second guessing going on here so I'll have my guess
at what Geni wants to do.

It is possible to not want to dive or to take pictures  but to get
involved in this as an open source project. If that was the case then it
may still hold water (sorry).

As Richard notes, we'd need more of a description to say yae/nae. Question
I'd ask myself is would this be gathering dust under somebody,s bed?

However we do have difficulty in finding good projects to fund can you
describe one to us?

R

On 5 July 2012 13:40, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 One of the problems with this is that the ROV doesn't quite exist yet.
 Cost would presumably be £500+ ish, and I think it's an awesome project,
 but it really does need a proposal (with justifications, approximate costs,
 possible uses) to be made to the board. We also need to ask how much the
 upkeep would be, and if there's anyone in the community who can look after
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 On 5 July 2012 06:40, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote:
  I still think it is logical to start with establishing a photography
  interest group

 It might be worth talking to Peter Weis in Haburg; he's involed in a
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Can I get wikimedia-uk to buy a ROV?

[Roger Bamkin]

Hmm that does look fun . and useful. Make a case?

On 4 July 2012 18:51, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:

 Kickstarter project has got their money:


 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/openrov/openrov-the-open-source-underwater-robot

 If they manage to create a marketable product could WMUK be persuaded
 to buy one? There are wrecks and marine life we need pics of and I
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [OSGeo-UK] FOSS4G is coming to Nottingham!

[Roger Bamkin]

An important conference. The organisers might consider trying to get a
Wikipedian involved. (I know one in Nottingham, who is also active in OSM)
They also might consider asking WMUK for financial assistance if required.

cheers
Roger

On 25 June 2012 11:47, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:



 FYI,

 No website for 2013 as yet, but see...

 http://2012.foss4g.org/

 http://foss4g.org/

 Context:

 1) Open Source, Open Knowledge, Open Data.

 2) A major international conference comes to the UK.

 Gordo



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  As you may have heard, FOSS4G will be coming to Nottingham in 2013! Our
 heartfelt thanks to anyone who helped with the bidding process,
 particularly those people that wrote a letter of support for the bid. Keep
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  Thanks again

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Copyright of images on 'Britain from the Air' website

[Roger Bamkin]

Andy, we are very pally with Royal Commission on the Ancient and
Historical Monuments of Wales...

I'm encouraging them to release 150 pics that are both in and out of
copyright about copyright. They say they will release much more after this.
I think they will listen to your argument. The experiment shound finish is
3 months.

Should put pressure on rest of UK if this trick comes off

Roger

On 29 June 2012 22:01, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 Not quite - the legalities section says  The images, information and
 data featured on this website are subject to Crown Copyright and other
 Intellectual Property Rights held by the Partners and Individual
 Contributors as indicated.

 Bit of a pain, but I suspect that the copyright of most of the image is
 murky at best :s

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 The site says Crown Copyright.

 On 26 June 2012 12:24, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
 wrote:
  I don't think so - I think they're probably still copyrighted to the
  Aerofilms collection...
 
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  On 26 June 2012 12:10, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 
  You may have seen a buzz on social media in the last couple of days,
  about a new website, 'Britain from the Air':
 
 http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/
 
  which features http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/about-project:
 
 images from the Aerofilms collection... Dating from 1919 to
  2006... purchased by Royal
 Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland,
  English Heritage
 and the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments
  of Wales... in 2007.
 
  The site-wide copyright statement, on
  http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/legalities, is somewhat
  ambiguous:
 
 The images, information and data featured on this website are
  subject to Crown Copyright
 and other Intellectual Property Rights held by the Partners and
  Individual Contributors as
 indicated. There are also copyrights relating to the database
  itself and to the design, structure
 and code employed in the website.
 
  Has anyone found an image on the site with a copyright notice
  excepting it from the default Crown Copyright?
 
  Presumably, the use of Crown Copyright means that we're at liberty to
  use images that are over 50 years old,  like this 1928 shot of
  Birmingham:
 
 
 
 http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw022585?search=birminghamref=10
 
  on Commons and Wikipedia?
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Underground gets Wi-Fi, but....

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+ 1

Monmouth has hassle free access to all wiki sites and doesnt even ask for
Terms and Conditions.

We should support Hassle free access to WiFi as its in line with the free
bit

Roger

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 On 9 June 2012 08:35, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
  On 08/06/12 08:40, Andy Mabbett wrote:

  London Underground stations are to get Wi-Fi, which will be free
  until end of Olympics. After that, free access will be limited to
  the Virgin portal and TfL travel news:

  Perhaps we could ask for Wikipedia to be included in that free access,
  post-Olympics?
 
  In all languages? With a QR code (QRpedia) at each station?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK's coolest projects

[Roger Bamkin]

@Andrew - some reasons why

@Jon. Well you'll get quite a bit of push back from the French/German's et
al on 3 if not phrased well. They were awake too during the blackout.

Adding in *multi-lingual challenges* is a good idea if you want the popular
vote. Anastasis Lvova from Russian wrote 200 articles. This idea was used
in Russia, Spain, USA, Netherlands etc etc. We have a map of world showing
where QRpedia is used and its pretty global.

Getting *registered charity status* was the hard thing to do *the fund
raiser* was brilliant because we had this. Our Wikimedian of the year, John
Byrne, took leading role with Steve Virgin. We extended the law to do this!
We ran an EGM.

*Monmouth*. First agreement between a public body and WMF and WMUK. First
wiki-town. £1m benefit. Most of the articles were not in English. We did
first WMUK work in Wales and befriended the Welsh wicipedia. We now can
claim to support two Wikipedias. We have 6 PhD students studying what was
done! Steve Virgin crowd sourced P.R, Show them the animation!.

*WIR at the British Library*. A decent wage and externally funded. Thats a
long way from the first ones where WIR's funded the work themselves in
previous year.

*GLAM in general* - Lots of events, Coventry, GLAMcamp, Amsterdam, QRpedia
hit the news #2 WMUK media story, This Week in GLAM, the idea was used for
Wiki loves Monuments photo exhibitions, ARKive

*Staff and Office*. Andrew Turvey took leading role here driving it through
to make sure we have 5 staff and a spare desk. I know this is covetted and
was hard for us as volunteers to do, but not sure it will attract popular
votes.

*Green for reporting*. We were the only chapter!

*Wikimeets* - We are not Wikimedia London (although they did well as well)

On 7 June 2012 09:45, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Have just received the HMRC registration forms so about to make first Gift
 Aid claim.

 For my three..

 Monmouth - volunteers and innovation

 Opening an office with staff (this is BIG in wiki terms and other chapters
 want to follow)

 Leading the movement during the Black-out for eight hours while San
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 Becoming a registered charity is pretty cool (we were already a charity).
 Have we had our first cheque back from the taxman of money reclaimed under
 the terms of Gift Aid? If so that would be good to mention.

 WSC

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 On 6 June 2012 16:12, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
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  Short version: What are our three coolest projects between Wikimania
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  and Wikimania 2012?

 Monmouthpedia, of course but also, separately, the spread of QRpedia
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK's coolest projects

[Roger Bamkin]

It was quite a big story Jon throughout the world.

Voting - whether real or imaginary it is important. The coolest project
has to have some popular appeal I would say. Do we think WMDE are cool
because they have 20 staff? ... or because they have launched the first new
Wiki project for years? Definately the latter in my view - and they are
using people from around the world.

On 7 June 2012 10:49, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Is there voting?!

 The black out was only the EN version so not sure how big a story it was.


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 @Andrew - some reasons why

 @Jon. Well you'll get quite a bit of push back from the French/German's
 et al on 3 if not phrased well. They were awake too during the blackout.

 Adding in *multi-lingual challenges* is a good idea if you want the
 popular vote. Anastasis Lvova from Russian wrote 200 articles. This idea
 was used in Russia, Spain, USA, Netherlands etc etc. We have a map of world
 showing where QRpedia is used and its pretty global.

 Getting *registered charity status* was the hard thing to do *the fund
 raiser* was brilliant because we had this. Our Wikimedian of the year,
 John Byrne, took leading role with Steve Virgin. We extended the law to do
 this! We ran an EGM.

 *Monmouth*. First agreement between a public body and WMF and WMUK.
 First wiki-town. £1m benefit. Most of the articles were not in English. We
 did first WMUK work in Wales and befriended the Welsh wicipedia. We now can
 claim to support two Wikipedias. We have 6 PhD students studying what was
 done! Steve Virgin crowd sourced P.R, Show them the animation!.

 *WIR at the British Library*. A decent wage and externally funded. Thats
 a long way from the first ones where WIR's funded the work themselves in
 previous year.

 *GLAM in general* - Lots of events, Coventry, GLAMcamp, Amsterdam,
 QRpedia hit the news #2 WMUK media story, This Week in GLAM, the idea was
 used for Wiki loves Monuments photo exhibitions, ARKive

 *Staff and Office*. Andrew Turvey took leading role here driving it
 through to make sure we have 5 staff and a spare desk. I know this is
 covetted and was hard for us as volunteers to do, but not sure it will
 attract popular votes.

 *Green for reporting*. We were the only chapter!

 *Wikimeets* - We are not Wikimedia London (although they did well as
 well)


 On 7 June 2012 09:45, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Have just received the HMRC registration forms so about to make first
 Gift Aid claim.

 For my three..

 Monmouth - volunteers and innovation

 Opening an office with staff (this is BIG in wiki terms and other
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 Leading the movement during the Black-out for eight hours while San
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 Jon




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 Becoming a registered charity is pretty cool (we were already a
 charity). Have we had our first cheque back from the taxman of money
 reclaimed under the terms of Gift Aid? If so that would be good to mention.

 WSC

 On 6 June 2012 21:49, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 6 June 2012 16:12, Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

  Short version: What are our three coolest projects between Wikimania
 2011
  and Wikimania 2012?

 Monmouthpedia, of course but also, separately, the spread of QRpedia
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Main page seen by library users - where is Wikipedia?

[Roger Bamkin]

I think they are getting value and price confused. I see they have quite a
few paid for services.

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 The screenshot at:

  http://twitpic.com/9trfss

 shows the first page seen by anyone using a computer in a library in
 my home city, Birmingham.

 There are a lot of popular websites listed - but Wikipedia isn't there!

 Maybe we could all check out our local libraries, for similar pages,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The BBC finally notices...

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Tom, I have asked the producer if he can fix that - Roger

On 1 June 2012 01:16, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Finally, some vague notice by the BBC of Monmouthpedia:

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01jlg4d

 Whoever wrote the summary doesn't seem to quite understand, though...

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia press release: Technological landmark for award-winning Birmingham Moor Street station

[Roger Bamkin]

QRpedia has been reviewed very positively wrt security. The review notes
that the qrwp.org re-routing and that the urls are human readable as good
points. hmmm QRcode email spam? Is the takeup of QR codes that
enthusiastic? I'd be curious to see their scan rates :-)

On 30 May 2012 10:18, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 30 May 2012 10:12, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

  QRPr0n codes?


 Real-world porn spam. Spammers are already putting QR codes in email spam
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A V Denham

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Its the community's job to improve the wiki projects. WMUK didn't put a pin
in the map to chose Monmouth. The board backed a man with a plan. It does
this frequently and I believe the offer is open to ladies too.

A person, a university, a club or a business can suggest that the board
fund work in line with our mission. There are a large number of cities that
could do with more attention. We now have a model of what a town might look
like when its (kind of) finished And we know that we can do the mission
one town at a time.

Roger

On 22 May 2012 22:35, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

 On 22/05/12 10:30, Edward at Logic Museum wrote:


 Does WMUK actually have any serious intentions about improving the
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia - press coverage so far

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I think thats one of the things we are finding out. So far we have lost
three articles to non-notability. Some others may be merged in time. But
its not lack of articles.

There is an open invite to help today and to just attend the celebrations
tomorrow. I can't get over walking around a town that has 60 banners saying
its working with Wikimedia UK. Press coverage at 3 tomorrow in the Shire
Hall, but come and try some of the Wikipedia trails around the town and
marvel at the Welcome to Monmouth signs saying Worlds First Wikipedia
Town. Hope to see you tomorrow.

On 18 May 2012 08:59, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

  On 17/05/12 15:12, Stevie Benton wrote:


 I'm sure you all know about Monmouthpedia by now.

 Yes, indeed. I wonder if you extrapolated forwards, how big or how small a
 thing has to be before it received attention in the English Wikipedia. As
 Wikipedia expands, articles and projects might be created for smaller and
 smaller units. That is a country article, a region article, a town article,
 a street article, and finally a street address article. Will every address
 (32 million I believe) in the UK have an article in Wikipedia? Probably not.

 My example is absurd, of course. But my question is what is the
 granularity of articles? Some places, buildings, streets are merged and
 some stand on their own. Some are deleted since they do not meet the
 current standards for significance.

 BTW, I live here

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lansbury_Estate

  hence, a place with great significance?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] How do I get to Monmouth?

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Obviously most welcome. If I had to do it then I'd find 3 mates and hire a
car

On 18 May 2012 12:50, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm trying to decide if I'm going to head over to Monmouth tomorrow,
 but I can't seem to find any instructions on how to get there...
 Wikipedia says it doesn't have a train station any more, so what is
 the recommended way to get from London to Monmouth?

 It may well be that there are instructions somewhere that I've missed
 - if so, can someone give me a link?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] New blog post about Monmouthpedia

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Thanks Stevie

On 16 May 2012 17:40, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Hello everyone,

 I hope you're all well.

 I thought you might like to know that I've just finished uploading a new
 post to our blog. It's about our Monmouthpedia project, was written by
 Roger Bamkin (one of our Trustees) and can be seen at
 http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/**2012/05/welcome-to-the-worlds-**
 first-wikipedia-town/http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/05/welcome-to-the-worlds-first-wikipedia-town/

 You may also like to know that the Wikimedia Foundation have covered the
 same story on their blog too. It's at http://blog.wikimedia.org/**
 2012/05/16/monmouthpedia_day/http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/05/16/monmouthpedia_day/

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Post AGM pub

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Gets my vote Fae. Ithink that quiet is my first choice however

On 10 May 2012 14:49, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 Could we pick a place that serves a decent cup of loose Jasmine and
 grinds their own fresh coffee beans, or am I in La La Land?

 Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouth Chartists video on Commons 'Media of the Day'

[Roger Bamkin]

thx richard

On 5 May 2012 18:47, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 The Shire Hall's professionally produced dramatisation of the Chartist
 Trial is today's Wikimedia Commons Media of the Day.

 Not an *amazing* accolade, granted, but the video is very interesting and
 very professional. The Chartists were early proponents of suffrage - votes
 for all men, regardless of wealth or class. They were a bit before their
 time, and were executed for their views. The video is well worth watching!

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