Re: [Wikimediauk-l] "Celtic languages Internet project"
2009/9/21 Andrew Gray : > 2009/9/21 James Hardy : > >> Slight pedantry, the Isle of Man is not part of the UK, it is a crown >> dependency. The Constitution of Wikimedia UK does not appear to make >> any mention of the Crown Dependencies, so promoting the Manx Wikipedia >> might not be considered part of its remit. > > I did indeed know this ;-) > > I don't think there is any danger of them getting upset; even were we > to spend funds on this in some way, any amount used specifically for > Manx would be trivial (and it's unlikely anything *would* be used > specifically for Manx). Simplest just to say "the Celtic languages, > with which we are obviously concerned" and move from there. I poked the Manx wikipedia back when we were forming the new chapter. Didn't get a reply. -- geni ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] "Celtic languages Internet project"
2009/9/21 Thomas Dalton : > 2009/9/21 Andrew Gray : >> Besides, Manx people are British citizens even if their sovereignity >> is confusing, and plenty of them live here, so there's our legitimate >> reason. ;-) > > Are you sure? They are "British Subjects" or "British Nationals > (Overseas)" or something. People from crown dependencies aren't > usually British Citizens. Having looked it up, it appears you are correct. The Isle of Mann is odd... ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] "Celtic languages Internet project"
2009/9/21 Andrew Gray : > Besides, Manx people are British citizens even if their sovereignity > is confusing, and plenty of them live here, so there's our legitimate > reason. ;-) Are you sure? They are "British Subjects" or "British Nationals (Overseas)" or something. People from crown dependencies aren't usually British Citizens. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] "Celtic languages Internet project"
2009/9/21 James Hardy : > Slight pedantry, the Isle of Man is not part of the UK, it is a crown > dependency. The Constitution of Wikimedia UK does not appear to make > any mention of the Crown Dependencies, so promoting the Manx Wikipedia > might not be considered part of its remit. I did indeed know this ;-) I don't think there is any danger of them getting upset; even were we to spend funds on this in some way, any amount used specifically for Manx would be trivial (and it's unlikely anything *would* be used specifically for Manx). Simplest just to say "the Celtic languages, with which we are obviously concerned" and move from there. Besides, Manx people are British citizens even if their sovereignity is confusing, and plenty of them live here, so there's our legitimate reason. ;-) -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] "Celtic languages Internet project"
Most of Ireland isn't in the UK either. There is a proposal in the strategy wiki http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Regional_Working_Groups that might be relevant here. My view is that we probably only need one UK entity with charitable status, but I suspect that each of the UK Celtic languages that has its own wiki should be able to support a regional working group. WereSpielChequers 2009/9/21 James Hardy : >> >> "The Celtic languages" - as Casey says, this is a linguistic group >> with common ancestry, not a single language. There hasn't been a >> Celtic language per se for a long, long time :-) >> >> In no particular order: >> >> * Welsh >> * Scots Gaelic >> * Cornish >> * Manx >> * Irish >> * Breton >> >> All but one (Breton) are spoken in the UK. All have Wikipedias, mostly >> of a decent but small size (5000+ pages); Welsh is pretty flourishing. >> > > Slight pedantry, the Isle of Man is not part of the UK, it is a crown > dependency. The Constitution of Wikimedia UK does not appear to make > any mention of the Crown Dependencies, so promoting the Manx Wikipedia > might not be considered part of its remit. > > I mention this, not because I think I wouldn't be a good thing to do > (because I think would be), but because while WMUK awaits registration > with the Charities Commission, we need to make sure everything that is > done is within the charitable aims and I don't know if the Crown > Dependencies would count as part of the UK for these purposes > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > -- WereSpielChequers ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] "Celtic languages Internet project"
> > "The Celtic languages" - as Casey says, this is a linguistic group > with common ancestry, not a single language. There hasn't been a > Celtic language per se for a long, long time :-) > > In no particular order: > > * Welsh > * Scots Gaelic > * Cornish > * Manx > * Irish > * Breton > > All but one (Breton) are spoken in the UK. All have Wikipedias, mostly > of a decent but small size (5000+ pages); Welsh is pretty flourishing. > Slight pedantry, the Isle of Man is not part of the UK, it is a crown dependency. The Constitution of Wikimedia UK does not appear to make any mention of the Crown Dependencies, so promoting the Manx Wikipedia might not be considered part of its remit. I mention this, not because I think I wouldn't be a good thing to do (because I think would be), but because while WMUK awaits registration with the Charities Commission, we need to make sure everything that is done is within the charitable aims and I don't know if the Crown Dependencies would count as part of the UK for these purposes ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] "Celtic languages Internet project"
2009/9/20 Michael Peel : > Don't we already have a Celtic language Wikipedia? Looking around, > there seems to be a fair number of varieties of Celtic languages > [1] , including Gaelic and Welsh. Can anyone clarify this - perhaps > they were meaning Manx? "The Celtic languages" - as Casey says, this is a linguistic group with common ancestry, not a single language. There hasn't been a Celtic language per se for a long, long time :-) In no particular order: * Welsh * Scots Gaelic * Cornish * Manx * Irish * Breton All but one (Breton) are spoken in the UK. All have Wikipedias, mostly of a decent but small size (5000+ pages); Welsh is pretty flourishing. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] "Celtic languages Internet project"
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Michael Peel wrote: > > Don't we already have a Celtic language Wikipedia? Looking around, > there seems to be a fair number of varieties of Celtic languages > [1] , including Gaelic and Welsh. Can anyone clarify this - perhaps > they were meaning Manx? > There is a Manx language Wikipedia: http://gv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ard-ghuillag -- Sam Blacketer ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] "Celtic languages Internet project"
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Peel wrote: > "I propose that a Celtic Wikipedia Project be undertaken to > significantly increase the number of articles available in the Celtic > languages" > > Looking around, > there seems to be a fair number of varieties of Celtic languages > [1] , including Gaelic and Welsh. Can anyone clarify this - perhaps > they were meaning Manx? > They said "Celtic language*s*", so I think they were meant all the projects you mentioned. > Would it be worth WMUK trying to get in contact with these groups, > and trying to assist them? Seems like a good idea to me. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] "Celtic languages Internet project"
Hi all, "I propose that a Celtic Wikipedia Project be undertaken to significantly increase the number of articles available in the Celtic languages" http://www.agencebretagnepresse.com/fetch.php?id=16115&title=Celtci% 20languages%20Internet%20project Don't we already have a Celtic language Wikipedia? Looking around, there seems to be a fair number of varieties of Celtic languages [1] , including Gaelic and Welsh. Can anyone clarify this - perhaps they were meaning Manx? Would it be worth WMUK trying to get in contact with these groups, and trying to assist them? Thanks, Mike [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_languages ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
