Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/20 David Gerard : > 2009/2/20 Thomas Dalton : > >> Many of the problems are with that list. The list contains html pages, >> not images (at least, not exclusively), and not even the right html >> pages (they never blocked the [[Image:...]] page). If the government >> ran it, they would be ac

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread David Gerard
2009/2/20 Thomas Dalton : > Many of the problems are with that list. The list contains html pages, > not images (at least, not exclusively), and not even the right html > pages (they never blocked the [[Image:...]] page). If the government > ran it, they would be accountable, IWF aren't. The Tod

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread David Gerard
2009/2/20 geni : > 2009/2/20 Brian McNeil : >> I have not, and would not, actively seek out child pornography. However, I >> have a clue about how the modern Internet works. Any semi-intelligent >> publisher of child pornography is going to use things like hidden services >> on Tor. The IWF has ze

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/20 geni : > Blaming the wrong people there. > > The IWF effectively has two missions. > > 1)Contact UK based ISPs and get them to take down illegal content. > This was their initial mission and by most accounts they are fairly > good at it. > > 2)Provide a list of material that can be fed in

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread geni
2009/2/20 Brian McNeil : > David is right, if they haven't a clue about techniques to manage a modern > website - techniques that are over ten years old - then they are quite > simply not fit to manage any sort of filtering blacklist. > > I have not, and would not, actively seek out child pornograp

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread Brian McNeil
ssage- From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of geni Sent: 20 February 2009 19:47 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block 2009/2/20 Thomas Dalton : > 2009/2/20 geni :

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/20 geni : > 2009/2/20 Thomas Dalton : >> 2009/2/20 geni : >>> They probably do it's just there are rather a lot of ways out there of >>> organising your website and they didn't immediately pick up on which >>> one wikipedia uses. >> >> You mean they didn't right click on the image and click

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread geni
2009/2/20 Thomas Dalton : > 2009/2/20 geni : >> They probably do it's just there are rather a lot of ways out there of >> organising your website and they didn't immediately pick up on which >> one wikipedia uses. > > You mean they didn't right click on the image and click "properties"? > That seem

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/20 geni : > They probably do it's just there are rather a lot of ways out there of > organising your website and they didn't immediately pick up on which > one wikipedia uses. You mean they didn't right click on the image and click "properties"? That seems pretty incompetent to me... _

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread geni
2009/2/20 David Gerard : > 2009/2/20 David Gerard : >> 2009/2/20 Al Tally : > >>> Oh dear. Well, mind posting what you wrote here? I read it, but closed the >>> tab... > >> I didn't save it myself! I've left another comment asking WTF happened >> to the first one and asking if they want to phone me

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread Al Tally
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 5:43 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/2/20 David Gerard : > > 2009/2/20 Al Tally : > > >> Oh dear. Well, mind posting what you wrote here? I read it, but closed > the > >> tab... > > > I didn't save it myself! I've left another comment asking WTF happened > > to the first on

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread David Gerard
2009/2/20 David Gerard : > 2009/2/20 Al Tally : >> Oh dear. Well, mind posting what you wrote here? I read it, but closed the >> tab... > I didn't save it myself! I've left another comment asking WTF happened > to the first one and asking if they want to phone me for verification. All straighte

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread David Gerard
2009/2/20 Al Tally : > Oh dear. Well, mind posting what you wrote here? I read it, but closed the > tab... I didn't save it myself! I've left another comment asking WTF happened to the first one and asking if they want to phone me for verification. - d. ___

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread Al Tally
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 5:20 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/2/20 Al Tally : > > 2009/2/20 Mark (Markie) > > >> comment seems to have been deleted? doesnt show at the bottom and this > >> _was_ the link: > >> > http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,101161,39616171-39001105c-20100584o,00.htm > > >

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread David Gerard
2009/2/20 Al Tally : > 2009/2/20 Mark (Markie) >> comment seems to have been deleted? doesnt show at the bottom and this >> _was_ the link: >> http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,101161,39616171-39001105c-20100584o,00.htm > Strange. David did you delete it? No, I certainly didn't. Looks like

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread Al Tally
2009/2/20 Mark (Markie) > comment seems to have been deleted? doesnt show at the bottom and this > _was_ the link: > http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,101161,39616171-39001105c-20100584o,00.htm > > regards > > mark > Strange. David did you delete it? -- Alex (User:Majorly)

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread Mark (Markie)
comment seems to have been deleted? doesnt show at the bottom and this _was_ the link: http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,101161,39616171-39001105c-20100584o,00.htm regards mark 2009/2/20 Al Tally > 2009/2/20 David Gerard > >> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,100097,39616171,00.htm >

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ZDNet: IWF on Wikipedia block

2009-02-20 Thread Al Tally
2009/2/20 David Gerard > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,100097,39616171,00.htm > > I added a very pointed comment indeed. > > > - d. > Nice. -- Alex (User:Majorly) ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedi