Re: [Wikitech-l] [Analytics] Fwd: Page view stats we can believe in

2013-02-14 Thread Erik Zachte
Lars, I can feel your pain. I also feel it from time to time when reality is at odds with expectations. What I should have done is put up a notice to explain this anomaly, to avoid confusion. My bad. Like I said: we planned to implement a second data stream. In fact I heard there was a patch

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Analytics] Fwd: Page view stats we can believe in

2013-02-14 Thread Erik Zachte
[resent with one extra clarification and from WMF account] fix: page counts per article - view counts per article as collected in 'pagecounts' files Lars, I can feel your pain. I also feel it from time to time when reality is at odds with expectations. What I should have done is put up a

[Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader sanity check

2013-02-14 Thread Nikola Smolenski
At http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=ResourceLoader/Featuresoldid=645401#Startup_Module it is written: It starts by performing a quick sanity check that bails out if the current browser is not supported. This saves bandwidth as well as preventing broken interfaces, basically leaving

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Analytics] Fwd: Page view stats we can believe in

2013-02-14 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Lars Aronsson, 14/02/2013 04:02: On 02/14/2013 02:56 AM, Erik Zachte wrote: Lars, I think you are overdoing it. The reports are not nonsense, but have over time become more inaccurate than some other stats we present. Actually if the reports would have mentioned 'pages served' rather than

Re: [Wikitech-l] Font at dv.wikipedia and dv.wiktionary

2013-02-14 Thread Deutschaneo Ushau
FreeSerif looks good and we can use it instead of Faruma if the license is okay. Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:29:58 -0500 From: m...@everybody.org To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Font at dv.wikipedia and dv.wiktionary More research leads to this list of fonts:

Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader sanity check

2013-02-14 Thread Kevin Israel
On 02/14/2013 05:29 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: It starts by performing a quick sanity check that bails out if the current browser is not supported. [...] Browsers such as Internet Explorer 5 and early versions of Mozilla fall in this category. While I see that it works, I can't find where

Re: [Wikitech-l] Font at dv.wikipedia and dv.wiktionary

2013-02-14 Thread Santhosh Thottingal
2013/2/14 Deutschaneo Ushau y.1...@hotmail.com: FreeSerif looks good and we can use it instead of Faruma if the license is okay. Since FreeSerif has glyphs for many languages, it is about 2 MB in size, After doing WOFF or EOT compression for webfonts, size can be reduced to 1 MB, but still not

Re: [Wikitech-l] Font at dv.wikipedia and dv.wiktionary

2013-02-14 Thread Deutschaneo Ushau
What font do we use then??? I can name many fonts which are good but don't know whether they have proper licensing. Regards,Ushau Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:44:59 +0530 From: santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Font at dv.wikipedia and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Font at dv.wikipedia and dv.wiktionary

2013-02-14 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 02/14/2013 06:14 AM, Santhosh Thottingal wrote: Since FreeSerif has glyphs for many languages, it is about 2 MB in size, After doing WOFF or EOT compression for webfonts, size can be reduced to 1 MB, but still not optimal for embedding it as such in a page. Since the licensing allows it,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Font at dv.wikipedia and dv.wiktionary

2013-02-14 Thread Deutschaneo Ushau
If someone could teach me how to do that, maybe I might be able to do it. Regards,Ushau Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 06:59:58 -0500 From: m...@everybody.org To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org; sthottin...@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Font at dv.wikipedia and dv.wiktionary On 02/14/2013

Re: [Wikitech-l] Font at dv.wikipedia and dv.wiktionary

2013-02-14 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 02/14/2013 06:59 AM, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: On 02/14/2013 06:14 AM, Santhosh Thottingal wrote: Since FreeSerif has glyphs for many languages, it is about 2 MB in size, After doing WOFF or EOT compression for webfonts, size can be reduced to 1 MB, but still not optimal for embedding it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Corporate needs are different (RE: How can we help Corporations use MW?)

2013-02-14 Thread Maria Miteva
Hi everyone, I guess this would not directly solve any of the problems listed, but would it be helpful to bring back to life https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Enterprise_hub ? It was started by somebody an year or two ago but seems to have been abandoned at a draft stage. I am thinking if everybody

Re: [Wikitech-l] Font at dv.wikipedia and dv.wiktionary

2013-02-14 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 02/14/2013 07:04 AM, Deutschaneo Ushau wrote: If someone could teach me how to do that, maybe I might be able to do it. I've asked on the freefonts list to see if anyone there can help. -- http://hexmode.com/ There is no path to peace. Peace is the path. -- Mahatma Gandhi, Non-Violence

Re: [Wikitech-l] Font at dv.wikipedia and dv.wiktionary

2013-02-14 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 02/14/2013 07:41 AM, Santhosh Thottingal wrote: If anybody from community can maintain and host such a font, giving proper credits to freefont project and not violating licenses, here is a font with required glyphs http://thottingal.in/tmp/thaana/ Thanks! I've grabbed your files. I'll try

Re: [Wikitech-l] Font at dv.wikipedia and dv.wiktionary

2013-02-14 Thread Deutschaneo Ushau
The glyphs at http://thottingal.in/tmp/thaana/Thaana.ttf are not the actual shape of Thaana letters, it looks like MV Boli font. Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:11:49 +0530 From: santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Font at dv.wikipedia and

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Labs-l] Maria DB

2013-02-14 Thread Asher Feldman
For most projects, I recommend using the official packages available via the MariaDB projects own apt repo. The official packages are based on the Debian mysql packaging where installing the server package also installs a default database created around generic config defaults, a debian mysql

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Labs-l] Maria DB

2013-02-14 Thread Asher Feldman
Er, no it shouldn't. Initial execution might take microseconds longer due to larger binary sizes and the elf loader having to skip over the symbols but that's about it. On Thursday, February 14, 2013, Petr Bena wrote: Keeping debug symbols in binaries will result in poor performance, or it

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Labs-l] Maria DB

2013-02-14 Thread Mark Bergsma
On Feb 14, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Keeping debug symbols in binaries will result in poor performance, or it should That's bollocks. It results in a larger binary _on disk_. The symbol table isn't even loaded into memory and doesn't affect performance. Debug

Re: [Wikitech-l] Corporate needs are different (RE: How can we help Corporations use MW?)

2013-02-14 Thread vitalif
I guess this would not directly solve any of the problems listed, but would it be helpful to bring back to life https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Enterprise_hub ? It was started by somebody an year or two ago but seems to have been abandoned at a draft stage. I am thinking if everybody adds some

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Labs-l] Maria DB

2013-02-14 Thread Faidon Liambotis
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 05:14:31PM +0100, Mark Bergsma wrote: Debug information is *highly useful* in a production setup, and we try to run all our core applications with it so we have a chance to debug issues when they occur. I think the only reason distributions omit debug information is

[Wikitech-l] WikiEditor caching (??)

2013-02-14 Thread vitalif
Hello Wiki Developers! I have a question: I think it's slightly annoying that WikiEditor shows up only some moment after the editing page loads and that the textarea gets moved down (because WikiEditor is only built dynamically via JS). Do you think it's possible to cache the generated

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Labs-l] Maria DB

2013-02-14 Thread Asher Feldman
I would much rather abandon using debs than use what the debian project has done to mysql packaging in any production environment. If the discussion has come down to this, I did WMF a disservice by drifting away from Domas' optimized make ; make install ; rsync unstripped binaries to prod

[Wikitech-l] Next Bugday: Feb. 19 17:00-23:00UTC

2013-02-14 Thread Valerie Juarez
Hello! Please join us on the next Wikimedia Bugday: Tuesday, February 19th, 17:00-23:00 UTC [1] in #wikimedia-dev on Freenode IRC [2] Because of the recent upgrade, we will be looking at open bugs in Git/Gerrit [3]. Our focus will be on identifying bugs that are upstream issues, so

Re: [Wikitech-l] Corporate needs are different (RE: How can we help Corporations use MW?)

2013-02-14 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov
On 14.02.2013 21:14, vita...@yourcmc.ru wrote: I guess this would not directly solve any of the problems listed, but would it be helpful to bring back to life https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Enterprise_hub ? It was started by somebody an year or two ago but seems to have been abandoned at a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit reviewer bot update

2013-02-14 Thread Merlijn van Deen
Hi Waldir, On 14 February 2013 02:21, Waldir Pimenta wal...@email.com wrote: Any chance the reviewer-bot can support additional triggers? For example, diff content, commit-message content, etc. Anything that is available from the changes REST api (see [1]) can be added with relative easy. This

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extensions and LTS

2013-02-14 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
Niklas voiced what will surely be a common refrain amongst extension developers: On 02/13/2013 02:09 AM, Niklas Laxström wrote: There is near zero chance that I will keep supporting 1.19 for that long in master branch in all of my extensions (and this is assuming support for 1.19 is dropped

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Labs-l] Maria DB

2013-02-14 Thread Platonides
On 14/02/13 18:26, Faidon Liambotis wrote: Ubuntu has experimented in the past with the concept of automatically generating and shipping symbols for *all* packages, packaged up in a ddebs (same format as .deb) and shipped via a different repository that isn't mirrored by all of the downstream

Re: [Wikitech-l] Maria DB

2013-02-14 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 02/14/2013 05:11 PM, Platonides wrote: On 14/02/13 18:26, Faidon Liambotis wrote: This was years ago, I'm not sure what has happened since then. I remember being discussed in Debian as well, but it was never adopted, probably because noone ever implemented it :) Good question. There are a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Maria DB

2013-02-14 Thread Tim Starling
On 15/02/13 09:11, Platonides wrote: On 14/02/13 18:26, Faidon Liambotis wrote: Ubuntu has experimented in the past with the concept of automatically generating and shipping symbols for *all* packages, packaged up in a ddebs (same format as .deb) and shipped via a different repository that

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Analytics] Fwd: Page view stats we can believe in

2013-02-14 Thread Marco Fleckinger
Hi, On 02/14/2013 12:04 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Why are those bots not using the API, by the way? One possible reason, I can imagine: Maybe because it's turned off on many private wikis. I saw spam on such ones as well. Obviously there is a framework, which doesn't need to use the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revoking +2 (Re: who can merge into core/master?)

2013-02-14 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 06/15/2012 04:53 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: If you merge into mediawiki/core.git, your change is considered safe for inclusion in a wmf branch. The wmf branch is just branched out of master and then deployed.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revoking +2 (Re: who can merge into core/master?)

2013-02-14 Thread Tyler Romeo
I know this is pretty obvious, but self-merging pretty much any change should be grounds for removal (or at the very least no second chance). *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Thu, Feb 14,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revoking +2 (Re: who can merge into core/master?)

2013-02-14 Thread Krinkle
On Feb 15, 2013, at 1:11 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is pretty obvious, but self-merging pretty much any change should be grounds for removal (or at the very least no second chance). *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revoking +2 (Re: who can merge into core/master?)

2013-02-14 Thread Tyler Romeo
Mhm, yep. And yeah, we'd definitely want to be a little lenient. *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 15, 2013, at

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revoking +2 (Re: who can merge into core/master?)

2013-02-14 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 02/14/2013 07:29 PM, Krinkle wrote: Due to the way Git and Gerrit interact, a revert (unlike a merge) is a two-step process. It considers it to be a separate commit (which it is, of course). So clicking Revert only drafts a commit, it still needs to be merged. This is generally done

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revoking +2 (Re: who can merge into core/master?)

2013-02-14 Thread Brad Jorsch
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: Note though that there are at least 2 commonly accepted exceptions: * Backporting a change approved by someone else in master to another branch, and self-merging that backport * Reverting I'd propose one more: * Someone

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit reviewer bot update

2013-02-14 Thread Waldir Pimenta
It's not critical to support diff content if commit messages can be used. In fact diffs would just be a nice to have feature, but the commit message ought to be much more informative anyway. As for a pull request, I'll give it a shot. --Waldir On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Merlijn van Deen