Re: [Wikitech-l] Phabricator migration part II: Replacing gitblit with Diffusion

2014-12-03 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 02/12/2014 23:55, Chad a écrit : Yes, the repo will also have a path for cloning (at a later time) and a name (which is arbitrary and can be changed by repo owners whenever they want). Great, that works for me so :-] -- Antoine hashar Musso

[Wikitech-l] Extension:Echo, writing the new Formatter

2014-12-03 Thread Yury Katkov
Hi everyone! I'm trying to write my notification for Echo and I'm a bit stuck coding the formatter. The standard way to write a formatter seems to override the processParam function (like in Thanks extension). There is a lot of magic in the code below, I can't figure out how the processParam

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread florian.schmidt.wel...@t-online.de
Hello, i don't know, if we already had this in this discussion round, but maybe we can learn from Googles new reCaptcha noCaptcha[1][2] [1] http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/3/7325925/google-is-killing-captcha-as-we-know-it [2] https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/ Freundliche Grüße / Kind

[Wikitech-l] All non-api traffic is now served by HHVM

2014-12-03 Thread Giuseppe Lavagetto
Hi all, it's been quite a journey since we started working on HHVM, and last week (November 25th) HHVM was finally introduced to all users who didn't opt-in to the beta feature. Starting on monday, we started reinstalling all the 150 remaining servers that were running Zend's mod_php, upgrading

Re: [Wikitech-l] All non-api traffic is now served by HHVM

2014-12-03 Thread Quim Gil
Amazing work. Kudos for this staggered deployment! On Dec 3, 2014 6:04 PM, Giuseppe Lavagetto glavage...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, it's been quite a journey since we started working on HHVM, and last week (November 25th) HHVM was finally introduced to all users who didn't opt-in to the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Phabricator migration part II: Replacing gitblit with Diffusion

2014-12-03 Thread Chad
On Tue Dec 02 2014 at 2:23:49 PM James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 2 December 2014 at 13:51, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm thinking people are liking where we've ended up on callsigns...at least I haven't seen any major objections in the last day or so. Do

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension:Echo, writing the new Formatter

2014-12-03 Thread Erik Bernhardson
Following the code through, we are starting with your call to EchoBasicFormatter::setTitleLink(). The third argument you are asking about is labeled props, and gets passed on to EchoBasicFormatter::buildLinkParams(). This is the function that deals with the contents of that argument. From

Re: [Wikitech-l] All non-api traffic is now served by HHVM

2014-12-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 December 2014 at 17:03, Giuseppe Lavagetto glavage...@wikimedia.org wrote: it's been quite a journey since we started working on HHVM, and last week (November 25th) HHVM was finally introduced to all users who didn't opt-in to the beta feature. Excellent! Excellent! Does that make us

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Ops] All non-api traffic is now served by HHVM

2014-12-03 Thread Erik Moeller
This is fantastic -- kudos to everyone for pushing to get this through the finish line. Making editing faster (and improving general site responsiveness) is one of the most obvious things we can do that serves every single contributor to our projects. We've still got lots more that we can do in

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Ops] All non-api traffic is now served by HHVM

2014-12-03 Thread Ryan Lane
This is awesome! Great work everyone! On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Giuseppe Lavagetto glavage...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, it's been quite a journey since we started working on HHVM, and last week (November 25th) HHVM was finally introduced to all users who didn't opt-in to the beta

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread svetlana
I like these thoughts: - https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-November/079340.html Literally an anti-captcha. Letting bots in and keeping humans out. - https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-November/079346.html Why not disable the ConfirmEdit extension for a week

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension:Echo, writing the new Formatter

2014-12-03 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 18:56:27 +0100, Erik Bernhardson ebernhard...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm not aware of any list anywhere that summarizes the possible query parameters mediawiki accepts for wikitext pages. There is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php . It

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread Chad
On Wed Dec 03 2014 at 1:27:33 PM svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: I like these thoughts: - https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014- November/079340.html Literally an anti-captcha. Letting bots in and keeping humans out. -

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread Ryan Kaldari
The main reason our captcha is easy for bots to bypass isn't because it's easy to read (it's not); it's because it works the same way as 90% of other captcha's on the internet. So if you're a spam-bot writer, all you have to do is download one of the dozens of generic captcha-breaking programs on

Re: [Wikitech-l] All non-api traffic is now served by HHVM

2014-12-03 Thread Quim Gil
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:19 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: What sort of bugs needed squashing? (Is there a list, or a suitable Phabricator query?) A HHVM tag exists: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/hhvm/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 December 2014 at 23:08, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Surely we can come up with a creative idea that is: * Easy for humans to solve * Can't be solved by out-of-the-box captcha breakers * Isn't trivial for programmers to solve * isn't an abomination for accessibility -

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org spambots. We just have to jump out of the existing captcha design band-wagon. Here are some ideas: Surely we can come up with a creative idea that is: * Easy for humans to solve * Can't be solved by out-of-the-box

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [African Wikimedians] Afripédia Douala

2014-12-03 Thread rupert THURNER
fyi, a feedback from duala, cameroon, concerning uploading fotos to commons. -- Forwarded message -- From: Kasper Souren kasper.sou...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [African Wikimedians] Afripédia Douala To: Mailing list for African Wikimedians

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Ops] All non-api traffic is now served by HHVM

2014-12-03 Thread Tomasz Finc
This is fantastic. Great job team and do put up a blog post about this. --tomasz On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Giuseppe Lavagetto glavage...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, it's been quite a journey since we started working on HHVM, and last week (November 25th) HHVM was finally introduced to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread svetlana
I like how my message to try abandoning captcha entirely came up with a myriad of complaints how we can be smart, enable new captcha which is unique, etc. Let's measure the impact. Could someone kindly please do some metrics on these cases after a user opened an edit box: - edit saved without

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread Risker
It's a cool idea. Also not usable by those who are visually impaired, as best I can tell. I'm going to be honest, I think svetlana may be on to something. Risker/Anne On 3 December 2014 at 18:17, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Ryan Kaldari

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Ops] All non-api traffic is now served by HHVM

2014-12-03 Thread Robert Rohde
Hey, I just rendered [[Barack Obama]] in about 6 seconds. I haven't tested it for several months, but in the post-Lua era I've generally gotten around 12-15 seconds. (Prior to Lua citations, it was 30 seconds.) I don't know is HHVM is the whole story, but that's a fabulous improvement towards

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Ops] All non-api traffic is now served by HHVM

2014-12-03 Thread Arthur Richards
Truly fantastic news - awesome work! On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I just rendered [[Barack Obama]] in about 6 seconds. I haven't tested it for several months, but in the post-Lua era I've generally gotten around 12-15 seconds. (Prior to Lua

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread Tim Starling
On 04/12/14 10:08, Ryan Kaldari wrote: The main reason our captcha is easy for bots to bypass isn't because it's easy to read (it's not); Actually, it's extremely easy to read. As I said in the commit message on I05b5bb6, I was able to break 66% of FancyCaptcha images with the open source OCR

Re: [Wikitech-l] All non-api traffic is now served by HHVM

2014-12-03 Thread Krinkle
Very nice. The impact can is also reflected and easy to spot in the Cluster CPU graphs on Ganglia: https://ganglia.wikimedia.org/latest/?r=monthc=Application+servers+eqiad https://ganglia.wikimedia.org/latest/?r=yearc=Application+servers+eqiad — Krinkle On 3 Dec 2014, at 17:03, Giuseppe

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread MZMcBride
svetlana wrote: I like how my message to try abandoning captcha entirely came up with a myriad of complaints how we can be smart, enable new captcha which is unique, etc. Let's measure the impact. We disabled the CAPTCHA entirely on test.wikipedia.org a few weeks ago. The wiki seems to be about

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread svetlana
Hi, On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, at 15:02, MZMcBride wrote: svetlana wrote: I like how my message to try abandoning captcha entirely came up with a myriad of complaints how we can be smart, enable new captcha which is unique, etc. Let's measure the impact. We disabled the CAPTCHA entirely on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread Steven Walling
MZ: you mean removing just for account creation right? There is also a CAPTCHA delivered on external link addition for some editors–I think IPs and users not autoconfirmed. This is probably a lot more important for combating spam. (Sorry for top posting. On my phone.) On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:03

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread MZMcBride
svetlana wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, at 15:02, MZMcBride wrote: We disabled the CAPTCHA entirely on test.wikipedia.org a few weeks ago. The wiki seems to be about the same. It probably makes sense to continue slowly disabling the CAPTCHA on wikis until users start to shout. Perhaps we'll

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread Robert Rohde
We have many smart people, and undoubtedly we could design a better captcha. However, no matter how smart the mousetrap, as long as you leave it strewn around the doors and hallways, well-meaning people are going to trip over it. I would support removing the captcha from generic entry points,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread Daniel Friesen
On 2014-12-03 8:35 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: However, captchas might be useful if used in conjunction with simple behavioral analysis, such as rate limiters. For example, if an IP is creating a lot of accounts or editing at a high rate of speed, those are bad signs. Don't we already do rate

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread svetlana
Hi Robert, With accounts it is no problem, we can just make them enter a captcha when registering and assume they're human from now on. However where an IP contributor enters a captcha, we can't assume it's human because IPs are often shared. There is lots of past discussion on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread Robert Rohde
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: On 2014-12-03 8:35 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: However, captchas might be useful if used in conjunction with simple behavioral analysis, such as rate limiters. For example, if an IP is creating a lot of accounts

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread MZMcBride
Steven Walling wrote: MZ: you mean removing just for account creation right? There is also a CAPTCHA delivered on external link addition for some editors–I think IPs and users not autoconfirmed. This is probably a lot more important for combating spam. For testwiki, we actually set

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread Chad
On Wed Dec 03 2014 at 8:18:53 PM MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: svetlana wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, at 15:02, MZMcBride wrote: We disabled the CAPTCHA entirely on test.wikipedia.org a few weeks ago. The wiki seems to be about the same. It probably makes sense to continue slowly

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread Steven Walling
On Wed Dec 03 2014 at 8:57:38 PM MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Steven Walling wrote: MZ: you mean removing just for account creation right? There is also a CAPTCHA delivered on external link addition for some editors–I think IPs and users not autoconfirmed. This is probably a lot more