Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-11-30 Thread Marco Schuster
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Dmitriy Sintsov ques...@rambler.ru wrote: * Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongm...@gmail.com [Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:44:43 +0100]: I think that the most recent version should be sufficient. I don't think Java would break backwards compatibility: users wouldn't be happy

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-11-30 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov
* Marco Schuster ma...@harddisk.is-a-geek.org [Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:05:09 +0100]: You can create a zip easily on all major OSes with drag'n'drop. Windows supports it IIRC from Win 98 SE and up, a standard Linux by the tools the desktop installs (for KDE, it once was Ark), and MacOS also

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-11-30 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov
* Marco Schuster ma...@harddisk.is-a-geek.org [Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:05:09 +0100]: You can create a zip easily on all major OSes with drag'n'drop. Windows supports it IIRC from Win 98 SE and up, a standard Linux by the tools the desktop installs (for KDE, it once was Ark), and MacOS also

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-11-30 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/11/30 Dmitriy Sintsov ques...@rambler.ru: * Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongm...@gmail.com [Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:44:43 +0100]: I think that the most recent version should be sufficient. I don't think Java would break backwards compatibility: users wouldn't be happy if their old jar suddenly

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-11-30 Thread K. Peachey
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: We don't necessarily want ZIP uploads at Wikimedia, but it's not unreasonable to want to upload OpenOffice documents. Since the OO formats are ZIP-like, blocking ZIPs blocks those too. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) Although

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-11-29 Thread Erik Moeller
2010/11/25 bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com: Personally I think it would be nicer if you could associate source files with the final files. Yeah, this was discussed a bit earlier in this thread. As far as I can tell, that approach adds a fair degree of complexity (requirement of tracking a whole

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-11-29 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/11/29 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org: As far as I understand the pure security (as opposed to content) concerns, these fall primarily into these categories: * client-side execution of unsafe formats using designated applications (embedded macros, references to other malicious content

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-11-29 Thread Platonides
Roan Kattouw wrote: An alternative [to rejecting all ZIP files] would be to parse the entire zip directory and to reject any archives that contain a file with a .class extension. I can’t vouch for this method. **If you did this, the zip library you used would have to be exactly as tolerant of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-11-29 Thread Bryan Tong Minh
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: An alternative [to rejecting all ZIP files] would be to parse the entire zip directory and to reject any archives that contain a file with a .class extension. I can’t vouch for this method. **If you did this, the zip

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-11-29 Thread Platonides
Bryan Tong Minh wrote: On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: An alternative [to rejecting all ZIP files] would be to parse the entire zip directory and to reject any archives that contain a file with a .class extension. I can’t vouch for this method. **If

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-11-29 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov
* Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongm...@gmail.com [Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:44:43 +0100]: I think that the most recent version should be sufficient. I don't think Java would break backwards compatibility: users wouldn't be happy if their old jar suddenly stops working on a new JVM. Why an outdated and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-11-25 Thread David Gerard
On 25 November 2010 07:58, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongm...@gmail.com wrote: I think you are taking the wrong approach here, altough I agree with MZMcBride's reply to your mail From a social and technical perspective, this proposal is horribly hackish. [...] Given the current parameters, this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-11-25 Thread Platonides
Erik Moeller wrote: [Kicking this thread back to life, full-quoting below only for quick reference.] I've collected some additional notes on this here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Restricted_uploads Would appreciate feedback will circulate further in the Commons community.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-11-25 Thread bawolff
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:46:24 -0800 From: Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID:       aanlktimd7kxngs4azgpanr_84ok_th9t1dsanc7st...@mail.gmail.com Content

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-11-24 Thread Erik Moeller
[Kicking this thread back to life, full-quoting below only for quick reference.] I've collected some additional notes on this here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Restricted_uploads Would appreciate feedback will circulate further in the Commons community. Thanks, Erik 2010/10/25

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-11-24 Thread MZMcBride
Erik Moeller wrote: I've collected some additional notes on this here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Restricted_uploads Would appreciate feedback will circulate further in the Commons community. From a social and technical perspective, this proposal is horribly hackish. The

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-11-24 Thread Bryan Tong Minh
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: [Kicking this thread back to life, full-quoting below only for quick reference.] I've collected some additional notes on this here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Restricted_uploads Would appreciate

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-10-26 Thread Maciej Jaros
@2010-10-26 03:45, Erik Moeller: 2010/10/25 Brion Vibberbr...@pobox.com: In all cases we have the worry that if we allow uploading those funky formats, we'll either a) end up with malicious files or b) end up with lazy people using and uploading non-free editing formats when we'd prefer them

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-10-26 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: Instead of amassing social constructs around technical deficiency, I propose to fix bug 24230 [1] by implementing proper checking for JAR format. Also, we need to check all contents with antivirus and disallow certain

[Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-10-25 Thread Erik Moeller
Hello all, for some types of resources, it's desirable to upload source files (whether it's Blender, COLLADA, Scribus, EDL, or some other format), so that others can more easily remix and process them. Currently, as far as I know, there's no way to upload these resources to Commons. What would

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-10-25 Thread Max Semenik
On 25.10.2010, 23:02 Erik wrote: Hello all, for some types of resources, it's desirable to upload source files (whether it's Blender, COLLADA, Scribus, EDL, or some other format), so that others can more easily remix and process them. Currently, as far as I know, there's no way to upload

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-10-25 Thread Michael Dale
On 10/25/2010 12:02 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: Hello all, for some types of resources, it's desirable to upload source files (whether it's Blender, COLLADA, Scribus, EDL, or some other format), so that others can more easily remix and process them. Currently, as far as I know, there's no way to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-10-25 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: Instead of amassing social constructs around technical deficiency, I propose to fix bug 24230 [1] by implementing proper checking for JAR format. Does that bug even affect Wikimedia? We have uploads segregated on their

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-10-25 Thread Platonides
Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: Instead of amassing social constructs around technical deficiency, I propose to fix bug 24230 [1] by implementing proper checking for JAR format. Does that bug even affect Wikimedia? We have

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-10-25 Thread Marco Schuster
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: Instead of amassing social constructs around technical deficiency, I propose to fix bug 24230 [1] by implementing proper checking for JAR

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-10-25 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Marco Schuster ma...@harddisk.is-a-geek.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: Instead of amassing social constructs around

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-10-25 Thread Platonides
Martijn Hoekstra wrote: Should we also be exploring any possibly malicious archives inside archives recursively, or is just making sure the archive itself is good is good enough? I think that we should block such files. Also note that we can't recursively analyse everything since that would

Re: [Wikitech-l] Commons ZIP file upload for admins

2010-10-25 Thread Brion Vibber
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Michael Dale md...@wikimedia.org wrote: Its most ideal if we actually support these formats, so we can do thing like thumbnails, basic meta data etc. Failing that its better to support a given file extension, then it is to support zip files. This way if in