Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-21 Thread Ori Livneh
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Rainer Rillke rainerril...@hotmail.comwrote: As some people do not care a lot for beta features or new features, do not read the mailing lists and overlook main discussion forums or are just unable to understand English, they were surprised and confused and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-21 Thread Jean-Frédéric
Hi Ori, As some people do not care a lot for beta features or new features, do not read the mailing lists and overlook main discussion forums or are just unable to understand English, they were surprised and confused and wondered how they could disable the feature. Surprised and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-19 Thread Jon Robson
I said this during the retrospective about beta features. I think all beta features should be enabled for all logged in users the month before they get deployed. Let's not resort to banners please. Let's instead train people to go to the beta features page and help us build great products that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-19 Thread Dan Garry
On 19 May 2014 03:49, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: I said this during the retrospective about beta features. I think all beta features should be enabled for all logged in users the month before they get deployed. Let's not resort to banners please. This is a much better idea than

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-19 Thread Mark Holmquist
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 08:22:13PM +0200, Rainer Rillke wrote: Yeah, that would be cool: I am tool x, I do y and you can disable me pressing button z. Let button z be a prominent element of the UI for the time of testing at large scale. For the record, we did the first part of this - there was

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-18 Thread Rainer Rillke
Sun May 18 00:20:10 UTC 2014 Brian Wolff bawolff at gmail.com wrote: I do think there are probably better ways to handle notification of new features. Perhaps a pop up the first time new feature is activated explaining the feature and how to disable it. I'm not really sure. Yeah, that would

[Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-17 Thread Rainer Rillke
Recently, Media Viewer[1] (MMV) has been switched at Wikimedia Commons to be default. As some people do not care a lot for beta features or new features, do not read the mailing lists and overlook main discussion forums or are just unable to understand English, they were surprised and confused

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-17 Thread Max Semenik
I thought we already had this discussion recently: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/412782?do=post_view_threaded#412782 On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Rainer Rillke rainerril...@hotmail.comwrote: Recently, Media Viewer[1] (MMV) has been switched at Wikimedia Commons to be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-17 Thread Daniel Schwen
Rainer makes a few good points. This is not just another weekly software update, this is a high profile interface change. The discussion Max linked to did not have the same scope. And the site notice is just point A in a set of three sensible suggestions. I've followed the development of the Media

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-17 Thread John
Here is an interesting deployment idea, roll out but leave as opt-in for a period of time, after a month or so, set as default for anons and new accounts, During the whole process keep track of who has enabled it and then disabled it, vs never enabled it. After a period of time move everyone who

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-17 Thread Max Semenik
I actually think that anons should be the last to gget new features if at all possible: they are the group least informed about projects' internal workings and thus it's hard for them to report problems. On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 3:37 PM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: Here is an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-17 Thread Brian Wolff
On 5/17/14, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: I actually think that anons should be the last to gget new features if at all possible: they are the group least informed about projects' internal workings and thus it's hard for them to report problems. +1 I'm reminded of a type of issue