Derric Atzrott writes:
Have any of you ever heard of Non-Violent Communication (NVC).
NVC is amazing and I very much encourage anyone to take it up. It goes
way beyond a method of thinking, it is a spiritual path. Like other
spiritual paths that means it may work if you practise it yourself.
While browsing the web for new trends of human-horse communication horse
management, I found the website of Marjorie Smith, and I've been deeply
influenced by her; her thoughts about links between man-to-man and
man-to-horse communication - really an example of advantages of NVC - were
extremely
Derric Atzrott writes:
Hi Derric,
Have any of you ever heard of Non-Violent Communication (NVC).
NVC is amazing and I very much encourage anyone to take it up. It goes
way beyond a method of thinking, it is a spiritual path. Like other
spiritual paths that means it may work if you practise
I find it fascinating what a successful meme AGF is. I was so successfully
indoctrinated by it during my first three years or so on en.wp that when I
first encountered en.wn, where they explicitly reject AGF as intrinsically
incompatible with news production, I wondered how they could possibly
Question for Derric: why didn't you formulate your suggestion using
NVC?
I was excited and in a hurry. In retrospect I really think that I should have.
After reading some of the replies I felt rather disappointed and frustrated,
and even a little sad as I didn't feel my need for understanding
Thanks for a nice tasty bikeshed on a technical mailing list.
I assume your good faith, and I foresee its consequences. You couldn't
employ your NVC skills because you were, quote, in a hurry, end quote. That
means, NVC just doesn't work when it's needed. I don't think everyone here
has a lot of
I assume your good faith, and I foresee its consequences. You couldn't
employ your NVC skills because you were, quote, in a hurry, end quote. That
means, NVC just doesn't work when it's needed. I don't think everyone here
has a lot of spare time to mix original thoughts with a dump of
That's interesting - my take on AGF always was that it was a way to
avoid assumptions - another way of saying to give people the benefit of
the doubt without being such a cliché (even though it's probably even
more of one now).
But yeah, good points.
On 18/02/14 13:43, pi zero wrote:
I find
On 18 February 2014 16:34, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote:
That's interesting - my take on AGF always was that it was a way to avoid
assumptions - another way of saying to give people the benefit of the doubt
without being such a cliché (even though it's probably even more of one
now).
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 8:48 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 February 2014 16:34, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote:
That's interesting - my take on AGF always was that it was a way to avoid
assumptions - another way of saying to give people the benefit of the
doubt
summary: don't reply in a hurry or when you're pissed. Try not to piss off
others and don't assume they just mean bad. Don't waste time. Stay on
topic. Humans are still humans. Be nice. Try to do better tomorrow. Kthx.
News?
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and yes I see the paradox that I also just wrote that in a hurry and was a
little frustrated because it honestly seemed to me like those things
weren't new. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be discussed. I'm just
personally like: 'would rather do technical stuff.. too busy..'.. finding a
+1
Balance is always the trick.
On Feb 18, 2014, at 9:52 AM, Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org wrote:
and yes I see the paradox that I also just wrote that in a hurry and was a
little frustrated because it honestly seemed to me like those things
weren't new. But that doesn't mean they
I'd even condense it further:
If you are really pissed off by a mail, sleep over it before you reply.
The more you are pissed off, the more let it settle for a while.
This is even law in many places like in german, austrian or british
armies: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milit%C3%A4rische_Nacht
There are multiple readings of Assume Good Faith. I think pi zero was
pointing out that it can be used to justify 'violent' communications. Oh,
sure, it might seem like I just punched you in the nose, but you must AGF
and respond as I were just trying to kill a mosquito that happened to have
Il 18/02/2014 21:12, C. Scott Ananian ha scritto:
There are multiple readings of Assume Good Faith. I think pi zero was
pointing out that it can be used to justify 'violent' communications. Oh,
sure, it might seem like I just punched you in the nose, but you must AGF
and respond as I were just
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Vito vituzzu.w...@gmail.com wrote:
In my experience 50% of people asking to AGF'em are actually in bad faith
:D
And I guess what I'm saying is that perhaps we should be focusing our
attention on WP:CIVIL and other rules which are supposed to protect against
Il 18/02/2014 21:26, C. Scott Ananian ha scritto:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Vito vituzzu.w...@gmail.com wrote:
In my experience 50% of people asking to AGF'em are actually in bad faith
:D
And I guess what I'm saying is that perhaps we should be focusing our
attention on WP:CIVIL and
On Feb 18, 2014 4:12 PM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.org wrote:
There are multiple readings of Assume Good Faith. I think pi zero was
pointing out that it can be used to justify 'violent' communications. Oh,
sure, it might seem like I just punched you in the nose, but you must AGF
On 18 February 2014 20:26, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Vito vituzzu.w...@gmail.com wrote:
In my experience 50% of people asking to AGF'em are actually in bad faith
:D
And I guess what I'm saying is that perhaps we should be focusing our
Hoy all,
I've been meaning to start a thread about this for a while, but just hadn't
gotten around to it. Things have been rather heated the past few days, so I
figured now would be as good a time as any to go about starting this thread.
Have any of you ever heard of Non-Violent Communication
On 02/17/2014 02:45 PM, Derric Atzrott wrote:
NVC values honestly expressing your own needs and feeling and empathetically
listening to those of others.
You know, I'm generally considered to be reasonably skilled at
communications; and I think that I have had some success in remaining
cordial
NVC values honestly expressing your own needs and feeling and empathetically
listening to those of others.
You know, I'm generally considered to be reasonably skilled at
communications; and I think that I have had some success in remaining
cordial and attentive to both my colleagues and the
+1
When I read certain threads on this list, I feel like the assume good faith
principle is often forgotten.
Because this behavior makes me not want to participate in discussions about
issues I actually care about, I wonder how many other voices, like mine, aren't
heard, and to what degree
I basically agree with everything Marc said, but you bring up a very
good point about assuming good faith. That seems like something that
would probably go the furthest towards addressing the underlying
problem. Can I tape you two together?
-I
On 17/02/14 20:45, Monte Hurd wrote:
+1
When I
- Original Message -
From: Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com
Have any of you ever heard of Non-Violent Communication (NVC).
No, but I don't think it's an optimal choice of name. In my view, it's
accusing of a malevolent motivation people who are not you, who may not
*hold*
On 17 feb. 2014, at 21:45, Monte Hurd mh...@wikimedia.org wrote:
+1
When I read certain threads on this list, I feel like the assume good faith
principle is often forgotten.
Because this behavior makes me not want to participate in discussions about
issues I actually care about, I
Interesting...
I have very little authority to stand on, but in my exposure to so-called
NVC, it seems more appropriate for diplomatic negotiations than for any
real-life human situation. IMO this approach boils down to getting your
way without looking like a dick. Creeps me out.
That said,
If you're pissed, that's when you use something like NVC, except taking
it even further, perhaps. Put other people on edge too, but then if they
do anything about it, wll...
I think this may be the standard approach on a lot of discussion boards
on enwp.
On 18/02/14 03:26, Adam Wight
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