On 01/18/2014 12:33 AM, Erik Moeller wrote:
I'm not arguing for open editing from Tor. I do think it would be nice
if global exemptions could in fact be obtained reasonably easily be
emailing stewa...@wikimedia.org. While it's true that such requests
could be misused, the following are also
On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Jan Zerebecki
jan.wikime...@zerebecki.dewrote:
What would be involved for someone to misuse _without_ Tor?:
1) Find a free WiFi spot you haven't used before.
2) Create account (no need to enter any Email).
3) Abuse and repeat if you get banned.
I tried 1 and
On 1 February 2014 09:12, Jan Zerebecki jan.wikime...@zerebecki.de wrote:
1) Find a free WiFi spot you haven't used before.
2) Create account (no need to enter any Email).
3) Abuse and repeat if you get banned.
That doesn't always work. Many open access points like this are blocked
such that
On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote:
Your scenario is based on the premise that Wikipedia vandals care enough
about vandalizing Wikipedia that they would get in their car (assuming
they're old enough to have a license), drive to the nearest Starbucks,
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org wrote:
To satisfy Applebaum's request, there needs to be a mechanism whereby
someone can edit even if *all of their communications with Wikipedia,
including the initial contact* are coming over Tor or equivalent.
Blinded,
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
I tested the existing process by creating a new riseup.net email
account via Tor, then requesting account creation and a global
exemption via stewa...@wikimedia.org. My account creation request was
granted, but for
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
To satisfy Applebaum's request, there needs to be a mechanism whereby
someone can edit even if *all of their communications with Wikipedia,
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
I tested the existing process by creating a new riseup.net email
account via Tor, then requesting account creation and a global
exemption via stewa...@wikimedia.org. My account creation request was
granted, but for
On 01/17/2014 01:21 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
This seems like a valid reason for a global exemption to me, so I'm
not sure the current global policy is sufficient.
To be fair, Erik, I don't think it's fair to expect that one would be
granted IPBE (especially globally) simply by just remembering
Am 17.01.2014 20:08, schrieb Marc A. Pelletier:
The problem isn't straight up vandalism (IPBE is no help there -- the
account'd get swiftly blocked) but socking. POV warriors know how to
misuse proxies and anonymity to multiply their consensus, and having
IPBE and editing through any sort of
On 17 January 2014 14:08, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:
On 01/17/2014 01:21 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
This seems like a valid reason for a global exemption to me, so I'm
not sure the current global policy is sufficient.
To be fair, Erik, I don't think it's fair to expect that one
On 01/17/2014 02:15 PM, Thomas Gries wrote:
In the further passages Peter Wayner explains a one straight-forward solution
is to use some form of certificates with a *blind signature*, a technique that
borrows from some of the early solutions for building anonymous digital cash
(A typical
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:
The problem isn't straight up vandalism (IPBE is no help there -- the
account'd get swiftly blocked) but socking. POV warriors know how to
misuse proxies and anonymity to multiply their consensus, and having
IPBE and
On 17 January 2014 16:26, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org
wrote:
The problem isn't straight up vandalism (IPBE is no help there -- the
account'd get swiftly blocked) but socking. POV warriors know how to
misuse
On 01/17/2014 04:26 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
I understand. Wikimedia's current abuse prevention strategies rely on
limits to user privacy being maintained, and any technical solution
that attempts to broaden access for Tor users is unlikely to be
successful at any significant scale unless this
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
End of the day, though, absent blocking problematic IP addresses and ranges
(which really can't be done unless the person blocking actually knows the
IP address or range), the socks and spammers just keep coming. This
problem
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
It would allow a motivated person to reset their identity and go
undetected provided they avoid the kind of articles and behaviors they
got in trouble over in the first place. It's not clear to me that the
consequences
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 01:26:04PM -0800, Erik Moeller wrote:
The Board or global community could decide that protecting users'
right to anonymity is more important than having abuse prevention
tools relying on IP disclosure, but in the absence of such a
Board-level decision or community-wide
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