Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-12 Thread Platonides
Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > People _do_ post problems using Bugzilla.. What you are saying is that the > _intention_ is not to use it for urgent sysadmin stuff. New bugzilla bugs > _are_ posted on IRC in order to get people's attention. This real time > attention negates your assertion that it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-12 Thread Domas Mituzas
> Or wikitech-l, in which case someone else will surely forward your > message > to IRC :). I think you people should follow the trend and twitter about it. someone will definitely follow and notice! -- Domas Mituzas -- http://dammit.lt/ -- [[user:midom]]

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-12 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > I would suggest either using IRC or waiting patiently. Or wikitech-l, in which case someone else will surely forward your message to IRC :). (Unfortunately, it'll also spawn 30 posts about whether or not it was appropriate to post to wikite

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-11 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/11 Aude : > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Tim Starling wrote: > >> >> >> Please report urgent system administration issues to IRC, specifically >> #wikimedia-tech on irc.freenode.net. >> >> -- Tim Starling >> > > > Certainly IRC is the best way to inform developers and sys admins of a > p

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Brion thank you. Gerard 2009/3/12 Brion Vibber > On 3/11/09 3:41 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > > Gerard Meijssen wrote: > >> 2009/3/11 Chad wrote: > >>> Not to mention, depending on the error it could be entirely possible > >>> that Bugzilla is down as well. > >> If this is true, you just prov

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-11 Thread Brion Vibber
On 3/11/09 3:41 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > Gerard Meijssen wrote: >> 2009/3/11 Chad wrote: >>> Not to mention, depending on the error it could be entirely possible >>> that Bugzilla is down as well. >> If this is true, you just provided the best argument why the setup of >> Bugzilla should be chang

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-11 Thread Chad
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > People _do_ post problems using Bugzilla.. What you are saying is that the > _intention_ is not to use it for urgent sysadmin stuff. New bugzilla bugs > _are_ posted on IRC in order to get people's attention. This real time > attenti

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-11 Thread Aude
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Tim Starling wrote: > > > Please report urgent system administration issues to IRC, specifically > #wikimedia-tech on irc.freenode.net. > > -- Tim Starling > Certainly IRC is the best way to inform developers and sys admins of a problem with Wikipedia. As a user

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-11 Thread Tim Starling
Gerard Meijssen wrote: > 2009/3/11 Chad wrote: >> Not to mention, depending on the error it could be entirely possible >> that Bugzilla is down as well. > > If this is true, you just provided the best argument why the setup of > Bugzilla should be changed. You do not want to have the tools that r

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, People _do_ post problems using Bugzilla.. What you are saying is that the _intention_ is not to use it for urgent sysadmin stuff. New bugzilla bugs _are_ posted on IRC in order to get people's attention. This real time attention negates your assertion that it is not treated as urgent. my poi

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-11 Thread Chad
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > If this is true, you just provided the best argument why the setup of > Bugzilla should be changed. You do not want to have the tools that report on > the availability of your production servers to be dependent on those same > produc

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, If this is true, you just provided the best argument why the setup of Bugzilla should be changed. You do not want to have the tools that report on the availability of your production servers to be dependent on those same production servers. Thanks, GerardM 2009/3/11 Chad > On Wed, Ma

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-11 Thread Chad
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > K. Peachey wrote: >>> Please report urgent system administration issues to IRC, specifically >>> #wikimedia-tech on irc.freenode.net. >>> >>> -- Tim Starling >> Not everyone knows how to use IRC, i would recommend that you >> recommend people

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-11 Thread Tim Starling
K. Peachey wrote: >> Please report urgent system administration issues to IRC, specifically >> #wikimedia-tech on irc.freenode.net. >> >> -- Tim Starling > Not everyone knows how to use IRC, i would recommend that you > recommend people report to bugzilla with urgent tags instead. That would just

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-11 Thread Domas Mituzas
Hello, just for clarity, "table is full" was the edge case which consisted of very narrow index, slightly too low MAX_ROWS specification and lots of rows. In 4.1 and earlier versions MySQL was using 4-byte data pointers by default, and to bypass that one has to specify maximum rows and ave

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Chris Down
Yes, but whilst StatusBot and the proposed bot would have comparable edit statistics, the latter would have more of a reason for running than 'to update people's statuses'. It's not just about actions, it's about the justification for those actions. - Chris On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Soxred

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Soxred93
What about replag? The bot would puke every time that replication stops. On Mar 10, 2009, at 8:02 PM [Mar 10, 2009 ], Robert Rohde wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:43 PM, K. Peachey > wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Rohde >> wrote: >>> Out of curiousity, when a technical

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Soxred93
In case you didn't see the whole StatusBot fiasco on enwiki, I used to run a bot as a replacement to a replacement of [[User:StatusBot]]. The bot made 50k edis in a few months, and was soon shut down by Brion. A bot the edits the sandbox every few minutes would no way be approved. On Mar 1

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Brion Vibber
On 3/10/09 5:02 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: > Such things are probably totally unnecessary on enwiki, because there > is no shortage of people to complain, but I could image it might be > useful to have such an alert for smaller, non-English speaking wikis. *nod* -- brion ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Brion Vibber
On 3/10/09 4:39 PM, Platonides wrote: > The procedure is "a lot of people enter #wikimedia-tech complaining > about it". > There are automated alerts about servers going down or not having enough > free space on disk, but not for 'saving an edit failed'. That would be > tricky to do. Wouldn't be t

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:15 PM, K. Peachey wrote: > Not everyone knows how to use IRC, i would recommend that you > recommend people report to bugzilla with urgent tags instead. Sysadmins do not check Bugzilla constantly. They do check IRC constantly if you say their names in the right channel.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Robert Rohde
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:43 PM, K. Peachey wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Rohde wrote: >> Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on >> a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts?  Is it >> likely to be noticed and addressed even if no

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/10 K. Peachey : >> A bot that edits the sandbox every few minutes would work, would it? > Possibly, but i would bump it up to like every two hours. Plus since > the MySQL is spread between multipul systems you would have make sure > it checks the same one all the time. If you're going to wa

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread K. Peachey
> A bot that edits the sandbox every few minutes would work, would it? Possibly, but i would bump it up to like every two hours. Plus since the MySQL is spread between multipul systems you would have make sure it checks the same one all the time. ___ Wik

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/10 K. Peachey : > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Rohde wrote: >> Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on >> a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts?  Is it >> likely to be noticed and addressed even if no one rushes to IRC? >> >> I gu

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread K. Peachey
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Rohde wrote: > Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on > a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts?  Is it > likely to be noticed and addressed even if no one rushes to IRC? > > I guess I am curious what is the n

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Platonides
Robert Rohde wrote: > Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on > a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts? Is it > likely to be noticed and addressed even if no one rushes to IRC? > > I guess I am curious what is the normal delay between problem onset

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Robert Rohde
Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts? Is it likely to be noticed and addressed even if no one rushes to IRC? I guess I am curious what is the normal delay between problem onset and problem recognition? -Ro

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread K. Peachey
> Please report urgent system administration issues to IRC, specifically > #wikimedia-tech on irc.freenode.net. > > -- Tim Starling Not everyone knows how to use IRC, i would recommend that you recommend people report to bugzilla with urgent tags instead. __

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Tim Starling
Magnus Manske wrote: > Database error > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > Jump to: navigation, search > A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in > the software. The last attempted database query was: > > (SQL query hidden) > > from within function "External

[Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-09 Thread Magnus Manske
Database error >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from within function "ExternalStoreDB::store". MySQL returned error