Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-11-10 Thread Toby Negrin
Hi all -- I wanted to follow up on this thread with the results of the test: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Finland_Banner_Test TLDR: While we saw a big increase in installs and opens, we found that the campaign did not significantly increase pageviews, leading us to conclude that

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-09 Thread Ryan Lane
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:08 AM, Adam Wight wrote: > > Another misconception or oversight I want to bring up is that Fundraising > is the team pioneering the 2/3-page or full-page banners. We're driving > readers from the website to completely closed and somewhat evil payments > platforms. If th

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-09 Thread Adam Wight
Brandon, great to hear from you! I think you're working off of old information--like Matt said, you can edit via the app now. It's cool that you're inspired to bring up more questions, though, and I'm glad you're focusing on the design phase of the next experiment. Are you busy for the next ten

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-08 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 09/04/2015 03:12 PM, Brandon Harris wrote: On Sep 2, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Toby Negrin wrote: 1. We're moving people from an open platform to a closed platform: I think this is an oversimplification of the situation -- as has been noted before, the android app is 100% open source and while t

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 September 2015 at 20:12, Brandon Harris wrote: > So it seems to me that the apps are not required to fulfill the > mission. They feel like distractions, and - quite possibly - negatives to > the mission (in that we can't convert Readers into Editors through the app). It's worth

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-04 Thread Brandon Harris
> On Sep 2, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Toby Negrin wrote: > 1. We're moving people from an open platform to a closed platform: I think > this is an oversimplification of the situation -- as has been noted before, > the android app is 100% open source and while the data is not, in my > opinion, comprehens

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-02 Thread Toby Negrin
Hi all -- I'm going to try to address as many of the issues mentioned in this thread and the Phabricator ticket[1] as I can. I'm going to preface this by explaining why we're doing this. First of all, this is only a test in order to increase our understanding of how our readers interact with our

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-02 Thread Ricordisamoa
Il 02/09/2015 22:26, Antoine Musso ha scritto: Le 01/09/2015 17:30, Ori Livneh a écrit : We appear to be running a banner campaign on the mobile web site, driving people to download the mobile app: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/?banner=Aug2015_app_banner_2 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/?ban

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-02 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 09/02/2015 03:55 PM, Ryan Lane wrote: Even ignoring the "is it right and ethical" debate, there's a pretty large amount of research over the past 6 or so months that show this is a bad idea. [citation needed] Matt Flaschen ___ Wikitech-l mailing

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-02 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 01/09/2015 17:30, Ori Livneh a écrit : > We appear to be running a banner campaign on the mobile web site, driving > people to download the mobile app: > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/?banner=Aug2015_app_banner_2 > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/?banner=Aug2015_app_banner_1 > > Campaign d

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-02 Thread Ryan Lane
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > And without any answer to my question about whether this was an actual > A/B test, and whether you're measuring overall user utility rather > than 'did they download it', this is also highly subjective and costly > both in terms of time and

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-02 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Brandon Harris wrote: > >> On Sep 2, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Gergo Tisza wrote: >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 6:19 AM, Oliver Keyes wrote: >> >>> For what it's worth, the line " For one thing, they can turn out >>> negative, in which case we will have been spared a ph

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-02 Thread Oliver Keyes
On 2 September 2015 at 14:17, Gergo Tisza wrote: > On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 6:19 AM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > >> For what it's worth, the line " For one thing, they can turn out >> negative, in which case we will have been spared a philosophical >> debate about openness." comes off as very snarky and

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-02 Thread Ryan Lane
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 10:50 PM, Gergo Tisza wrote: > On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 10:09 PM, Ori Livneh wrote: > > > Just in time! > > http://techcrunch.com/2015/09/01/death-to-app-install-interstitials/ > > > Interstitials are full-page ads where you have to click a link to get to > the actual conten

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-02 Thread Brandon Harris
> On Sep 2, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Gergo Tisza wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 6:19 AM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > >> For what it's worth, the line " For one thing, they can turn out >> negative, in which case we will have been spared a philosophical >> debate about openness." comes off as very snar

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-02 Thread Gergo Tisza
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 6:19 AM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > For what it's worth, the line " For one thing, they can turn out > negative, in which case we will have been spared a philosophical > debate about openness." comes off as very snarky and also entirely the > wrong approach. Debates about the

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-02 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:10 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > What was the publicising of the campaign prior to its launch? > > It should be pretty apparent to people with experience within the > movement that this would be both entirely novel and pretty > controversial. As mentioned on the Phabricator

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-02 Thread Oliver Keyes
For what it's worth, the line " For one thing, they can turn out negative, in which case we will have been spared a philosophical debate about openness." comes off as very snarky and also entirely the wrong approach. Whether something is /within our ethos/ should not be something we discuss after

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-02 Thread Oliver Keyes
On 2 September 2015 at 01:50, Gergo Tisza wrote: > On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 10:09 PM, Ori Livneh wrote: > >> Just in time! >> http://techcrunch.com/2015/09/01/death-to-app-install-interstitials/ > > > Interstitials are full-page ads where you have to click a link to get to > the actual content. The

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-01 Thread Ricordisamoa
Il 02/09/2015 07:39, Matthew Flaschen ha scritto: On 09/01/2015 11:30 AM, Ori Livneh wrote: We appear to be running a banner campaign on the mobile web site, driving people to download the mobile app: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/?banner=Aug2015_app_banner_2 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-01 Thread Gergo Tisza
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 10:09 PM, Ori Livneh wrote: > Just in time! > http://techcrunch.com/2015/09/01/death-to-app-install-interstitials/ Interstitials are full-page ads where you have to click a link to get to the actual content. These are normal banners. More importantly, as you can see in th

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-01 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 09/01/2015 11:30 AM, Ori Livneh wrote: We appear to be running a banner campaign on the mobile web site, driving people to download the mobile app: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/?banner=Aug2015_app_banner_2 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/?banner=Aug2015_app_banner_1 Campaign definition: h

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-01 Thread Ori Livneh
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Ori Livneh wrote: > We appear to be running a banner campaign on the mobile web site, driving > people to download the mobile app: > Just in time! http://techcrunch.com/2015/09/01/death-to-app-install-interstitials/ ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-01 Thread Oliver Keyes
What was the publicising of the campaign prior to its launch? It should be pretty apparent to people with experience within the movement that this would be both entirely novel and pretty controversial. I'd expect some amount of transparency around it (a phabricator ticket is not, in and of itself,

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-01 Thread Greg Grossmeier
> It's been discussed previously both on this list and elsewhere, but for > better or worse the Wikimedia Foundation has an entire "Mobile apps" team > that pretty much exclusively works on closed platforms, as I understand > it. They've gone as far as to abandon Gerrit in favor of GitHub. For th

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-01 Thread MZMcBride
Ori Livneh wrote: >We appear to be running a banner campaign on the mobile web site, driving >people to download the mobile app: > >https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/?banner=Aug2015_app_banner_2 >https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/?banner=Aug2015_app_banner_1 > >[...] > >This isn't cool. This isn't us.

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Try the free Wikipedia app" banners

2015-09-01 Thread Gergo Tisza
Probably T103896 but in that case something was misconfigured (those should only show in Finland). On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Ori Livneh wrote: > We appear to be running a banner campaign on the mobile web site, driving > people to download the mo