Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 4:47 AM, Jon Robson wrote: > Why not? Whats wrong with a fixed width centered site? Because reading text like this is really annoying when you have gigantic amounts of wasted whitespace on either side. (And it's even worse if someone decides that

Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

On 17 Nov 2015 12:28 a.m., "Brad Jorsch (Anomie)" wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 4:47 AM, Jon Robson wrote: > > > Why not? Whats wrong with a fixed width centered site? > > > Because reading > text like this > is really annoying > when you have >

Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

On 15 Nov 2015 2:31 p.m., "Isarra Yos" wrote: > > I agree that it's important to move away from desktop-first, but switching to mobile-first isn't the answer either. For Why not? Whats wrong with a fixed width centered site? Old phones do not have media query support nor do

Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

Your email client seems to have mangled the indenting for some reason, so I tried to repair it. Apologies if I've messed anything up in the process. On 15/11/15 09:47, Jon Robson wrote: On 15 Nov 2015 2:31 p.m., "Isarra Yos" wrote: I agree that it's important to move

Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

Is there any way to use addModuleStyles() so that it outputs browser-conditional stylesheets? Such that such a one could apply only to IE8-? That's really what I need here. On 15/11/15 00:17, Krinkle wrote: Just wanna make a small correction here to avoid confusion. The top and bottom queue

Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

I agree that it's important to move away from desktop-first, but switching to mobile-first isn't the answer either. For complex products (discussion boards, skins, anything that could benefit from a lot of space), there are going mobile-specific styles same as any other resolution - do ANY as

Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

I should also add that the reason I say this is that IE8 is not the only browser that doesn't support media queries. There are many browsers that were written before IE8 and installed on phones with no upgrade path. This is just one of the biggest ones. On 15 Nov 2015 7:08 a.m.,

Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

The solution to this is to do true mobile first development e.g. wrap your desktop and tablet styles in media queries. Rendering a mobile site in IE8 is an acceptable trade off and ensures the content remains readable which is the most important thing here. We (Wikimedia devs) still build desktop

Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

On 2015-11-14 2:39 PM, Jon Robson wrote: > While it is possible to simply add CSS to the page header using outputPage, > probably bypassing RL and all that entirely, this only works with CSS, not > LESS, because all the LESS magic is happening within RL. So without RL, > that means you need to

Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

Just wanna make a small correction here to avoid confusion. The top and bottom queue are both JavaScript-enabled, using 'position' => 'top' only controls where the load() command is placed (at the top or bottom, naturally). Neither of these will run in IE 8 after January. What Florian is

Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

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Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

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Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

f: Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016 I don't really understand how this solves anything, though - the stylesheets need to be conditional because IE8 needs a different value for the @media than everything else (and thus can't use the same m

Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

Yes. Yes. YES! Il 12/11/2015 03:11, Krinkle ha scritto: Hey all, Starting in January 2016, MediaWiki will end JavaScript support for Microsoft Internet Explorer 8. This raises the cut-off up from MSIE 7. Users with this browser will still be able to browse, edit, and otherwise contribute to

Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Paladox wrote: > Why not start informing ie8 users now so that it gives them plenty of time > to update. I would recommend them switching to chrome or firefox if on > windows xp since ie9 is not available on windows xp. Because

Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

On 12 November 2015 at 10:50, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > Would it be worth running a CentralNotice banner in January specifically > for IE8 users to inform them of the change and encourage them to upgrade? > ​Given CN banners are shown with​ JavaScript (and we'd certainly not

Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

Why not start informing ie8 users now so that it gives them plenty of time to update. I would recommend them switching to chrome or firefox if on windows xp since ie9 is not available on windows xp. On Thursday, 12 November 2015, 18:50, Ryan Kaldari wrote:

Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

Perhaps I should clarify why this is a problem. In fully responsive skins, you generally have separate stylesheets for desktop, mobile, really big desktop, whatever in order to keep the CSS rules simple and not redundant (to avoid having mobile overriding desktop rules or visa versa, you just

Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

Would it be worth running a CentralNotice banner in January specifically for IE8 users to inform them of the change and encourage them to upgrade? On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Krinkle wrote: > Hey all, > > Starting in January 2016, MediaWiki will end JavaScript

Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016

Is there a way to conditionally load RL modules for folks using IE8? Because I couldn't figure out any proper way to do that in my skins and I've just been using js to do it instead as a result. But that's not going to work anymore. But it's also stupid regardless. On 12/11/15 02:11, Krinkle