Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Developer Summit: The future of Language Converter

2015-01-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It has always been very clear that the script conversion for Serbian and Chinese is very important. Every time it has been stressed that it needs to remain available. The fact that technically you have a challenge does not take anything away from it. I am quite confident that the Language

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts: stateless services with open servers?

2015-01-28 Thread Daniel Friesen
We could also try convincing the semi-decent shared hosts like Dreamhost and Linode to run a service of their own for their customers. That reminds me, I had an idea lying around somewhere about making it possible for things like shared hosts to offer configuration hints to the installer.

[Wikitech-l] Technical question about FQDN

2015-01-28 Thread Ilario Valdelli
May someone help me? I have read the short documentation of variables like: $wgInternalServer $wgServer But I don't understand how combine them to get the Mediawiki accessible internally with a local IP AND externally with a FQDN without broking the absolute links of the CSS and javascripts.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts: stateless services with open servers?

2015-01-28 Thread Petr Bena
So if all wikis on world would use this central parsoid, I wouldn't like to see that huge outage when the parsoid server breaks :P On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: The only true precedent we have here is the public Collection server run by

Re: [Wikitech-l] Technical question about FQDN

2015-01-28 Thread Brian Wolff
On Jan 28, 2015 6:18 AM, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote: May someone help me? I have read the short documentation of variables like: $wgInternalServer $wgServer But I don't understand how combine them to get the Mediawiki accessible internally with a local IP AND externally

[Wikitech-l] Dev Summit debrief: SOA proliferation through specification

2015-01-28 Thread James Douglas
Howdy all, It was a pleasure chatting with you at this year's Developer Summit[1] about how we might give SOA a shot in the arm by creating (and building from) specifications. The slides are available on the RESTBase project pages[2] and the session notes are available on Etherpad[3]. I'm eager

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] DevSummit appreciation

2015-01-28 Thread Tyler Romeo
I have to say: I think the presentations this year were better than ever, and we definitely got a lot of important discussion done concerning the future of SOA and MediaWiki. --  Tyler Romeo 0x405D34A7C86B42DF On January 28, 2015 at 09:16:00, Brion Vibber (bvib...@wikimedia.org) wrote: Agreed

[Wikitech-l] Request for comments for RESTBase?

2015-01-28 Thread MZMcBride
Hi. There's been quite a bit of discussion about RESTBase lately. Is there a request for comments on mediawiki.org about RESTBase? I looked at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment and didn't see one. From my limited understanding of what's being proposed, I'd personally be a lot

Re: [Wikitech-l] Request for comments for RESTBase?

2015-01-28 Thread Gabriel Wicke
MZMcBride, the two RFCs that originally discussed RESTBase are: - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Storage_service - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Content_API They were both originally discussed at the arch summit in January 2014. We have since had two

Re: [Wikitech-l] Request for comments for RESTBase?

2015-01-28 Thread MZMcBride
Gabriel Wicke wrote: the two RFCs that originally discussed RESTBase are: - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Storage_service - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Content_API They were both originally discussed at the arch summit in January 2014. We have since

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dev Summit debrief: SOA proliferation through specification

2015-01-28 Thread Ori Livneh
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:30 PM, James Douglas jdoug...@wikimedia.org wrote: Howdy all, It was a pleasure chatting with you at this year's Developer Summit[1] about how we might give SOA a shot in the arm by creating (and building from) specifications. The slides are available on the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dev Summit debrief: SOA proliferation through specification

2015-01-28 Thread Brian Gerstle
JSON Schema is a recurring theme here which I'd like to encourage. I've thought it was a promising idea and would like to explore it further, both on the client and server side. If we can somehow keep data schema and API specifications separate, it would be nice to develop both of these ideas in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Request for comments for RESTBase?

2015-01-28 Thread MZMcBride
MZMcBride wrote: I updated the RESTBase page on mediawiki.org: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=1381405oldid=1283570. I started a discussion on the talk page about the status of RESTBase. As far as I can tell, it's simply proposed right now if both related RFCs haven't been accepted,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts: stateless services with open servers?

2015-01-28 Thread Gabriel Wicke
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Another possibility is to shell out to nodejs-based services as an alternative to running them as ongoing web services. I have a hard time imagining a situation where you can install node and everything else, but

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts: stateless services with open servers?

2015-01-28 Thread Gabriel Wicke
Brad, On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: If you're not on Debian or Ubuntu. Although yum install parsiod or whatever might work on other Linux distros, what if you're on Windows or something more exotic? I think that we can help most users

[Wikitech-l] Wikimedia engineering report, November 2014

2015-01-28 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi, The report covering Wikimedia engineering activities in November 2014 is now available: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/Report/2014/November -- Guillaume Paumier ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts: stateless services with open servers?

2015-01-28 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: I have a hard time imagining a situation where you can install node and everything else, but would not just apt-get install parsoid https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/Setup or mathoid. If you're not on Debian or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts: stateless services with open servers?

2015-01-28 Thread Scott MacLeod
Gabriel and Wikimedia developers, In what ways might you be anticipating developments with SemanticMediaWiki, and in what ways not? Scott On Jan 28, 2015 9:52 AM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Another

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts: stateless services with open servers?

2015-01-28 Thread Brion Vibber
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: I believe we can make installing a fully-featured MediaWiki service system as simple as copypasting 2-3 lines to a shell, or even executing a remote installer script that runs those lines for you. Additionally, we can

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts: stateless services with open servers?

2015-01-28 Thread Gabriel Wicke
Scott, On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Scott MacLeod helia...@gmail.com wrote: Gabriel and Wikimedia developers, In what ways might you be anticipating developments with SemanticMediaWiki, and in what ways not? I definitely think that the mechanism needs to support the (optional)

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] DevSummit appreciation

2015-01-28 Thread Brion Vibber
Agreed - we had a great space and good support, the WiFi worked, power strips everywhere, and there was always coffee. I can ask for little more... ;) Thanks also to our fellow attendees -- I had a lot of great conversations and got a lot of data points to help set my work directions for the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts: stateless services with open servers?

2015-01-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 January 2015 at 08:13, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: We could also try convincing the semi-decent shared hosts like Dreamhost and Linode to run a service of their own for their customers. Yes, reaching out to a shared hosting company or two is definitely something to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts: stateless services with open servers?

2015-01-28 Thread James HK
While I agree that the most important cases should be *really* easy, I worry about the implication that all other cases (including development of core MediaWiki without using VMs) should necessarily be allowed to be *really* complex. If I'm no longer able to run MediaWiki from a XAMPP

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts: stateless services with open servers?

2015-01-28 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: I think that we can help most users more if we identify the most important use cases and focus on making those *really* easy. The installation in exotic scenarios should still be supported, but I think it's okay if it

[Wikitech-l] Scrum of Scrums notes

2015-01-28 Thread Matthew Flaschen
This is the Collaboration team update for 1/28. We are in early stages of improving the user experience for enabling and disabling Flow boards. We enabled Flow on two pages on Portuguese Wikipedia, and are preparing to finish enabling Flow for the Co-op

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts: stateless services with open servers?

2015-01-28 Thread Scott MacLeod
Gabriel, Thanks ... yes, that's what I meant, and I wonder further if SemanticMediaWiki will become very central five or ten years out (might it even displace MediaWiki itself as we know it now)? Scott On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: Scott, On

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts: stateless services with open servers?

2015-01-28 Thread Brion Vibber
I think XAMPP-type setups are actually probably going to adapt well here -- since you have full system access you can install and run NodeJS-based services as well. And an installer frontend can help manage setup so you don't have to manually do much. My biggest worry is the small installation on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts: stateless services with open servers?

2015-01-28 Thread James HK
since you have full system access you can install and run NodeJS-based services as well. And an installer frontend can help manage setup so you don't have to manually do much. Well, that's the point from your perspective that might cause no trouble because you know what to do but as a