Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3

2015-02-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 February 2015 at 08:28, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: OpenOffice's woes are unrelated to its license, it was already dead by forking when Oracle transferred it to Apache, facilitating a change from GPL+proprietary CLA to the Apache license. Indeed, but they touted the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Beta bounce handling completed with new beta-mx

2015-02-09 Thread Tony Thomas
Few more updates: Un-subscribe feature just got enabled[1] in group0 and we could successfully test the same, thanks to our TestVerp account in mediawiki.org. The current failure threshold is kept to 5 bounces in 7 days, to match mailman configs[2]. [1] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/189316/

Re: [Wikitech-l] Use of hreflang in the head

2015-02-09 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
This appears to be tracked at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T3433 It was reverted in 2009 for (alleged) l10n issues, which should be solvable. FWIW we just saved 4 KB per page with https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/177501/ Nemo ___ Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Urlencoding strip markers

2015-02-09 Thread Arlo Breault
On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Brion Vibber wrote: Special page inclusions shouldn't be able to do anything privileged; they're meant for public data. If that's not being enforced right now I'd recommend reworking or killing the special page inclusion system... Ok, although Brion's

Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3

2015-02-09 Thread Tyler Romeo
This entire conversation is a bit disappointing, mainly because I am a supporter of the free software movement, and like to believe that users should have a right to see the source code of software they use. Obviously not everybody feels this way and not everybody is going to support the free

Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3

2015-02-09 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: This entire conversation is a bit disappointing, mainly because I am a supporter of the free software movement, and like to believe that users should have a right to see the source code of software they use. Obviously

[Wikitech-l] Fix problem with CollapsibleVector

2015-02-09 Thread Thomas Mulhall
  Hi could I have some help to fix a problem that a user reported on the extension talk page. The talk page is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:CollapsibleVector and the title is flickering. I am not sure how to fix the problem I was wandering if someone on here knew how to fix

Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3

2015-02-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 February 2015 at 04:51, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Also, one cost of copyleft licenses is that they are much, much more complicated than permissive licenses. Even though many people feel comfortable with the compliance requirements of most OSI-approved licenses, the

Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3

2015-02-09 Thread Max Semenik
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:01 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 February 2015 at 04:51, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Also, one cost of copyleft licenses is that they are much, much more complicated than permissive licenses. Even though many people feel comfortable

[Wikitech-l] Main themes of the Wikimedia and Wikimania hackathons this year

2015-02-09 Thread Quim Gil
The MediaWiki Developer Summit had three main themes that helped structuring the schedule. These themes were useful, and they can be more useful for the hackathons in Lyon and Mexico City this year, since defining them indvance will help everybody organizing their travel. Anybody can propose a

[Wikitech-l] Define entry point to generate documentation

2015-02-09 Thread Antoine Musso
Hello, We are migrating Jenkins jobs to simply invokes [test entry points] (ex: composer test, npm test). Some repositories have documentation generated by Jenkins and pushed under https://doc.wikimedia.org/ . I would like to make it as trivial as possible for developers to configure Jenkins,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Define entry point to generate documentation

2015-02-09 Thread Bryan Davis
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: Hello, We are migrating Jenkins jobs to simply invokes [test entry points] (ex: composer test, npm test). Some repositories have documentation generated by Jenkins and pushed under https://doc.wikimedia.org/ . I would

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Announcement: Tyler Cipriani joins Wikimedia as Release Engineer

2015-02-09 Thread Tyler Cipriani
Thanks everybody for the warm welcome! After a whirlwind first day, it's time to retreat to Chipotle and Seinfield re-runs to help digest this massive information intake. Thanks again! Tyler ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikitech.wikimedia.org read-only, possible outage, 2015-02-10 0:00GMT

2015-02-09 Thread Andrew Bogott
This move is now complete. Things are working fine as best I can tell, but please file a bug or contact me if you see bad behavior. (But FIRST log out and back in, because that bug I already know about. *sigh* ) Many thanks to Sean Pringle for support with this move, and the other folks

Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3

2015-02-09 Thread Tyler Romeo
On February 9, 2015 at 15:17:22, Ryan Lane (rlan...@gmail.com) wrote: You're implying that Apache2 licensed software is somehow not part of the free software movement and that's absurd. Apache2 is technically a freer license than GPLv(anything). Like GPL3, it also provides patent protection. In

Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3

2015-02-09 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 09/02/2015 21:10, Thomas Mulhall a écrit : Should we create a page on mediawiki and allow people to vote for it or against. And advertise it on Wikimedia wiki so that users know there is a vote going on for GPL3. and we should hold the vote for 2 to 3 months giving time for users to vote

Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3

2015-02-09 Thread Ryan Kaldari
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On February 9, 2015 at 15:17:22, Ryan Lane (rlan...@gmail.com) wrote: You're implying that Apache2 licensed software is somehow not part of the free software movement and that's absurd. Apache2 is technically a freer

Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3

2015-02-09 Thread Max Semenik
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: I hope you don’t seriously think GPL software is not “truly free”. Well, it all depends on point of view on what is free. The FSF interpretation is you can do it your own way if it's done just how I say. Not everyone

[Wikitech-l] Announcement: Tyler Cipriani joins Wikimedia as Release Engineer

2015-02-09 Thread Greg Grossmeier
Hello all, I’m delighted to announce that Tyler Cipriani[0] is joining the foundation as a Release Engineer (obviously joining the Release Engineering team). Tyler lives (and will continue to work remotely from) where you can see the Flatirons[1] in Colorado and comes to us from SparkFun[2]

[Wikitech-l] Use of hreflang in the head

2015-02-09 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi folks, MediaWiki emits the hreflang attribute on language links, but only as part of the links in the body, and not in the head as recommended by Google [1]. The result of this is that Google (and possibly other search engines) doesn't interpret the hreflang attribute for purposes of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Use of hreflang in the head

2015-02-09 Thread Daniel Friesen
On 2015-02-09 2:16 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: This of course would add some additional payload to pages with lots of language links, but could help avoid results like [2] where the English language version of an article is #1 and the Indonesian one makes no appearance at all. Results vary greatly

Re: [Wikitech-l] [gerrit] EUREKA!

2015-02-09 Thread Quim Gil
On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 2:11 AM, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote: https://git.wikimedia.org/commit/apps%2Fios%2Fwikipedia/ 6532021b4f4b1f09390b1ffc3f09d149b2a8d9d1 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/rAPIW08f0d835ba4441eab28ce6914 24088e2b4743270 It works, but unlike

Re: [Wikitech-l] [gerrit] EUREKA!

2015-02-09 Thread Ricordisamoa
Il 09/02/2015 15:14, Quim Gil ha scritto: On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 2:11 AM, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote: https://git.wikimedia.org/commit/apps%2Fios%2Fwikipedia/ 6532021b4f4b1f09390b1ffc3f09d149b2a8d9d1 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/rAPIW08f0d835ba4441eab28ce6914

Re: [Wikitech-l] jenkings merging

2015-02-09 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 07/02/2015 01:56, Thomas Mulhall a écrit : Hi how do I get my skins and extensions to be merged automatically by jenkings like it does on centralauth projects are at https://git.wikimedia.org/summary/mediawiki%2Fskins%2FMetrolook and

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Announcement: Tyler Cipriani joins Wikimedia as Release Engineer

2015-02-09 Thread Tomasz Finc
Welcome Tyler. Great to have you join. Best of luck. --tomasz On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello all, I’m delighted to announce that Tyler Cipriani[0] is joining the foundation as a Release Engineer (obviously joining the Release Engineering

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Announcement: Tyler Cipriani joins Wikimedia as Release Engineer

2015-02-09 Thread Dan Duvall
Welcome, Tyler! I'm looking forward to working together. On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello all, I’m delighted to announce that Tyler Cipriani[0] is joining the foundation as a Release Engineer (obviously joining the Release Engineering team).

Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3

2015-02-09 Thread Andre Klapper
On Mon, 2015-02-09 at 20:10 +, Thomas Mulhall wrote: Should we create a page on mediawiki and allow people to vote for it or against. Nope, as software development is not a popularity contest. andre -- Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/

Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3

2015-02-09 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! This entire conversation is a bit disappointing, mainly because I am a supporter of the free software movement, and like to believe that users should have a right to see the source code of software they use. Obviously not everybody feels this way and not everybody is going to support the

Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3

2015-02-09 Thread Platonides
On 09/02/15 20:37, Tyler Romeo wrote: This entire conversation is a bit disappointing, mainly because I am a supporter of the free software movement, and like to believe that users should have a right to see the source code of software they use. Obviously not everybody feels this way and not

Re: [Wikitech-l] jenkings merging

2015-02-09 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
Look at the instructions at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Continuous_integration/Tutorials/Adding_a_MediaWiki_extension The final patch might look something like https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/174797/ On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Thomas Mulhall thomasmulhall...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi how

Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3

2015-02-09 Thread Thomas Mulhall
Should we create a page on mediawiki and allow people to vote for it or against. And advertise it on Wikimedia wiki so that users know there is a vote going on for GPL3. and we should hold the vote for 2 to 3 months giving time for users to vote and since this would probably be a big update to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Use of hreflang in the head

2015-02-09 Thread Brian Wolff
On Feb 9, 2015 7:07 AM, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: On 2015-02-09 2:16 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: This of course would add some additional payload to pages with lots of language links, but could help avoid results like [2] where the English language version of an article

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Announcement: Tyler Cipriani joins Wikimedia as Release Engineer

2015-02-09 Thread Kristen Lans
Welcome Tyler! Great to have you on board. On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Emily Blanchard eblanch...@wikimedia.org wrote: Welcome Tyler! Emily Blanchard Talent Acquisition Team Wikimedia Foundation eblanchard@wikimedia. eblanch...@gmail.comorg Follow us on Twitter @wikimediaatwork

[Wikitech-l] Preparing Google Summer of Code 2015 and Outreachy

2015-02-09 Thread Quim Gil
Today Google Summer of Code 2015 and Outreachy (was FOSS Outreach Program for Women, now open to other groups) have announced their call for organizations. Wikimedia will apply to both programs. The deadlines are February 20 and 17, respectively. THIS IS 7-10 DAYS FROM NOW! We need to update the

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Announcement: Tyler Cipriani joins Wikimedia as Release Engineer

2015-02-09 Thread Quim Gil
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: he is also “thrilled to be working at an organization whose values seemingly so closely align with [his] own.” ... and looking at his personal website he seems to enjoy writing prose! Tyler, welcome, and don't forget

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Announcement: Tyler Cipriani joins Wikimedia as Release Engineer

2015-02-09 Thread Arthur Richards
Welcome Tyler, great to have you aboard and I'm always happy to welcome folks in the Mountain Timezone :) On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Kristen Lans kl...@wikimedia.org wrote: Welcome Tyler! Great to have you on board. On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Emily Blanchard

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fix problem with CollapsibleVector

2015-02-09 Thread Thomas Mulhall
Bump On Monday, 9 February 2015, 19:34, Thomas Mulhall thomasmulhall...@yahoo.com wrote:   Hi could I have some help to fix a problem that a user reported on the extension talk page. The talk page is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:CollapsibleVector and the title is