[Wikitech-l] Free Disk Space needed for import

2013-03-09 Thread wiki
Hello. I'm a newbie who wants to start playing with the xml dumps. I've found instructions here and there on how to import these. I'd like to seek guidance though as to how much free disk space one is required to have for the MySql import to succeed? i.e. after I have already installed

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free Disk Space needed for import

2013-03-09 Thread wiki
Sorry, I forgot to mention that I have in mind the English wikipedia dump. wiki writes: Hello. I'm a newbie who wants to start playing with the xml dumps. I've found instructions here and there on how to import these. I'd like to seek guidance though as to how much free disk space one

Re: [Wikitech-l] Some Sort of Notice for Breaking Changes

2013-03-09 Thread Brian Wolff
On 3/8/13, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way that extension developers can get some sort of notice for breaking changes, e.g., https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50138? Luckily my extension's JobQueue implementation hasn't been merged yet, but if it had I would have no idea

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bug 1542 - Log spam blacklist hits

2013-03-09 Thread Platonides
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki's access points and mw-config

2013-03-09 Thread Brian Wolff
On 3/8/13, Waldir Pimenta wal...@email.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.comwrote: index.php, api.php, etc... provide entrypoints into the configured wiki. mw-config/ installs and upgrades the wiki. With much of itself disconnected from core

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki's access points and mw-config

2013-03-09 Thread Waldir Pimenta
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/8/13, Waldir Pimenta wal...@email.com wrote: ...I would suggest the mw-config directory to be renamed to something that more clearly identifies its purpose. I'm thinking first-run or something to that effect. I'll

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki's access points and mw-config

2013-03-09 Thread Platonides
On 09/03/13 15:47, Waldir Pimenta wrote: So mw-config can't be deleted after all? Or you mean the installer at includes/installer? Is you mean the former, then how about run-installer instead of my previous proposal of first-run? Any of these would be clearer than mw-config, imo. --Waldir

[Wikitech-l] Free Disk Space needed for import

2013-03-09 Thread gnosygnu
Sorry, I forgot to mention that I have in mind the English wikipedia dump. wiki writes: Hello. I'm a newbie who wants to start playing with the xml dumps. I've found instructions here and there on how to import these. I'd like to seek guidance though as to how much free disk space one is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Github/Gerrit mirroring

2013-03-09 Thread Matthew Bowker
Hi, all! Then, if a developer is not willing to learn Gerrit, its code is probably not worth the effort of integrating github/gerrit. That will just add some more poor quality code to you review queues. Submitting a patch to gerrit and even fixing it after code review is not that hard. (Of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Github/Gerrit mirroring

2013-03-09 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Should we re-start the lets migrate to github discussion? P.S. no, this is not a troll attempt, I am trying to understand if the costs of not getting quality volunteers is worth the benefits of gerrit, or if the two-system solution would solve all perceived complexities. Moreover, I do not know

Re: [Wikitech-l] Github/Gerrit mirroring

2013-03-09 Thread Ryan Lane
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Yuri Astrakhan yuriastrak...@gmail.comwrote: Should we re-start the lets migrate to github discussion? No. - Ryan ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Github/Gerrit mirroring

2013-03-09 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-03-08 2:20 PM, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 17:07:18 +0100, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: I guess the whole idea of using GitHub is for public relation and to attract new people. Then, if a developer is not willing to learn Gerrit, its

Re: [Wikitech-l] Github/Gerrit mirroring

2013-03-09 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Yes, lots of bad content might be submitted, but usually it is easy and quick to spot, and could become good content over time. What I think we should follow is the model that most other big open source projects follow, which does seem to have lower barrier of entry. On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 3:51

Re: [Wikitech-l] Github/Gerrit mirroring

2013-03-09 Thread Jon Robson
So, why am I not trying to learn Gerrit or try to submit patches? Because it's not worth my time. The interface is so far outside of what I'm used to, and it's just so touchy. By comparison, GitHub has a solid, no frills, Mac app that handles all of the important stuff. And, even when I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Github/Gerrit mirroring

2013-03-09 Thread Tyler Romeo
I strongly disagree that Gerrit is harder to learn than Github. The only difficult thing to understand is the web UI, which takes only a few minutes to really get used to. Let's look at the biggest complaints: - Submitting patchsets is hard - Install git-review and then just replace the git

Re: [Wikitech-l] Github/Gerrit mirroring

2013-03-09 Thread Steven Walling
On Mar 9, 2013 12:39 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Yuri Astrakhan yuriastrak...@gmail.com wrote: Should we re-start the lets migrate to github discussion? No. - Ryan I agree with what everyone has been saying about the barrier to entry with

Re: [Wikitech-l] Github/Gerrit mirroring

2013-03-09 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-03-09 5:04 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: So, why am I not trying to learn Gerrit or try to submit patches? Because it's not worth my time. The interface is so far outside of what I'm used to, and it's just so touchy. By comparison, GitHub has a solid, no frills, Mac app

Re: [Wikitech-l] Github/Gerrit mirroring

2013-03-09 Thread Jon Robson
In theory you are right - more folks = more awesomeness. In practice this involves a lot of effort, effort that people often are not willing to put in. Just look at our rather poor history with bugzilla patches (although things have improved) I see this as a good problem to have. On the short

Re: [Wikitech-l] Github/Gerrit mirroring

2013-03-09 Thread Tim Landscheidt
Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: [...] The point I'm trying to make is that the problems with Gerrit are not problems with Gerrit, but actually problems with Git itself. If you can't handle the basics of Gerrit, it's because you don't know how to use Git. And at that point I don't

Re: [Wikitech-l] switching to something better than irc.wikimedia.org

2013-03-09 Thread Damian Zaremba
On 01/03/2013 16:46, Asher Feldman wrote: I don't think a custom daemon would actually be needed. http://redis.io/topics/pubsub While I was at flickr, we implemented a pubsub based system to push notifications of all photo uploads and metadata changes to google using redis as the backend. The

[Wikitech-l] Has someone just changed math rendering?

2013-03-09 Thread David Gerard
This page came up with raw mathtex, then I saw a math rendering xx% counter at bottom right, then 15 seconds later I had the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether's_theorem I admit this sort of page would make a good stress test ... - d. ___

[Wikitech-l] Replacement for tagging in Gerrit

2013-03-09 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi folks, Short version: This mail is fishing for feedback on proposed work on Gerrit-Bugzilla integration to replace code review tags. Long version: One feature of our old code review system that was a tagging system that made it quick and easy to assign a keyword to a revision at any time.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Has someone just changed math rendering?

2013-03-09 Thread Steve Summit
David Gerard wrote: This page came up with raw mathtex, then I saw a math rendering xx% counter at bottom right, then 15 seconds later I had the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether's_theorem I admit this sort of page would make a good stress test ... Possibly related: the Math

[Wikitech-l] 40 million links to Wikipedia

2013-03-09 Thread Peter Kaminski
Here's big data dataset from Google Research and UMass IESL, 40 million links to Wikipedia pages where the anchor text of the link closely matches the title of the target Wikipedia page, from 10 million web pages, for the purposes of contextualized disambiguation: Learning from Big Data: 40

[Wikitech-l] Raw page view no longer showing language links for some pages?

2013-03-09 Thread Brian Cassidy
Hello, I'm the co-author of the WWW::Wikipedia Perl module ( https://metacpan.org/release/WWW-Wikipedia). It programmatically parses the raw source of a Wikipedia page. Of late, a few changes in behaviour have been reported to me -- all related to the language functionality. As it turns out a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Raw page view no longer showing language links for some pages?

2013-03-09 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Brian, due to the recent introduction of wikidata.org, most language links are now stored there. Regardless, you should try to avoid getting langlinks from the raw source, because it wastes a lot of bandwidth. Please consider using mediawiki APIhttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/APIto get just the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Github/Gerrit mirroring

2013-03-09 Thread Dan Andreescu
[...] The point I'm trying to make is that the problems with Gerrit are not problems with Gerrit, but actually problems with Git itself. If you can't handle the basics of Gerrit, it's because you don't know how to use Git. And at that point I don't see how GitHub is going to make things

[Wikitech-l] Live recent changes feed

2013-03-09 Thread Victor Vasiliev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everybody, For long time it was acknowledged that our current way of serving the recent changes feed to users (IRC with formatting using funny control codes) is one of the worst-suited for this purpose. It made the life miserable both for users

Re: [Wikitech-l] Github/Gerrit mirroring

2013-03-09 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 06:06:47 +0100, Dan Andreescu dandree...@wikimedia.org wrote: As for the argument that this will lower code quality, I think the burden of proof is on those making that assumption. You want me to link to patches created by contributors who have been carefully walked

Re: [Wikitech-l] Github/Gerrit mirroring

2013-03-09 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.comwrote: You want me to link to patches created by contributors who have been carefully walked through the process of submitting something to gerrit? Because I can do that, but it would be a little demeaning. (I can even

Re: [Wikitech-l] Live recent changes feed

2013-03-09 Thread Liangent
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everybody, For long time it was acknowledged that our current way of serving the recent changes feed to users (IRC with formatting using funny control codes) is one of