Re: [Wikitech-l] Feelings

2016-04-01 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Apr 1, 2016 11:00 PM, "C. Scott Ananian" wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Legoktm wrote: > > > I've written a patch[1] that introduces a new feature to the Thanks > > extension called "feelings". When hovering over a "thank" link,

Re: [Wikitech-l] changing edit summaries

2014-11-13 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Nov 13, 2014 7:09 PM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: Issues arise in the fact that malicious editors can abuse it after the initial review has been done. Or you can run into cases where offensive material is added attacking another editor, so editor B reports the issue and before

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-09 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Nov 9, 2014 10:40 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 November 2014 09:27, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious, Risker: if you don't mind my asking, what about being required to supply a throwaway

Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}

2014-10-11 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Oct 9, 2014 8:08 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Helder wrote: This is why we have proposals like https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/GlobalTemplates https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global-Wiki Yes, a million times this. We must figure out a way to centralize templates so that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-11 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Aug 11, 2014 12:04 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 11 August 2014 10:56, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote: The same is going to happen for Flow (which I strongly believe is needed, but is being deployed untimely) Flow is neither ready nor proposed for

Re: [Wikitech-l] slow death of anyone can edit concept (was: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming))

2014-08-09 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Saturday, August 9, 2014, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: On Fri, 8 Aug 2014, at 11:47, MZMcBride wrote: [...] For comparison, we now have MediaViewer, which moved through as a beta feature. They say MediaViewer may one day be as feature-ful as the file description pages

Re: [Wikitech-l] slow death of anyone can edit concept (was: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming))

2014-08-09 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Saturday, August 9, 2014, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: On Sat, 9 Aug 2014, at 23:59, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: [...] Once/if VE becomes production ready and performant, every page could load right in to the editor. No more pressing edit, just edit. This should happen

Re: [Wikitech-l] News about stolen Internet credentials; reducing Wikimedia reliance on usernames and passwords

2014-08-07 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Thursday, August 7, 2014, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have anything specific in mind? Hard to say how feasible something is/evaluate without being more specific. Most non-password alternatives that I can think of (e.g. Having public private key pairs or something) have the

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-18 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:46 AM, S Page sp...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: I personally find the topic history page[4] to be horrendous, both ugly and nearly unusable. We're going to revise topic history.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Getting phpunit working with Vagrant

2014-06-17 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 1:10 AM, Dan Duvall dduv...@wikimedia.org wrote: would also work, but on my system just `vagrant status` takes 1s which is not horrible, but is noticeable when run so often. For that reason i went for a check that could operate without booting ruby and loading

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tech Talk: How, What, Why of WikiFont

2014-06-11 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Rachel Farrand rfarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: Please join us on google hangout June 11 @ 1900 UTC http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WikiFontiso=20140611T12p1=224ah=1 for the following Tech Talk: *How, What, Why of WikiFont*

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jun 10, 2014 9:33 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, for me as a power user who watches many discussions simultaneously on multiple wikis, a unified watchlist and more refined tools for watchlist

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-09 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 8:22 AM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sunday, June 8, 2014, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Flow stores the comments

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-09 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Thomas Gries m...@tgries.de wrote: Am 09.06.2014 11:42, schrieb David Gerard: I wonder how much everyone would hate us if we just replaced talk pages with Apache Wave ... or Etherpad Why stop at talk pages?

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-09 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: That's precisely my point. Because current talk page discussions are - on the software level - unstructured, it allows social conventions

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-09 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:05 AM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 9 June 2014 02:30, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 8:22 AM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sunday, June 8, 2014, Martijn Hoekstra

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-09 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:20 AM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 9 June 2014 11:12, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:05 AM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 9 June 2014 02:30, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-09 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:33 AM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 9 June 2014 11:28, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:20 AM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: You think people want dual inheritance for comments

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-08 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: With that said, we will likely experiment with improvements to the existing talk page model as well, just to see how far we can push it. The mobile apps team is interested in implementing talk page support in the apps,

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-08 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Oops, sent too soon. More comments below. On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: Flow stores the comments as a structured tree That seems a fundamental mistake. A discussion isn't a tree, it's a dag at best. It's possible for a single comment

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-06 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 11:27 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 June 2014 19:17, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Personally I have yet to see a discussion system that surpasses (or really even comes close) to standard talk page :::comment here. syntax. Honestly it

Re: [Wikitech-l] That you to anonymous users

2014-05-22 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
that this could have privacy concerns. Delivering the message Martijn Hoekstra thanked this IP address for their edits on porn star y delivered to the wrong person in the same ip isn't great. I'm not sure this is different from talk page messages though, I think it isn't. If we stored more information

Re: [Wikitech-l] That you to anonymous users

2014-05-20 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On May 20, 2014 4:57 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 May 2014 15:35, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: I've recently noticed the Thank you feature is only available for signed-in users, while anons cannot receive thank yous. The anonymous users are often the ones that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Login to Wikimedia Phabricator with a GitHub/Google/etc account?

2014-05-16 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On May 16, 2014 1:42 AM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Ideally you would be able to link your (say) github and WMF account. So that if I (as an outsider) start a bug report/patch/etc using my existing github account, and then eventually get a WMF account (so that I can do

Re: [Wikitech-l] VE in 1.23? (was: Mozilla's Wiki Working Group meeting Tues 1600 UTC)

2014-05-06 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On May 6, 2014 12:12 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 May 2014 23:08, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 5 May 2014 15:05, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: So ... how is 1.23 and Visual Editor? * Has anyone sat down and written out how to add VE magic to

Re: [Wikitech-l] recent changes stream

2014-05-06 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: I said this once in a gerrit comment and I will say it here as well: most of people have different opinion on what is good for them as RC stream. We should go for anything specific, but rather for a very abstract solution

Re: [Wikitech-l] dnschain

2014-04-30 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Apr 30, 2014 8:21 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: This isn't really relevant to MediaWiki, and the proposal is so ridiculous I can only assume it is some sort of joke project. For others seeing this thread, I found all the good quotes for you: DNSChain stops the NSA .dns

[Wikitech-l] Mailman 3

2014-04-30 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
I just stumbled across http://terriko.dreamwidth.org/151005.html Since I frequently hear that mailman is a spawn of Satan if not Satan Incarnate himself, it might be of interest to take a preliminary look. --Martijn ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] need help for downloadin Urdu data from Wikipedia

2014-04-24 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
? It contains a wealth of different kinds of dumps, and may contain what you are looking for. The dumps available for Urdu are at http://dumps.wikimedia.org/urwiki/20140418/ Hope that helps, --Martijn Hoekstra ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki template page edit by IP?

2014-04-24 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
to template syntax. As long as we're not doing that for logged in users, I frankly can't seen the difference. --Martijn Hoekstra ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] API attribute ID for querying wikipedia pages

2014-04-24 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Daan Kuijsten daankuijs...@gmail.comwrote: On 23-Apr-14 21:29, wikitech-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: Re: API attribute ID for querying wikipedia pages @Matma Rex: This is way to general, I think it would be a lot better when this would be in more

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/04/14 14:12, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: But same as the original font stack, the question remains - for everything but mac, what is this supposed to solve? What is the purpose of even having helvetica and arial

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Gergo Tisza gti...@wikimedia.org wrote: - instead of guessing about user preferences, you could just create a simple survey which shows them the same text with two different

Re: [Wikitech-l] English Wikipedia Homepage Framework

2014-04-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Apr 15, 2014 11:30 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Liangent liang...@gmail.com wrote: zhwiki main page is already div-based :) Not surprising. zhwiki has one of the best-looking Main Pages around. :) It would be great if it were

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-13 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Apr 12, 2014 8:58 AM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/04/14 19:30, Erwin Dokter wrote: First, I like to aplologize to anyone who I may have come over too passionate at some times. Frustration is known to get the better of me, even though I should control that. (I also quit

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-08 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Apr 8, 2014 3:46 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 5:40 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I've read through this thread and I've formulated two questions: * Is there consensus to specify font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-08 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Jared Zimmerman jared.zimmer...@wikimedia.org wrote: I don't really have the energy to keep having this conversation, I appreciate that everyone has taken the time to weigh in on this whatever you opinion is on the matter. From Issara... * Windows users got

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-08 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: So, the font stack changes with regards to the status quo now change nothing for Windows users, changes Helvetica - Helvetica neue

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-08 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Martijn Hoekstra

Re: [Wikitech-l] Encoding (Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net.)

2014-03-25 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mar 25, 2014 7:17 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 25, 2014 3:11 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: Now MobileFrontend is using JSON for languages, I jumped on this to create a script to make language addition easier - basically a command line interface called

Re: [Wikitech-l] Per commit: run all the tests (was Re: Gerrit Commit Wars)

2014-03-12 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: This would be a great place to get to. Even if we did this but every other commit or every 5 commits this would be a step in the right direction! On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:44 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks

Re: [Wikitech-l] Per commit: run all the tests (was Re: Gerrit Commit Wars)

2014-03-11 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mar 10, 2014 4:19 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: quote name=Martijn Hoekstra date=2014-03-10 time=08:51:38 +0100 If the test infrastructure can't handle running every test on every commit (why can't they by the way, and could that be remedied?) Would it be possible

Re: [Wikitech-l] useskin=minerva

2014-03-11 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: You can now apply the mobile skin to the desktop site [1]. Wa?! To cut a long story short, to help MobileFrontend and VisualEditor integrate nicely with one another, we needed the mobile skin to be registered as a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mar 9, 2014 4:15 AM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: Wikimedia uses deployment branches. Just because someone +2/merges into master doesn't

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-07 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mar 7, 2014 2:12 AM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 03/06/2014 12:21 PM, Quim Gil wrote: On 03/05/2014 02:00 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: What do people think of the following stack: Arimo, Liberation Sans, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; it would be useful to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Usability testing

2014-03-07 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mar 7, 2014 12:48 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts? To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org (Veering off topic: So

Re: [Wikitech-l] Faidon Liambotis promoted to Principal Operations Engineer

2014-02-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Awesome! Congratulations! On Feb 10, 2014 2:48 PM, Mark Bergsma m...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm pleased to announce that Faidon Liambotis has been promoted to Principal Operations Engineer. From the very first week he was hired, Faidon has expressed great interest in understanding and improving

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

2014-02-05 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Feb 5, 2014 8:21 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Steven Walling wrote: I fully agree, and this is why the RFC is very clear that the *only immediate change proposed* is an increase in required minimum length from one character to six. It does not suggest that we require more

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

2014-02-04 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014, at 0:02, rupert THURNER wrote: for the password policy: display a strength indicator is great. anything more? i would say just leave it to the user. rupert. THANK YOU. My thoughts exactly. :-)

Re: [Wikitech-l] ARM servers

2014-01-13 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jan 14, 2014 2:47 AM, Eugene Zelenko eugene.zele...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I think will be good idea to try to get access to real hardware. For example, Boston (http://www.boston.co.uk) produces Calxeda-based servers and well as HP has experimental Calxeda and X-Gene based cartridges for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Jake requests enabling access and edit access to Wikipedia via TOR

2013-12-31 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Does Jake have any mechanism in mind to prevent abuse? Is there any possible mechanism available to prevent abuse? On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com wrote: Shouldn't the discussion *not*

Re: [Wikitech-l] Announcement: Kunal Mehta joins Wikimedia as Features Contractor

2013-12-13 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Dec 13, 2013 2:09 AM, Terry Chay tc...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello everyone, It’s with great pleasure that I’m announcing that Kunal Mehta[1] has joined the Wikimedia Foundation as contractor in Features Engineering. Before joining us (and currently), Kunal is a student in college,

Re: [Wikitech-l] FWD: [Bug 58236] New: No longer allow gadgets to be turned on by default for all users on Wikimedia sites

2013-12-12 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Reading this thread and thinking about the proposed changes, im getting stuck, and there may be some inconsistencies. The problems identified seem to be 1. Core development is made much harder because of an abundance in local differences in wikis caused by local js and css. 2. Local wikis

Re: [Wikitech-l] Draft for Bugzilla etiquette guidelines

2013-12-09 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Dec 9, 2013 6:13 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote: Heya everybody, based on a discussion on the teampractices@ mailing list ([1],[2]) I have published an initial draft for potential Bugzilla etiquette guidelines. It tries to explain workflows and helpful behavior in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Module storage is coming

2013-11-04 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Nov 4, 2013 2:28 AM, Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote: The roll-out of 1.23wmf2 to your favorite Wikimedia wiki will inaugurate the era of ResourceLoader module storage -- an era which will be marked by terrifying and hilarious new bugs, intermittent client-side failures, and generally

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC: Refactoring the Title object

2013-10-30 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Oct 30, 2013 3:11 PM, Daniel Kinzler dan...@brightbyte.de wrote: Am 10.10.2013 18:40, schrieb Rob Lanphier: Hi folks, I think Daniel buried the lede here (see his mail below), so I'm mailing this out with a subject line that will hopefully provoke more discussion. :-) Thanks for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-27 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:39:46 +0200, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to enable them in reverse-mode so that all edits are flagged as good, but editors can flag them as bad? If not, I can't see

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikitech-l Digest, Vol 122, Issue 65

2013-09-26 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
I made the mistake of looking at it, and now can no longer provide a clean room implementation. If it is just the one jQuery commit, reverting it should probably suffice. On Sep 26, 2013 5:22 PM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: IANAL, but you might want to take a look at how the vlc people

Re: [Wikitech-l] Product Team Announcements: Oliver, Dan, and Nick

2013-09-24 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Indeed, congratulations all, I think this will work out very well. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: My subscription to this list last night was most fortuitous. Hi everyone! Happy to be here, and looking forward to working with you all. Dan On 24

Re: [Wikitech-l] Persian Wikipedia stance on SSL

2013-09-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Sep 10, 2013 6:38 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, 2013-09-10 at 18:04 +0200, Petr Bena wrote: I absolutely endorse this request. Forcing SSL was one of silliest things that could happen. Most of wikimedia developers and technicians are working with most modern

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki's Login Security

2013-08-23 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Aug 23, 2013 7:46 PM, Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, With all the talk about turning on $wgSecureLogin for WMF sites, there has been a lot of misconceptions about how the option works, and difference of opinions about how they should work in the future. I started:

Re: [Wikitech-l] You know, we really should shift to Windows

2013-08-21 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com http://www.rightscale.com/blog/cloud-cost-analysis/cloud-cost-analysis-how-much-could-wikipedia-save-cloud How many machines do we have right now?

Re: [Wikitech-l] The Damned Commons Image Deletion Cycle

2013-08-05 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Aug 5, 2013 9:54 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 August 2013 08:43, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Suggestion 3: Restore the file on en.wiki if it gets deleted on Commons... No coding needed

Re: [Wikitech-l] The Damned Commons Image Deletion Cycle

2013-08-05 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Aug 5, 2013 9:58 AM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:54 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 August 2013 08:43, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Wikitech-l] The Damned Commons Image Deletion Cycle

2013-08-05 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Aug 5, 2013 10:01 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 5, 2013 9:58 AM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:54 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 August 2013 08:43, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [Wikitech-l] The Damned Commons Image Deletion Cycle

2013-08-05 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
wrong with the image (which there is). Sure, it doesn't look pretty, but you can't have your cake and eat it too. Unless we would want to fork development and presentation on our projects, but that's a whole different discussion. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks

Re: [Wikitech-l] The Damned Commons Image Deletion Cycle

2013-08-05 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 5, 2013 10:10 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Not delink it when its in use on other projects will leave a lot of broken links on projects. I can't believe that would be something what we want? Why

Re: [Wikitech-l] On your python vs php talk

2013-07-28 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
and how about that emacs eh, it got nothing on vim! On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Svip svi...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 July 2013 18:43, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: And as I already stated once, I didn't start this discussion to start a war (not that I wouldn't like it) I just

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-25 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jul 25, 2013 6:18 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Terry Chay tc...@wikimedia.org wrote: Whoa. Them's fighting words! :-D Yeah I'm sorry if that came off as aggressive, but this entire conversation has had the air of the VE team has decided

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-25 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jul 25, 2013 8:02 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still wondering, when the call was made to disable this option, was it expected this would cause massive resistance? If not, what

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-25 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jul 25, 2013 8:09 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: That's a de facto decision isn't it? Somebody figured flipping that switch without discussing it with the wikis first was a good idea

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-25 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.orgwrote: I have avoided getting involved so I could stay focused on fixing bugs and making improvements to VisualEditor. This thread has served it's purpose; to surface various arguments about whether the preference to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Recursive merging enabled for Gerrit repositories

2013-05-24 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
awesome! On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We've enabled JGit's recursive merger for all repositories using content merge strategies (basically any not using fast forwarding, which is most). The intention is to lower the number of trivial conflicts

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pushing Technical changes to Wikimedia projects

2013-04-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Apr 15, 2013 5:06 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: One problem is that the necessity to link to a working test environment does not allow to develop ideas with the community before they are implemented. Nobody is asking of you to have a testable with every idea you

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pushing Technical changes to Wikimedia projects

2013-04-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Brad Jorsch bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, all discussion is welcome, with or without proto, but don't expect final community buy in before we have been able

Re: [Wikitech-l] OPW intern looking for feedback!

2013-03-26 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mar 27, 2013 1:31 AM, Teresa Cho tcho...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, My name is Teresa (or terrrydactyl if you've seen me on IRC) and I've been interning at Wikimedia for the last few months through the Outreach Program for Women[1]. My project, Git2Pages[2], is an extension to pull

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed new WMF browser support framework for MediaWiki

2012-11-26 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Nov 26, 2012 9:17 PM, Luke Welling lwelling lwell...@wikimedia.org@lwell...@wikimedia.org wikimedia.org lwell...@wikimedia.org wrote: Something that seems to be being partially considered in these models is browser shares that are growing or shrinking. For instance it would make more sense

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed new WMF browser support framework for MediaWiki

2012-11-20 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Nov 21, 2012 7:13 AM, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:19 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: All, *TL;DR: We're proposing a more formal, but more limited, statement of browser 'support' for the cluster; thoughts appreciated.* In

Re: [Wikitech-l] About RESOLVED LATER

2012-11-13 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Nov 13, 2012 1:05 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 14:25 -0800, Quim Gil wrote: What about removing the LATER resolution from our Bugzilla? Picking this up again. Reading the postings again I mostly see support for dropping RESOLVED LATER. Daniel

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hub link to the footer of Wikimedia wikis

2012-09-18 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Why shouldn't end users know? Some end users are able to use an API. I prefer to not take the pedantic 'dont break your pretty little head on our API' route On Sep 18, 2012 8:15 AM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: On 18.09.2012, 5:04 MZMcBride wrote: Hi. There's a fairly

Re: [Wikitech-l] Initial stab at responsive images for high-density displays

2012-09-18 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Sending more data to primarily empower mobile devices sounds rather counter-intuitive On Sep 18, 2012 7:06 PM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org wrote: In VisualEditor we ended up putting all CSS rules that include

Re: [Wikitech-l] Initial stab at responsive images for high-density displays

2012-09-18 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
all sections anyway) On Sep 18, 2012 7:17 PM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: Sending more data to primarily empower mobile devices sounds rather counter-intuitive Amount of data, and *when

[Wikitech-l] Design comments

2012-08-14 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
I found this not at all bad looking. whatever your take, it's always nice to have an outside view: http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

2012-07-27 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Maybe present three or four different capcha's with different scripts, requiring only one to be filled out? On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.ju...@gmail.com wrote: I think that making Russian, Korean and Arabian captcha is really bad idea. English keyboad layout is installed

Re: [Wikitech-l] jQuery 2.0 dropping IE 6,7,8 support

2012-07-02 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Derk-Jan Hartman d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com wrote: http://blog.jquery.com/2012/06/28/jquery-core-version-1-9-and-beyond/ jQuery 1.8 should arrive within a month. Here is our thinking about the next two versions of jQuery to follow it, and when they’ll arrive:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inline styles trouble on the mobile site

2012-06-28 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Tei oscar.vi...@gmail.com wrote: You can always have a line on the bottom of a mobile page, with  Do the page render correctly?. And somehow use it to flag pages that render incorrectly.  Wooot, perhaps this flagging may even save the user agent of the visitor

Re: [Wikitech-l] Sorry if incovienent : SVG-to-png rendering on Wikimedia

2012-06-26 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Guys, please don't forget to CC him in your messages, I don't think he subscribes to the mailinglist. It would be a bit of a waste if you write your arguments not to be heard for the person intended. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Merlijn van Deen valhall...@arctus.nl wrote: On 26 June 2012

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension Skeleton Program

2012-06-25 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
If I were to use this, I would prefer a stand-alone thing, which would make it just a little easier, but I would love either On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: This also sounds a lot like what Mozilla has done:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension Skeleton Program

2012-06-25 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: Would be absolutely fabulous! How about creating a README skeleton as well, that could also be cut and paste into the extensions page in the MediaWiki extension matrix? That's actually a really good idea.  

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension Skeleton Program

2012-06-25 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: Hey, PHP can run scripts. Just saying. Please do share the github once you have something up, even if its bare-bones. Good plan.  I always completely forget about that.  In that case, expect them at somewhat

Re: [Wikitech-l] EtherEditor extension testing

2012-06-20 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Great, we've been needing something like this! Do you have a ballpark figure when you expect the data loss issues to be under control, and maybe have something for beta testing? Op 20 jun. 2012 02:33 schreef Mark Holmquist marktrac...@riseup.net het volgende: Hello, wikitech-l! I'm pleased to

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki tarballs and the WMF

2012-06-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
The debian import freeze for ubuntu 12.10 is at july 5th[0]. They import testing and/or unstable, and they both have 1.15. The MediaWiki 1.19 package is in experimental currently[1], but I don't really know why. Maybe ask the maintainer to push the 1.19 package to testing? [0]

Re: [Wikitech-l] The bugtracker problem, again

2012-05-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: TL;DR: Reduce number of fields in our BugZilla. Simplify access to search filters. [snip] I'm convinced all other fields can be done without and

Re: [Wikitech-l] The bugtracker problem, again

2012-05-14 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Thats actually quite an interesting thought, and it could well be true, even if it is the opposite of the Wiki philosophy. On the other hand, it might also be true that non-developers do find bugs, but fail to report them exactly because of the BZ user experience. It's quite important that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Policy for one ore more new database tables for extensions

2012-04-17 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Thomas Gries wrote: Hi, for example, the extension AJAXPoll adds and uses two new database tables to a MediaWiki installation. This specific extension could be rewritten to use only one new

Re: [Wikitech-l] Unified login vs. unified settings

2012-04-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen palnat...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I would love to be able to manage my settings in one place - skins, language, gender etc. - rather than having to guess which option is which in a foreign language where I may even have chosen Cologne Blue

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lua: return versus print

2012-04-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Marcin Cieslak sa...@saper.info wrote: Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org wrote: +1 to all the points for using return values. Zope has a nice solution here:   print Asdsds prints actually to the internal magic variable printed which has to be returned

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lua: return versus print

2012-04-13 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
+1 for only supporting return values. The case where one needs thousands of string concats is pretty rare and can be worked around, and seems like the only reasonable argument in favour of using print. One exit point per function is much easier to read than juggling possible scattered print

Re: [Wikitech-l] Automatic Taxobox

2012-04-02 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Hey Ashwin, Where are you getting the data for the taxobox? Does it need human supervision? If not, depending on how heavy this is, this could be a very cool Lua Template, where it can be used to generate it dynamically. On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Ashwin Ravichandran ashwin...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikitech-l] Automatic Taxobox

2012-04-02 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
, Ashwin On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.comwrote: Hey Ashwin, Where are you getting the data for the taxobox? Does it need human supervision? If not, depending on how heavy this is, this could be a very cool Lua Template, where it can be used

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