Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

Hi, On 01/26/2017 08:03 AM, Quim Gil wrote: > For the record: Yuri got his permissions restored 52 minutes after the task > was filed, without much discussion. The task is Resolved since then. Can we > resolve this thread with this title as well, please? Yes, thanks. I respectfully ask people

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

Update: I demanded an explanation for Yurik's removal, nobody would give a good one, I revoked ops' administrative rights, and now I've been removed as a gerrit administrator with ops re-added. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Alex Monk wrote: > On 25 January 2017 at 19:48, Kevin Smith wrote: > > > I support restoring the rights in this case, but I'm not sure it should > be > > automatic in all cases. If having +2 rights is relatively harmless

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

On 26 January 2017 at 16:03, Quim Gil wrote: > Can we > resolve this thread with this title as well, please? > We could rename the thread. On 26 January 2017 at 16:03, Quim Gil wrote: > The cause for the removal was simple: standard procedure for

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:44 AM, Legoktm wrote: > Hi, > > After speaking with Yurik, I've filed > on his behalf to restore his > membership in the mediawiki and maps-dev groups. > > I would appreciate guidance in whether

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

Why did they got removed? > On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:44 PM, Legoktm wrote: > > Hi, > > After speaking with Yurik, I've filed > on his behalf to restore his > membership in the mediawiki and maps-dev groups. > > I would

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

Antoine Musso wrote: >The staff period can have changed the state of mind of the person, even >had it been a volunteer before employment. If leaving in bad terms with >an eventual envy of retaliation against the project, then code get >screwed. > >A very basic exit interview would clarify the

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

On 25/01/17 22:03, Alex Monk wrote: We are talking about exactly the same situation: Someone was a productive volunteer, then staff, then no longer staff. 99+% of the time, they should retain their rights, or get them back shortly after leaving. But there may be cases where someone would be

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

Stas Malyshev wrote: >>that step entirely seems risky to me. Unless, as I said, having +2 really >>isn't a big deal. > >+2 isn't super-big deal since all changes are public and you're not >supposed to self-+2 in any case, and anything doable by patch can also >be undone by patch. As I understand

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

Yes, they're announced on wikitech-l: https://lists.gt.net/wiki/wikitech/335950 If you go back through one of the pages linked in that email to the date it was sent, you find the relevant vote too: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Gerrit/Project_ownership=648776#Yurik_for_Core_.2B2 Even

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Brian Wolff wrote: > There's not exactly a whole lot of precedent here. Presumably, bblack did > it as part of an off boarding procedure. Eventhough I disagree with this > action, I dont think its an unreasonable action, especially given the

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

On 25 January 2017 at 21:24, Brian Wolff wrote: > > Presumably, bblack did > it as part of an off boarding procedure. Eventhough I disagree with this > action, I dont think its an unreasonable action, especially given the lack > of precedent. I dont see any need for him to come

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

On Wednesday, January 25, 2017, Alex Monk wrote: > > > You don't appear to be a developer. Even if you were, Brian said 'similar > situation' - i.e., where someone had been granted rights before becoming > WMF staff. > > The audit log shows that Brandon Black removed Yurik's

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

Hi! >>> that step entirely seems risky to me. Unless, as I said, having +2 really >>> isn't a big deal. +2 isn't super-big deal since all changes are public and you're not supposed to self-+2 in any case, and anything doable by patch can also be undone by patch. As I understand it, it's more

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think If someone has +2 rights before joining WMF, leaving WMF is not a reason to remove rights at all. If there was a case someone abuse their power and gets fired because of that. "The abuse" should be the reason to lose the right not "leaving WMF"/"being

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

How is that different from becoming disgruntled while still working at WMF? Or becoming disgruntled without ever joining? Or stolen credentials? On Wed, Jan 25, 2017, 16:01 Kevin Smith wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Alex Monk wrote: > You

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

To be clear, i think some common sense should apply - e.g. If someone was fired for trying to put a backdoor in MW they shouldnt automatically get their rights back. But generally speaking if they were trusted before WMF, I trust they have the maturity after WMF to use their rights appropriately

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

On 25 January 2017 at 21:00, Kevin Smith wrote: > We are talking about exactly the same situation: Someone was a productive > volunteer, then staff, then no longer staff. 99+% of the time, they should > retain their rights, or get them back shortly after leaving. But there

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Alex Monk wrote: > You don't appear to be a developer. Even if you were, Brian said 'similar > situation' - i.e., where someone had been granted rights before becoming > WMF staff. > ​I am a developer, but not a wikimedia developer (yet?).

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

On 25 January 2017 at 19:48, Kevin Smith wrote: > I support restoring the rights in this case, but I'm not sure it should be > automatic in all cases. If having +2 rights is relatively harmless and > reversible, then an automatic (but announced) restoration of the rights >

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: > I support restoring the rights in this case, but I'm not sure it should be > automatic in all cases. If having +2 rights is relatively harmless and > reversible, then an automatic (but announced) restoration of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

I support restoring the rights in this case, but I'm not sure it should be automatic in all cases. If having +2 rights is relatively harmless and reversible, then an automatic (but announced) restoration of the rights should be fine. The issue is that someone who leaves the foundation could do so

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

On 01/25/2017 10:04 AM, Brian Wolff wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2017, Legoktm wrote: Hi, After speaking with Yurik, I've filed on his behalf to restore his membership in the mediawiki and maps-dev groups. I would

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

On Tuesday, January 24, 2017, Legoktm wrote: > Hi, > > After speaking with Yurik, I've filed > on his behalf to restore his > membership in the mediawiki and maps-dev groups. > > I would appreciate guidance in whether these

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

If he had them before, he should retain them. I've granted both. -Chad On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 7:45 PM Legoktm wrote: > Hi, > > After speaking with Yurik, I've filed > on his behalf to restore his > membership in the

Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

Thanks Legoktm! For the reference, I was granted these rights as a volunteer, before joining WMF: https://lists.gt.net/wiki/wikitech/335950 On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Legoktm wrote: > Hi, > > After speaking with Yurik, I've filed >

[Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

Hi, After speaking with Yurik, I've filed on his behalf to restore his membership in the mediawiki and maps-dev groups. I would appreciate guidance in whether these rights can be summarily granted since he used to have them, or if it needs to go