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Apparently there is a meeting scheduled today, April 25, at the FCC over
how the 700 MHz band is going to be split up for auction. It amazes me
how we can be kept in the dark about these meetings. If anyone can tell
me how to get included on announcements of such meetings I need to know
about
VERY bad. I believe this is the reason that the big boys aren't
doing 5 gig / 2 gig, etc unlicensed today in addition to all their other
crap.
Let all those pesky wisps get the customers educated, we'll take 'em
all with 700 mhz indoor installs.
grrr. I wish I were close enough to
FCC Digest comes out daily with about 30 to 50 items. Sign up at fcc.gov
This announcement today about the first of 2 auctions for 700 MHz is
going to describe how the auction will go.
Will it be large geographic chunks or smaller broadcast areas.
Starts at 10:30.
John Scrivner wrote:
The meeting notice popped up last week.
I didn't know about the 700 MHz until this morning.
The 700 MHz has been on comments since 2003.
Regards,
Peter
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Peter - I don't guess that is going to be streamed eh?
Mac Dearman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open Meeting on 700 MHz
FCC Digest comes
Plus dealing with less than 10 who will fill out forms and abide by the
rules without a fuss.
The FCC has the CEO's of the cellco's on speed-dial.
from Alex @ ISP-Planet:
http://www.isp-planet.com/politics/2003/uncertainty_p2.html
Here's a quote from a Powell speech:
(competition is bad
Travis Johnson wrote:
John,
This is just my opinion, but I seriously doubt the FCC is just going
to give away 700MHz licenses, even on a per base station basis.
I never said they should give it to us. I said they should have base
station sized auctions. They can include an opening bid
Billions*
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From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open Meeting on 700 MHz
John,
I could see $5k per license (depending on the terms of the license) to be a
good deal for WISPs. The amount of frequency we get, power levels, etc. all
play in to the cost effectiveness of the license.
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The other issue is equipment... you are willing to spend $20k RIGHT NOW
for the license, but it would be at least a year before any equipment
was available, and then it would be $500 per CPE and $10k per base station.
A lot of the WISPs on this list spend an hour building a CPE to save $5.
Maybe they haven't used it because there isn't any good, affordable
equipment right now?
Travis
Microserv
Mac Dearman wrote:
Travis,
IMHO the FCC is supposed to serve the people. I understand that spectrum
is a huge money maker, but if just one of the FCC chair people lived in my
rural
John, there is a daily release from the FCC that covers these things.
It's long and 99.9% of it doesn't apply to us. I rarely take the time to
scan it these days. I'll try to remember to post a signup link next time
one comes in.
Marlon
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All,
I just received this document and thought it might be of some interest
to the list.
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Am I reading this correctly Does this mean that if a mfg of a mini pci
radio gets it certified with different antenna, that it then can be put into
ANY base unit and be certified?
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what we have been asking for?
Tim
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Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe
**FYI - A reminder to people out there interested in starting a
noncommercial
radio station (for whatever reason), applications must be recieved between
Oct 12 and Oct 19, 2007, and the application itself costs nothing...
I have kicked
Mike,
Where did you get that idea?
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
Mike Hammett wrote:
I thought that was put in to effect a year or two ago.
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- Original Message - From: Tim Kerns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General
I read that just about all the way through. It appears we can now certify a
mini-pci radio with some specific gain antennas, and use it in any control
board. There seems to be some requirement that we demonstrate the software
can't or doesn't cause the module to operate outside of certified
Mac, I was on the original board of our two NPR stations, one classical
music 24 hours a day and the other NPR 24 hours a day. They were on
adjacent FM frequencies.
A non-commercial, low power church station (from somewhere in Kansas as I
recall) got a frequency just between the two. It's
It had been discussed on the Part 15 lists for that time and I remember
reading an FCC publication about it a while ago.
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From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
John,
Regarding your comment:
Enabling thousands of new bustling and growing
entrepreneurs to build local wireless communication broadband companies
is the smartest thing they could do which is why they will not do it.
Yes, creating and supporting new entrepreneurs is what government
Correct.
You can say something like this show is sponsored by Joe's Car Lot.
And that is about it.
Mac Dearman wrote:
-Original Message-
Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe
**FYI - A reminder to people out there interested in starting a
noncommercial
radio station (for whatever reason),
Federal Communications Commission’s Public Safety and
Homeland Security Bureau (PSHSB) today announced that it will host a
Summit on Spectrum
Policy and Management: Building Interoperable Public Safety
Communications on Friday,
June 1, 2007, 9:00 a.m. – 4:00 p.m., in the Commission Meeting Room
rant
The best part of these live meetings is to see nothing happening because
they are still in back arguing about a compromise. It is 2 hours
after the delayed scheduled start of the 9:30 meeting. Many items have
been deleted from the agenda thus far, but not the 700 auction.
What makes
Mike,
Any chance you could provide a link to the document you are talking about?
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
Mike Hammett wrote:
It had been discussed on the Part 15 lists for that time and I
remember reading an FCC publication about it a while ago.
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Mike Hammett
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Nope. Not what it says. It's very specific about the antenna AND cabling
used.
What it means is that if you build a laptop (or some such device) and wish
to slap in an atheros vs. prism rf section you can do that without having to
recertify the whole shebang.
They SPECIFICALLY excluded
It's ALWAYS been this way. Back in the 50's when you were taught ideals, rest
assured it was the same way (but as a child you weren't aware). Remember that
telecommunications had little need for radio back then other than as microwave
backhaul ... which never cut a large geographic area due
Marlon,
I think I know where the confusion comes in but I will need to do some
more reading before I will comment on whether you are correct or not.
You may be correct in your assumption but there might be some confusion
about what this recent document actually refers to. Stay tuned...;-)
- Original Message -
From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open Meeting on 700 MHz
John,
Regarding your comment:
Enabling thousands of new bustling and growing
entrepreneurs to
Probably not. :-p Not that I don't want to, but my searching abilities
aren't so good.
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Mike Hammett
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From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday,
Jack,
Campaign Contribution regulation is only one part of the solution to the
problem. There are many ways to buy votes after the election is over and
the politicians are in office. Regulating campaign contributions would just
put more corporate money into the pot to fund trips, pet projects,
- Original Message -
From: Rich Comroe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open Meeting on 700 MHz
Before I start sounding like Mark, I need to state that I believe
government plays an important
- Original Message -
From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Open Meeting on 700 MHz
Jack,
I do however agree that our elected officials do not control the country
anymore. The
Rich,
You make a good point. As a child, it was easy for me to understand the
ideals that I was taught but it was harder for me to see and to
understand what was really going on behind the scenes - behind the
political curtain so to speak.
Now, as an adult, it's become painfully obvious to
I've found your posts articulate, intelligent, and often very insightful. I
agree with many of things you write. But I can't help but disagree with
literally everything you've said here in this post. I'd spent nearly a
decade representing a large corporation in public coordination functions
A very good respectable attitude. I agree with you whole heartedly that
FCC (and justice dept policy) has badly damaged our own wireless and wired
telecommunications industries in this country (which for so long led the
entire planet). That doesn't make them evil ... it just means they've
Tim,
I read the 2nd Report and Order and I don't see where it is saying that
a certified mini PCI radio can be put into any base unit.
I think what the FCC is doing is:
1. Providing eight criteria that clarify the definition of what a legal
modular assembly is.
2. Allowing some
-Original Message-
From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 4/25/07 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open Meeting on 700 MHz
Rich,
You make a good point. As a child, it was easy for me to understand the
ideals that I was taught but it was harder
- Original Message -
From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s
Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval
Tim,
I read the 2nd
I haven't read it really well and I have not yet looked up the
referenced sections of Part 15, but I read the part that is not about
split modular to be the part the refers to a PC. And I read it that
if the PC is certified to have radio cards AND the radio card is
certified with an antenna,
I find reading all these notices very difficult... I think they hire writers
just to confuse us
Ok, here is my thoughts..
Manufacture A designs and builds a radio card (minipci), and develops the
firmware to operate it.They then get FCC certification for this radio,
firmware, and
Mark,
Please see my responses to your points inline.
T h a n k s (you see, I individually added the Thanks; it is not
automatically inserted into each of my emails :))
jack
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
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From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Peter, I've noticed that both NPR and PBS have pushed the limits
substantially on what is said during a donation acknowledgement. On NPR,
the announcer doing the current pieces tends to flow into the
acknowledgement but it has more and more incorporated promotional content
clearly authored by the
Scott,
I believe that your comments are substantially correct.
The main problem that I see with building our own equipment is that very
few (if any) manufacturers of modular wireless cards have certified them
with a range of usable external WISP-grade antennas. I don't think this
2nd Report
Now exactly why some people have to say I'm promoting anarchy, or that I'm
against all government, or calling government universally evil, I dunno.
Maybe you could explain it to me.
Here's where I get the impression, from things you've written such as these
few excerpts below.
Government
And look as I might, I have trouble find what antennae the card vendor
is certified with.
From other discussions, I would ask a couple of additional questions.
If we assume we can find a mPCI card that has WISP usable antennae in
its certification then:
1) Couldn't someone just get an RBxxx
Ok,
I can see several things in this ruling. It's of course referring to
consumer installed PCI/USB/miniPCI(we sell retail boxed laptop wireless
cards for consumer install). Well, these cards are certified SEPARATE from
the computer itself, so Netgear, Dlink, Linksys can have a wide range of
The software can allow non FCC modes as long as there is an option to
select FCC modes and not exceed either the power or frequency spectrum
limits while properly selected.
It would be a mistake to require the OS code to limit for FCC and US
operation. The code can be changed and any number of
Scott,
In order for the system to be certified it must include the modular
transmitter and the antenna. If you did not include these parts what
would you be certifying exactly?
As quoted from said document;
The modular transmitter must comply with the antenna requirements of
Section 15.203
I'm curious how a Linux with madwifi is binary certified yet MT or
StarOS are not? They all use Linux and have drivers traceable to
Atheros, just as the madwifi group code is.
Lonnie
On 4/25/07, Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok,
I can see several things in this ruling. It's of
I guess you have to define what unique means. You can buy U.FL or
RP-SMA connectors from just as many outlets as you can a N connector,
maybe even more, since N connectors are more Industrial and the U.FL
and RP-SMA have become consumer items.
Lonnie
On 4/25/07, Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL
I am looking some a software package that does network monitoring and
graphing. I have used MRTG for graphing before. I have looked at
WhatsUp, JFFNMS and Niagos before. I want to be able to graph traffic on
network ports of my routers (Cisco and Mikrotik) and wireless equipment. I
also
THAT's the one I've been waiting for.
This pretty much rules out any intent what so ever that WE can use this to
mix and match transmitters.
Marlon
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WhatsUp and JFFNMS both.
What'sUp is very quick to notify via SMS (I get the messages within 10
seconds of a host being down). JFF for keeping historical data, etc.
Travis
Microserv
Jory Privett wrote:
I am looking some a software package that does network monitoring and
graphing. I have
Why were you waiting for that one? It sounds like you do NOT want to
mix and match to suit the job.
You can mix and match, you just have to make sure that the
transmitters you mix are certified with the antennas you use.
Certified is certified. It does not matter that you have other types
in
Tim Kerns wrote:
I find reading all these notices very difficult... I think they hire
writers just to confuse us
I thought it was lawyers...
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Right, for the transmitter. That is the mPCI card that goes in the
laptop. I am talking about the laptop itself. Laptop = SBC = WRAP = RB
= ???
Dawn DiPietro wrote:
Scott,
In order for the system to be certified it must include the modular
transmitter and the antenna. If you did not
It just seems that if the information is important, the FCC should be
willing to put their money where their mouth is.
I don't know who would actually put up the money.
John
Peter R. wrote:
I think many (half?) don't even know that they have to file.
Many don't understand CALEA or know that
I've been using zabbix effectively for those purposes.
Does a good job, has nice template control, soon is supposed to support
auto discovery.
Steve
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Jory Privett wrote:
I am looking some a software package that does network monitoring and
graphing. I have used MRTG for graphing before. I
I use nagios and cacti for notification and graphing respectively. Both
were simple to set up on a debian box via apt-get.
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
Jory Privett wrote:
I am looking some a software package that does network monitoring and
graphing. I have used MRTG for graphing
Another two cents that may or may not be worth ANYTHING at all.
RANT
I have sat back and observed for some time now (with much disdain) as
the 'herd' runs as fast as we can toward the cliff.
I am still waiting to see if the herd (WE) turn out to be lemmings or
not, but the cliff is
Laptop=Legal FCC Certified Computing Device
SBC=not
WRAP=not
RB=not
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of
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From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s
Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval
Yes, we still need
But Jack, they don't have to. Anyone can.
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From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s
Rules for unlicensed devices
- Original Message -
From: Rich Comroe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open Meeting on 700 MHz
Now exactly why some people have to say I'm promoting anarchy, or that
I'm
against all government,
Nagios for notifications and cacti for graphing.
I am also looking at a pretty nice oss project called zenoss. It has
auto discovery, graphing and notifications. It also does some asset
tracking and other features. I have not spent alot of time with it yet,
but I did run the auto discovery and
We use nagios for alerting and caci for graphing and trending. Let me
know if you need help with setup or integration.
Mark
Jory Privett wrote:
I am looking some a software package that does network monitoring and
graphing. I have used MRTG for graphing before. I have looked at
Ralph, you hit the mark.
The sbc guys need to get their stuff tested and certified.
End of story. If some can't do it and others do, they will soon be
without sales. That ought to drive them to conform.
I can see the domino effect starting.
ADI has done a very good thing for us. The pressure
What are you using with your netflow data? I've been using nfcapd to
store the streams to files and then parsing the data with nfdump and
custom scripts.
I would like to some other admin's netflow usage. Right now I use it to
track bandwidth usage per IP so I can see who is responsible for
- Original Message -
From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s
Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval
Mark,
I agree with
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