Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Sam Tetherow
Could you imagine tech support on 4.1 million self installed CPEs? If every customer called once per year that would only be 11232 calls per day ;) Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, I remember the dark fiber... and so, the question remains, how much fiber did

[WISPA] Cold Galvanzing

2007-07-23 Thread Scott Reed
I need touch up a tower I have. I would like to cold galvanize it, but all I can find it spray cans of Zinc. Where do you folks get gallons of Zinc Cold Galvanize that can be brushed on? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration

Re: [WISPA] Cold Galvanzing

2007-07-23 Thread JohnnyO
Scott - if the tower you are wanting to touch up has rust on it... the cold galvanizing won't do you any good what so ever. You need to take it down to bare metal before applying any type of coating. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Cold Galvanzing

2007-07-23 Thread Scott Reed
Yep, it will be bare metal. So, do you have a supplier of gallons of zinc? JohnnyO wrote: Scott - if the tower you are wanting to touch up has rust on it... the cold galvanizing won't do you any good what so ever. You need to take it down to bare metal before applying any type of coating.

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves
4.1 million users, say 1/4 were paying 19.99. Thats 20.4 million. Assume each call takes 20 min to handle. I person can take 24 20 min calls in 8 hours, assuming no breaks. That would need 468 call support personnel. Someone correct me, but did not AOL release numbers that they had like 7 million

Re: [WISPA] Cold Galvanzing

2007-07-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves
http://www.clearcoproducts.com/cold_galvanize_primers.html 5 gallon buckets. On 7/23/07, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need touch up a tower I have. I would like to cold galvanize it, but all I can find it spray cans of Zinc. Where do you folks get gallons of Zinc Cold Galvanize that

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Mike Hammett
Why? Because that's exactly what that document says. Google said they'll bid at least $4.6M if they get their way. They're showing the FCC that they will get money if they go with Google's plan. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Mike Hammett
An idea I just came up with is that perhaps it is part of a big FU to the telecoms. They wanted to be able to charge more to access things that weren't on their buddy list and if you didn't pony up, you got a reduced speed. Google could be doing this to ensure that they have a last mile

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Mike Hammett
There are already companies out there doing self installed CPEs successfully. It would be no different than setting up a TV set for OTA reception. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Mike Hammett
I thought AOL had 30 million+ users. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes

[WISPA] PolyPhaser GigE

2007-07-23 Thread Mike Hammett
I spoke to a gentleman at PolyPhaser. He told me that their Netguard doesn't work with GigE. I'm waiting to hear back from another gentleman at PolyPhaser, but thought I'd check here to see if anyone knew of another company that had a product that competed with the PolyPhaser Netguard, but

Re: [WISPA] MikroTik RB532-A Clock Speed

2007-07-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
My understanding is that the old 532 boards and new high clock speed 532 boards are NOT the same, even though they have the same part number. Upping the clock on the old boards, may not be able to be done reliably. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
I agree Google is not evil. Goodle does however have the marketing, eyeball count, and vision, to drive astronomical huge increases in bandwdith need for users, and sell it for pennies on the dollar of what it should be sold at, to fund the network expansion to support it. WISP technology

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
Although, its smart to ask those questions, and keep a midful eye open for posibilities and threats... Can you compete with FREE service, using 700mhz NLOS technology (meaning self-install, take the modem with you to work type service)? Yes. Becaues the 700Mhz spectrum being auctioned is less

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
Google is becoming the Microsoft of internet space. Yes they are. But not by choice. They are doing it because of fear of net Neutrality not being forced. TimeWarner, Microsoft, EarthLink, Comcast, Verizon, etc, etc, all own their own content and pipe. Google leveraged the capacity of the 7000

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Mike Hammett
It sounds like Google will only bid if they get their way, which is the complete opposite of what the telcos want to do. I don't see them bidding against each other. I agree that 20 MHz doesn't get you much. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I can see getting 3 or 4 AP's on a site if everything is GPS synced with 10mhz channels. I agree this is more a cell phone killer then a wisp killer (read my post a bit back for my view on likely devices). And if it goes Google's way then its just the tip. There is a fair bit of spectrum from 600

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Michael J. Erskine
Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, I remember the dark fiber... and so, the question remains, how much fiber did they buy? They are now bidding on 700mhz spectrum, and could connect everything back to their main datacenters with all the dark fiber they purchased previously. ;) And I never said they

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Michael J. Erskine
Mike Hammett wrote: An idea I just came up with is that perhaps it is part of a big FU to the telecoms. They wanted to be able to charge more to access things that weren't on their buddy list and if you didn't pony up, you got a reduced speed. Google could be doing this to ensure that they

Re: [WISPA] Telecom lawyers ?

2007-07-23 Thread Kristopher Twomey
Thanks guys. I have at least one CLEC client operating in every state (except Alaska, still working on one there). If anybody has any questions about the process or whether it may make sense from a business perspective, please let me know and I'll be happy to tell you what I can. For free, of

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Travis Johnson
I don't fear the ILEC's... they are regulated and can be easily sued. We have sued Qwest twice and won both times... once for slow delivery of new lines and another time for billing errors. Travis Microserv Michael J. Erskine wrote: Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, I remember the dark fiber... and

Re: [WISPA] Community Connect Broadband Grant Program - ApplicationsPeriod Open

2007-07-23 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
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Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Peter R.
Do you guys really think that Google wants to build out a nationwide wireless network? It's CORE business is search. It needs to focus on that. It's other core is advertising. It has DoubleClick now too (probably). You think it can spend not the meoney but the resources and focus on wireless?

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Mike Hammett
No. I think they want to wholesale it to us or the new us. That's part of their published comments. They want to seen it wholesaled to other players. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Michael Erskine
Try filing a suit for taking your customers... :-\ You won't win that one. They have the same sort of pockets you fear in Google, except that they have already proven they will sell you DSL at twice the price they will offer retail... When we started reselling Verizon DSL we paid them

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Travis Johnson
I figured it out a long time ago wireless internet go around the big bad phone company... since 1997. :) Travis Microserv Michael Erskine wrote: Try filing a suit for taking your customers... :-\ You won't win that one. They have the same sort of pockets you fear in Google,

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Michael Erskine
Ten years is a good run, Travis. I wish you would listen to what I post rather than figure out some smart response. You have whined and whined about Google, yet you feel that the ILECs are not a threat. Besides the fact that you won a legal battle or two, you have no reason not to

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Maybe you need to read my posts a little better... I think I have said it twice already, but I will say it again: I am not after Google, nor am I saying they are evil. What I am saying is there is a grand plan already in place with this 700mhz auction they are considering. They have the

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Michael Erskine
Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Maybe you need to read my posts a little better... I think I have said it twice already, but I will say it again: I am not after Google, nor am I saying they are evil. What I am saying is there is a grand plan already in place with this 700mhz auction they are

RE: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-23 Thread Smith, Rick
I can tell you for a fact that Embarq and Verizon have 700 Mhz and FTTP on their radar BIG time. It's that whole battle vs. war thing... They're willing to get their heads handed to them 9 times because that 10th is their nuke... OK I've gotta throw away this devil's advocate hat...