Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I REALLY like Airaya (www.airaya.com). I'm putting in some MT gear lately. It's fast and works well for what we're doing today. But my Airaya gear has worked almost flawlessly for 5 years now. I think I've only done one or two firmware upgrades to them too. I've got 3 links of them out

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Yeah. People all too often forget that eirp is a RECEIVE number not a TRANSMIT number. All it takes is big, big ears and you can hear the other end from a very long ways away. Makes for much less noise in the area too. I hate the trend toward high power radios with low power antennas. You

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread os10rules
Doesn't it stand for effective isotropic radiated power? Isn't your EIRP the same no matter what receive antenna is on the other end? I get your point, to have a sufficiently strong signal at the distant receiver you could lower the transmit power and make up for it with a more effective

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Mike Hammett
Well yes, EIRP is indeed transmit, but it's not the only thing in the system budget. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:29 AM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Scott Carullo
May not be available in your area you would need to verify that -- can not use in FL where we are not sure about your location. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Saturday, October 31,

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Jack Unger
EIRP is a TRANSMIT number. "Equivalent isotropic RADIATED power". This is the radiated power on transmit in dBm leaving the transmit antenna in the favored direction compared to the power that would be radiated if 1 milliwatt (0 dBm) were fed into a theoretical isotropic antenna that had 0 dBi

[WISPA] Intermapper probe for Dragonwave?

2009-11-01 Thread Gino Villarini
Anyone have a Intermapper probe for DW gear? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
EIRP is the TRANSMIT total of BOTH the radio and the antenna gain. So with a 4 watt, 36dB limit at the ap, you can't legally run a 1 watt (30 dB) radio into a 13dB sector. You can only transmit 36-13 or 23 dB (about a quarter watt) with a config like this. And it doesn't take that much power

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread os10rules
Excellent advise. There's a maxim in the amateur radio community (from the ARRL website) At all times, transmitter power must be the minimum necessary to carry out the desired communications, for the same reasons. Greg On Nov 1, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: EIRP is the

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Correction, under the 3 for one rule you can go UP 3 dB in antenna gain for every 1 dB of radio transmit power that you go down, but only for client side or ptp installations. It STARTS at 30 dB radio and 6dB antenna. So if you have a 30dB radio, it's a 6dB antenna. 29dB radio you can use a

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Travis Johnson
The exception to the rule would be Canopy. You can't "muck up the airways" if every single one of your AP's transmits and receives at the same time. So then power does make a difference because you can go through more trees, longer links, etc. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread os10rules
That stops the APs from interfering with each other but there must be some point where when the APs all turn on at once they cause interference for the CPEs if the density between APs is too great. Do you see that in the field? Also, that does nothing for the poor folk who are using the

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Mike Hammett
There's a contradiction in terms if I ever saw one... Canopy can't muck up the airways. Maybe not for itself, but for everything else, yes. Canopy needs high output power because of it's lousy antenna gain, which is what mucks up the airways. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

Re: [WISPA] Intermapper probe for Dragonwave?

2009-11-01 Thread Scott Piehn
If you don't get one already made, I can get you the basics. Just figured out how to make a custom probe for Ubiquiti myself Scott Piehn - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread eje
Which we know is true thanks to the antenna patterns that I picked apart a week or so ago that was so kindly provided by Canopy hang alongs. But any unit with a low gain antenna and high gain radio will do the same but Canopy worse but not for itself as long gps synced. /Eje (BTW Using Canopy

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Gino Villarini
All Canopy products are 200% below eirp limit on 2.4 and 5.8. 30 db EIRP Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
You have to use what you need It's the ones where people have 25 access points in a 20 mile radius, all at 25 watts. Then they ask why it tested so good but doesn't work 1 year (and 200 customers) later. Must be that wireless sucks! lol Yeah, the more I think about some kind of sync

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Mike Hammett
Right. Canopy's sync doesn't help you much when you want 50/50 ratio for business subs and someone else wants 70/30 for residential. Then you have to resort to actual RF engineering. I do know that it still allows for better frequency reuse vs. non synced systems. - Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Travis Johnson
I have over 60 AP's in a 20 mile radius... probably close to 80. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: You have to use what you need It's the ones where people have 25 access points in a 20 mile radius, all at 25 watts. Then they ask why it tested so good but doesn't work 1 year

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Gino Villarini
There are ways make it work, You have to work with the settings Altough canopy appears simple to deploy, it has many options maximize it's performance Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Nov 1, 2009, at 10:15 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Right. Canopy's sync doesn't