Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?

2010-03-29 Thread Josh Luthman
LinkPlanner does this. Then you can copy it to Google Earth. On 3/29/10, Forbes Mercy wrote: > Wouldn't it be cool if when using Google Earth you could draw a straight > line between two points and it would calculate the altitude of each > origin point then mark in red any place where altitude i

Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?

2010-03-29 Thread ccrum
WispMon does this and gives you freznel zone as well ;) Cameron > Wouldn't it be cool if when using Google Earth you could draw a straight > line between two points and it would calculate the altitude of each > origin point then mark in red any place where altitude is higher than > the beginning

Re: [WISPA] Fw: FM choke

2010-03-29 Thread RickG
I use them on Skywalker direct burial ethernet cable. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Can anyone confirm if these size ferrite pieces will work on direct > buriel cat5 cable (like Mohawk or Superior Essex)? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 11

Re: [WISPA] Fw: FM choke

2010-03-29 Thread RickG
A little less $ here: http://www.ambientweather.com/am273105.html -RickG On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >From Mouser > > < > http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Fair-Rite/0431164181/?qs=KmHvPbTOE4SbzMQqE%2fOkzw%3d%3d >> > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 93

Re: [WISPA] Fw: FM choke

2010-03-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Can anyone confirm if these size ferrite pieces will work on direct buriel cat5 cable (like Mohawk or Superior Essex)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that cou

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2010-03-29 Thread RickG
Meanwhile, you can go to China and get ANY software for $5/CD. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:54 PM, John Thomas wrote: > http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1400&tag=nl.e102 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join tod

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Mike Mattox
SSSH, aliens > Signal is great > where we can see it, just needed a good fix for not having to do the 2 man > show all over the county. (With everyone in a pickup truck stopping to > ask > why we're by the road with an antenna) > -

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
I'd argue the largest reason for downtilt is to prevent interference with a far out cell site. Even with 5.8 I've had sectors interfere with other sectors 25 miles away,without downtilt. The problem is that downtilt can also cause more multi-path if shooting into urban concrete instead of rural

Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?

2010-03-29 Thread Forbes Mercy
Wouldn't it be cool if when using Google Earth you could draw a straight line between two points and it would calculate the altitude of each origin point then mark in red any place where altitude is higher than the beginning and end points along the line? For long legs in mixed altitude areas

Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!

2010-03-29 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 03/29/2010 01:13 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > I don't believe that. I've turned people in and the FCC dealt with them. I > know of others that have also had success. > > Perhaps someone went about turning them in the wrong way? > > You do need some good proof. Spec analyzer readings, pics

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Robert West
Yeah, I've been fighting the -6db beam width in trying to figure them out. I actually had the same thought earlier to dump the large sectors and replace with the smaller 120's. I'm easily getting 10+ mile range out of them, they're smaller so I can put them on a single mast and they behave. Mig

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Robert West
Well, I've been setting up a service contract with my friends on planet Wispalon so I need to find the proper tilt angle to beam the signal into space. :) Yeah, I've been mindful to stay off the horizon, seems wasteful in a big way. I'm not a trig scholar so I use basic tilt angle calculators wh

Re: [WISPA] Group Purchase of Motorola 5.7/2.4 and/or 900connectorized

2010-03-29 Thread Chuck Hogg
Being a vendor member, we can accommodate your needs at those quantities as well. 100 pack pricing on the 50/75 is not a problem. Contact myself or DJ at QuickLink Wireless. 800-405-9865. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Origin

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Well, UBNT's degrees are misleading. They are -6 dB beamwidths instead of -3 dB, like most manufacturers use. I believe a UBNT 90 performs similarly to a regular 120, but I can't be certain. The UBNT engineer said he saw minimal need for the high gain sectors and that most people should use t

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Robert West
That would be one heck of a CPE! I'll take it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 4:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle Well yes, a 30 dB

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Robert West
Same type of results here with the smaller sectors but these larger ones just aren't as user friendly. Just gotta get over my learning curve with them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday,

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Robert West
I have one where I'm hitting it at 12 miles with a -77 but the noise floor hovers at around a -87 most of the time. But that's using a 23dbi cpe. Haven't tried the UBNT 27dbi there, may make it all good. Would 90's be a better choice? I have only one AP using the smaller UBNT 90's but haven't

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2010-03-29 Thread Mike Goicoechea
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Re: [WISPA] Group Purchase of Motorola 5.7/2.4 and/or 900 connectorized

2010-03-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Call 3db. They'll give you 100 pack pricing for 50 or 75 and a promise for the future ones. On 3/29/10, Don Renner wrote: > > We are looking to do a Motorola Canopy purchase of 100 pack of 2.4 (could be > combined with 5.7) and 100 pack of 900 connectorized. NetsurfUSA only needs > 50 each, but

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Lawrence E. Bakst
Technically speaking you're wrong. The highest gain area of a sector antenna is the center point between the horizontal and vertical spreads. If you don't downtilt you are sending the strongest part of the signal parallel to the horizon. Why would you ever want to do that? The whole reason you

Re: [WISPA] Group Purchase of Motorola 5.7/2.4 and/or 900 connectorized

2010-03-29 Thread Don Renner
We are looking to do a Motorola Canopy purchase of 100 pack of 2.4 (could be combined with 5.7) and 100 pack of 900 connectorized. NetsurfUSA only needs 50 each, but would go to 75. Would anyone like to go in with our company? Thanks, Don Renner NetsurfUSA, Inc. 8550 Main St. French Lick, IN 47

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Stuart Pierce
Beer made Bud, er Ryan, weiser. -- Original Message -- From: Ryan Spott Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:42:37 -0700 >And don't do what I did for the first AP install I ever did. > >Mount the antenna to face exactly north.. Compass

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Stuart Pierce
True, most won't, unless they really, really want it. I've had one in the shop for the past couple of months and people walk in and ask what it's for. I say it's for a tower location for when the snow leaves us, but how about going on your house somewhere. No one has said that they wouldn't, it

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Ryan Spott
And don't do what I did for the first AP install I ever did. Mount the antenna to face exactly north.. Compass says north is that-a-way.. OK.. then test.. Wait.. how come I have no signal here?!?! Over a beer I complain to my surveyor friend who reminds me about that whole Magnetic vs true Nort

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Well yes, a 30 dB dish would be fine. Most people don't use them as CPE. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Stuart Pierce" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 4:33 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: R

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Stuart Pierce
Signal with what though ? A 30db Rocketdish setup I can get 17 miles out and the link profile has fresnel in the ground. 120* 16dbi sector with Rocket to 30dbi dish Rocket. Course I didn't leave it there, I instead connected to another 5ghz Bullet5 on a 120* Maxrad and fresnel is still in the

Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?

2010-03-29 Thread Jim Patient
Well, it prolly isn't good every place but I just selected 3d buildings on google earth and drug my mouse from the street to top of Met Square in St Louis. It shows the elevation at street level and the top of the building. The difference is the elevation of the building height in this case. J

Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?

2010-03-29 Thread richard sterne
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Mike Hammett
I wouldn't even try to get a signal 15 miles away on a 120. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:29 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!

2010-03-29 Thread Jerry Richardson
A "regular WISP" calling a field office to complain will produce zero response. The only way they will pay any attention is if there is supporting documentation with letters to the offender requesting they correct their network to be in compliance, dates/times, spectum analysis proving over EIR

Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!

2010-03-29 Thread Lakeland
Marlon, You have personal contacts. That's cheating. I have contacts too and could probably get action if I needed it but I am talking the regular Wisp calling the field office. Unless you have an inside number at the field office you usually only get the recorded TV interference message. M

Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?

2010-03-29 Thread Scott Reed
For those that use this data, I believe the radar also reflects off trees, so the data can be skewed by large forested areas showing as somewhat higher elevation than they truly are. Cameron Crum wrote: > Not for free. This info is usually pretty expensive for good high res > data. That being s

Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?

2010-03-29 Thread Cameron Crum
Not for free. This info is usually pretty expensive for good high res data. That being said, one interesting flaw in the SRTM data is that is contains "building canopy" within the data. The radar they used bounced off man made structures and make them appear to be part of the terrain. So, in bi

Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?

2010-03-29 Thread jp
Tax assessing data 45 degree square and a tape measure on flat ground. 45 degree square, laser rangefinder, scientific calculator. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 02:07:36PM -0400, Charles Hooper wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone know a reliable source/method of getting building heights? > Something l

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Robert West
I was compensating for the electrical tilt but just one degree was throwing it way, way off. Trying to get a usable signal 15 miles out, maybe less, and that slightest fraction of a degree would change it considerably. But after reading Tom and Mercy's posts it's all making sense to me...

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
. Technically speaking.. if you are not concerned about dealing with 'near' customers less than 1 or 2 miles... then you can pretty much leave the sectors at '0' tilt.. and you have coverage to the horizon The built-in electrical down-tilt typically throws folks off.. only becom

Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?

2010-03-29 Thread Matt Liotta
Skyscrapers.com is often useful in major cities. -Matt On Mar 29, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Charles Hooper wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone know a reliable source/method of getting building heights? > Something like a topographical map that included buildings would be > excellent, but I haven't been a

[WISPA] Building Heights?

2010-03-29 Thread Charles Hooper
Hello, Does anyone know a reliable source/method of getting building heights? Something like a topographical map that included buildings would be excellent, but I haven't been able to find anything like this. Thanks! Charles

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Robert West
I hear ya. Don't want to have to do that all the time but from what I'm seeing, we just may have to. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Robert West
True. They have a 2 degree down tilt. The adjuster goes to a negative 3 degrees but I've tried it flat, or zero on the adjuster leaving the 2 degree electrical tilt, but I'm not getting any decent signal after about a mile. My calculations say -1 degree, still no good. On one AP we've tried the

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Forbes Mercy
We have a lot of those sectors out and some of the lessons we learned were: 1) The higher the DB the less downward/upward range it covers, 2) same for 90's versus 120's, the 120's have a lot wider downward coverage than the 90's. Its hard on us because all of our towers are are on steep hills

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Tom Sharples
Main problem is that to get a 120 degree pattern with 16 db of gain you have to have a razor-thin vertical arpeture (around 6 degrees). So you're probably going to have to use the two-man method you're describing to get optimum results, or use a lower-gain antenna. Tom S. - Original Messag

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Jerry Richardson
I couldn't use the markings as I was on a tower with sloped legs so I used an app on my iPhone. This would take the guesswork out (if you don't already have one): http://www.google.com/products/catalog?oe=UTF-8&gfns=1&q=angle+meter&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=809291610433363299&ei=0OiwS8zgNpHSsgOpruTjDQ&s

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Mike Hammett
I was told to not tilt them, to leave them flat. They have a built in electrical downtilt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:36 PM To: "'WISPA Genera

[WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-29 Thread Robert West
I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go right where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, nothing I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I

Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!

2010-03-29 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
H, I've had much better luck that than Bob. marlon - Original Message - From: "Lakeland" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! > Sorry I side with Travis. > > I have quite a few exper

Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!

2010-03-29 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I don't believe that. I've turned people in and the FCC dealt with them. I know of others that have also had success. Perhaps someone went about turning them in the wrong way? You do need some good proof. Spec analyzer readings, pics etc. If you need help give me a shout and I'll help you pu

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2010-03-29 Thread John Thomas
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Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting

2010-03-29 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
www.tucows.com Elliot is one of us! marlon - Original Message - From: "Steve Barnes" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] Email Hosting >I know that this has been discussed here last year but I am looking for >updates. > > I am wondering w

Re: [WISPA] Fw: FM choke

2010-03-29 Thread Josh Luthman
>From Mouser < http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Fair-Rite/0431164181/?qs=KmHvPbTOE4SbzMQqE%2fOkzw%3d%3d > Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” ---

Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

2010-03-29 Thread RickG
Apparently a lot for the hams traditionally go there. I'll be there for sure since my ride is going there. Hope to see & meet you Josh & Bob, &? *Blake, my ham buds say you should take that rope out there! On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Actually Alice recommended just th

Re: [WISPA] Odd packet loss problem on ethernet up the tower

2010-03-29 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hmmm, that's strange. Are you on an FM radio station tower? I have a LOT of ethernet problems in areas like that. Also, make sure you have a DC passing filter marlon - Original Message - From: "Scott Lambert" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:11 PM Subje

[WISPA] freeside help

2010-03-29 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, We mostly like our freeside install. I can't handle freeside the company anymore though. It's been a year now and our credit cards still won't run. Both sides tell me that the other side won't contact them. sigh I finally was able to afford the new radius server we needed (the old o

Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

2010-03-29 Thread Justin Wilson
I once had a 4U server sent to me. You can imagine how tall the box was after packing, etc. I received a call asking if I could go to the local UPS center because there was an issue and they did not want to deliver it. Since I was headed that way anyway I agreed. When I arrived they took me

[WISPA] Rick Kunze

2010-03-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Has anyone heard from Rick Kunze lately? I see Level3 got some money to open up a POP in his home town. http://www.telecomramblings.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/BTOP-Awardee-Info-LVLT2-150x150.png - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --

[WISPA] Fw: FM choke

2010-03-29 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
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[WISPA] Anyone near Eastern Cleveland?

2010-03-29 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.telecomramblings.com/2010/03/who-needs-google-1gbps-to-eastern-cleveland/#more-6155 Did you hear from CWRU? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Joi

Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting

2010-03-29 Thread Curtis Maurand
I'm not sure that I'd want to give up my customer's data to a datamining company that is not interested in their privacy. --C On 3/26/2010 5:36 AM, Blair Davis wrote: > got a link for more info on the ISP version of Gmail? > > Jerry Richardson wrote: >> We do. We love it, customers love it. >> >

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?

2010-03-29 Thread Curtis Maurand
Yes, but Maia Mailguard doesn't know how to deal with dbmail which is the non standard piece that I'm using. dbmail is a replacement for dovecot or other local mail transport that uses MySQL or PostgreSQL as it message store and for accounts. I don't have to have user accounts for the mail c