[WISPA] Airmax speed

2010-06-28 Thread MDK
I put up a temporary install of a UBNT rocket / sector combination, and it's at one of my regular AP spots, it sees quite a bit of noise. using a nanobridge as a cpe, and with only one other client online... I was able, at 4 miles, to get an internal speed test of 120mbit.This is using

Re: [WISPA] Airmax speed

2010-06-28 Thread Dennis Burgess
What about TCP? --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS

Re: [WISPA] Airmax speed

2010-06-28 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
TCP tests are typically about 60% to 75% of 'air' speed. By 'internal speed' test MDK is referring to built in radio to radio iperf test... Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 6/28/2010 1:15 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: What about TCP?

Re: [WISPA] Airmax speed

2010-06-28 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
With all of our testing... the NanoBridge is good for 4 to 6 miles... 8miles is a bit far for the NBM5 for that you may have better luck with NB-25 or the Powerbridge. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 6/28/2010 12:03 PM, MDK wrote: I put up a temporary install of a UBNT rocket /

Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips

2010-06-28 Thread Mike
The easy resolve for that problem, if you have to have GFIs, is to add a small APC UPS after the GFI and use GOOD ones! _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges? mumble back

2010-06-28 Thread Forbes Mercy
Travis, We not only looked at Vegas, not only did Vegas come in a close 3rd in the survey where 77 members answered back in October 2009 but we actually (3 board members) went there and met with people, trust me Vegas was on our radar. It wasn't first though and an even larger conflict was

Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?

2010-06-28 Thread Forbes Mercy
Robert, Are you on the Promotion Committee? These are all important inputs we need when we make decisions, it wasn't the board who decided, they followed the recommendations of the Promotion Committee. We have no intention of having another summer show, we have learned a lot in this our

Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?

2010-06-28 Thread Chuck Profito
How about a west coast regional 2 or 3 day WISPA cruise like SF to LA , or just Long Beach to Catalina -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 11:44 AM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?

2010-06-28 Thread Forbes Mercy
Chuck, You wouldn't get any objection from me, are you going on the Wireless Cruise this fall? Forbes On 6/28/2010 1:57 PM, Chuck Profito wrote: How about a west coast regional 2 or 3 day WISPA cruise like SF to LA , or just Long Beach to Catalina -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?

2010-06-28 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Isn't the cruise in the Gulf? ...just sayin'... ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges? Chuck, You

Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?

2010-06-28 Thread Rick Harnish
Chuck, I am guessing the next event after the Oxford Show in Dallas will be a Regional Event on the West or East Coasts or at least a centralized location along the coasts. We will probably do another survey to see which coast wins! Rick -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?

2010-06-28 Thread Forbes Mercy
Even if it smells really badly at least we won't run out of oil, just skim a little off... On 6/28/2010 2:14 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Isn't the cruise in the Gulf? ...just sayin'... ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips

2010-06-28 Thread RickG
Thats standard procedure for me. I put in line conditioners too. On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: The easy resolve for that problem, if you have to have GFIs, is to add a small APC UPS after the GFI and use GOOD ones!  _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips

2010-06-28 Thread RickG
I agree. All of my other towers do NOT have GFCI and do NOT have any issues. On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:24 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: We have had problems over the years at sites using GFCI's.  In all cases we removed them and hardwired the equipment. Way too many service interuptions with

Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips

2010-06-28 Thread RickG
I suppose you have to weigh between possibly losing an occational power supply or outages causing multiple truck rolls. What I really want to know is using a GFCI outlet standard proceedure for tower installations? On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: They

Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips

2010-06-28 Thread RickG
Ground is good. This is a very simple clean install: [power]--[UPS]--{POE]--[radio] My local electrician says no need for GFCI, so out it goes! On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Check the install.  GFCI is ground fault.  It should always trip if the

Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips

2010-06-28 Thread lakeland
No. I can't remember the last time I saw a GFCI at a tower site except for a service outlet on the outside of a shelter. My understanding they are only required in wet locations where corded devices are used. Hardwire a UPS into the circuit and throw the GFCI out. NEC does not require GFCI's

Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?

2010-06-28 Thread RickG
So are you going are you gonna stay there with Rikeesha? :) On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: We originally picked St. Louis With total and absolute respect for the board, we had an online discussion of where and why among all of us and St. Louis

Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips

2010-06-28 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
GFCIs do nothing to protect your equipment from surges, spikes, etc. All they do is interrupt the circuit if the current flowing on the hot conductor is not equal to the current flowing on the neutral conductor, which indicates that some current is leaking to ground. You need a TVSS to arrest

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Not only that but the systems tend to work much nicer when they are run within the design specs marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum

Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?

2010-06-28 Thread RickG
Right on all counts Charles, 1. I would've put it off longer but with the price going up I wanted the discount. 2. Yes, easy to forget with so much going on. 3. For me, the compelling stuff is to meet more people in the industry. The fact that the whole WISPA Board is going to be there convinced

[WISPA] OT, new IP addresses blackholed

2010-06-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, We're trying to get some newly assigned IP addresses to work right. 199.204.200.x thru 199.204.208.x My upstream tells me that their upstream is trying to work with ATT on the issue (that's where a trace route dies). We can get to most internet sites, but those within ATT's network

Re: [WISPA] Network Redesign

2010-06-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi Alan, We're in the process of doing this too. We're going to run a bridged backbone (mostly) with routing AP's. Mikrotik in our case. For IP space we went to ARIN and got our own (two upstreams on opposite sides of the network). We were able to get 8 class c's this way. We're also

Re: [WISPA] Network Redesign

2010-06-28 Thread Alan Bryant
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi Alan, We're in the process of doing this too. We're going to run a bridged backbone (mostly) with routing AP's.  Mikrotik in our case. For IP space we went to ARIN and got our own (two upstreams on opposite

Re: [WISPA] OT, new IP addresses blackholed

2010-06-28 Thread Alan Bryant
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, We're trying to get some newly assigned IP addresses to work right. 199.204.200.x thru 199.204.208.x My upstream tells me that their upstream is trying to work with ATT on the issue (that's where a

Re: [WISPA] OT, new IP addresses blackholed

2010-06-28 Thread Travis Johnson
Keep pushing your upstream(s) to get it fixed. Daily calls. We had the same issue with our 69.20.128 block about 6 years ago... apparently the entire 69 block used to be unrouteable IP space until ARIN opened it up and starting giving it out to poor suckers (like me)... the problem was most

Re: [WISPA] Network Redesign

2010-06-28 Thread Travis Johnson
One way to conserve IP space is to route a subnet to each tower rather than each AP. Have every AP plugged into a switch at the tower, and then into a router before it leaves that tower. That way you can use up the entire subnet before adding another. ;) Travis Microserv Alan Bryant wrote:

Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.

2010-06-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
The real question is: Is Stuart going to book a tour? roflol ciao, Stuart Pierce - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.

Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?

2010-06-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I'll be there. I've not see the speaker's roster yet so I'm not sure I'll get much out of it or not. To me, the big draw for a show is being able to hear from my peers and see my friends. I can talk to a vendor any time. It's those that are doing what I do, successfully, that I want to

Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?

2010-06-28 Thread Rick Harnish
It is all on the registration page Marlon, has been for about a month. It changes as we refine the topics and speakers. http://wispaslrm.eventbrite.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent:

Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips

2010-06-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
gici devices generally suck. The only thing I've seen that's worse is the new Arcfault units. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 3:48 PM Subject: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips Anyone had any issues with a GFCI

Re: [WISPA] OT, new IP addresses blackholed

2010-06-28 Thread Scott Lambert
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 07:29:16PM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, We're trying to get some newly assigned IP addresses to work right. 199.204.200.x thru 199.204.208.x My upstream tells me that their upstream is trying to work with ATT on the issue (that's where a trace route

Re: [WISPA] OT, new IP addresses blackholed

2010-06-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hiya Alan, I'm not on any NANOG lists. Don't even know what that is. I'm NOT the router guy here. I'm the wireless guy. (Butch is the router guy for my company.) marlon - Original Message - From: Alan Bryant a...@gtekcommunications.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] OT, new IP addresses blackholed

2010-06-28 Thread Glenn Kelley
https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo Well worth being on if you have issues ... On Jun 28, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hiya Alan, I'm not on any NANOG lists. Don't even know what that is. I'm NOT the router guy here. I'm the wireless guy. (Butch is the router

Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?

2010-06-28 Thread RickG
LOL, I'm with you. I didnt even look at the vendor list, just who is going to be there. Now I see your name :) I'll make it a point to find you! -RickG On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'll be there. I've not see the speaker's roster yet so I'm

Re: [WISPA] Network Redesign

2010-06-28 Thread RickG
Would you leave the AP in bridge mode and let the tower router take care of the routing? On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: One way to conserve IP space is to route a subnet to each tower rather than each AP. Have every AP plugged into a switch at the tower,

Re: [WISPA] Network Redesign

2010-06-28 Thread Travis Johnson
Yes. Travis RickG wrote: Would you leave the AP in bridge mode and let the tower router take care of the routing? On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: One way to conserve IP space is to route a subnet to each tower rather than each AP. Have every AP