Re: [WISPA] Digital Loggers script

2010-07-12 Thread Mike
Glen: It is the web power switch II, or the one with 8 ports. I have a few of them. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 11:02 PM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10

2010-07-12 Thread RickG
It seems like all the cheap routers race to see who is the worst! On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I quit using Linksys for that very reason. If I place a multiport wireless router it is usually a Netgear. I have a lot less problems. I think the Linksys power

Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10

2010-07-12 Thread Steve Barnes
We have had very little issues with Trendnet. $24 Sell for $45. Easy money. Guys keep 5 in the trucks at all times. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, July

Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10

2010-07-12 Thread ~NGL~
Which model Trendnet? Thanx From: Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 We have had very little issues with Trendnet. $24 Sell for $45. Easy money. Guys keep 5 in the trucks at all

Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10

2010-07-12 Thread Steve Barnes
TEW-432BRP Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10

Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10

2010-07-12 Thread Chris Gotstein
Exact one we use, good pricing, very good low cost router for the end user. On 7/12/2010 10:08 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: *TEW-432BRP* *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10

2010-07-12 Thread Mike Hammett
I used to use that, but I've since moved to the Asus 520. It can be set in a bridge mode so that my MT CPE still does NAT, does WIFI, and has a few Ethernet ports as well. TrendNet had one that could do this too, but availability was scarce. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10

2010-07-12 Thread Mike
It looks like those are no longer being made, but New Egg and Tiger Direct appear to have some cheap. _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
We're being quoted for a VMWare cluster to consolidate our servers. Not sure what the timeframe is, but I was thinking I'd run either a radius server or an instance of RouterOS dedicated to the UM within a VM. Is anyone doing that? -Paul On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Not

Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10

2010-07-12 Thread Mike
Mike, What are you paying for the Asus? I am looking for that functionality. I usually use a Deliberant and a switch. Or just a Netgear router, depending on where I install. _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10

2010-07-12 Thread Steve Barnes
Mike Hammett, What IP range do those ASUS use as well buy default. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, July 12,

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Josh Luthman
Not sure where VMware's latest products stand as far as disks but realize that RouterOS didn't support SCSI until the latest beta 5.0. IDE disks may still be around in VMware ESX, but I know Server 2 doesn't nor does ESXi 3.5 or 4.0. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:04, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Not sure where VMware's latest products stand as far as disks but realize that RouterOS didn't support SCSI until the latest beta 5.0. IDE disks may still be around in VMware ESX, but I know Server 2 doesn't nor

[WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Steve Barnes
Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the only way to go on a SOHO routers. Why? What's the benefits? What's the down falls? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 12:04 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: Not sure where VMware's latest products stand as far as disks but realize that RouterOS didn't support SCSI until the latest beta 5.0. IDE disks may still be around in VMware ESX, but I know Server 2 doesn't nor does ESXi 3.5 or 4.0. If

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Dennis Burgess
got me. We simply use MT. Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but sounds like more work than it needs to be. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies,

[WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy

2010-07-12 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Is it necessary to add Poly Phaser lightning arrestors on connectorized Canopy units? Even if they are mounted to the tippy top of tower with an Omni? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Josh Luthman
Looking at ESXi 4.0 right now and I can not add an IDE controller. The oldest Windows guest OS was NT4. Tried virtual hardware 4. I can add new disks to the SCSI interface but can not add any other storage related interfaces. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Everything other than VoIP I currently run in VMs. Working on radius - MT. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/12/2010 10:58 AM, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: We're being quoted for a VMWare cluster to consolidate our servers. Not sure what the

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:14, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: got me. We simply use MT. Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but sounds like more work than it needs to be. Assuming you're using something like a

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 12:17 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: Looking at ESXi 4.0 right now and I can not add an IDE controller. The oldest Windows guest OS was NT4. Tried virtual hardware 4. I can add new disks to the SCSI interface but can not add any other storage related interfaces. As I

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Jerry Richardson
It is powerful, offers a lot of performance and features but I see it as a support nightmare as most techs are not familiar The MT RB750 smokes DD-WRT - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:17, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Looking at ESXi 4.0 right now and I can not add an IDE controller. The oldest Windows guest OS was NT4. Tried virtual hardware 4. I can add new disks to the SCSI interface but can not add any other storage related

Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10

2010-07-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Some 192.168 range... 192.168.20.x, maybe? I always set the IP to a static one in the subnet my MT hands out. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/12/2010 11:07 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Mike Hammett, What IP range do those ASUS use as well buy

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Josh Luthman
Found my issue - when making a New Virtual Machine specify Typical - NOT Custom. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:31 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:17, Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Mike
David: No disrespect intended here, but I have been through the DD-WRT thing with Linksys and Buffalo routers. The Buffalo worked better long term. I probably did it with 20 units total. Isn't DD-WRT used for commercial purposes a pay as you go deal? I used them once for a WDS

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Greg Ihnen
Before I went UBNT here I was running a network of Buffalo WHR-HP-54G routers. I tried them all (except for OpenWRT) and I settled on Tomato software. Throughput and reliability seemed to be better. Greg On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Ok I have heard from lots of threads

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Josh Luthman
Ubiquiti is making a wireless router and I'm told the price should be good. Hoping Ubiquiti continues to impress and please! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
I'd be very interested in something like this. I attempted a freeradius install once, but gave up when I found the User Manager so quick and easy. So would running the UM in a VM likely solve the performance issues? There is one other thing I thought of: I downgraded the RAM in the RB1000 where

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Greg Ihnen
With dd-wrt some images are free, some are paid, depending on whether Brain Slayer thinks the hardware is consumer or commercial oriented. Greg On Jul 12, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Mike wrote: David: No disrespect intended here, but I have been through the DD-WRT thing with Linksys and Buffalo

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Greg Ihnen
I'm waiting for the one MT is reportedly coming out with Greg On Jul 12, 2010, at 1:59 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Ubiquiti is making a wireless router and I'm told the price should be good. Hoping Ubiquiti continues to impress and please! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct:

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Josh Luthman
You may be having a disk IO issue - the Routerboards are quite slow reading to disk. A junkyard PC would probably be faster then the RB1000. Do you have CPU and RAM graphed? If not you should...and on every other RouterOS device, too. As of 3.18 or 22 (around there) you get /sys store which

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 13:24, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: No disrespect intended here, but I have been through the DD-WRT thing with Linksys and Buffalo routers. The Buffalo worked better long term. I probably did it with 20 units total. Everyone has anecdotal evidence for/against their

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Chris Hudson
I use a MT client radio and set it up to do routing, then put a Belkin router behind my radio and put it into AP mode. The MT does all the routing and the Belkin is just a switch and AP... Job done. Chris - Original Message - From: David E. Smith To: WISPA General List Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
So you think an Atom based x86 server with an SSD will do pretty well for a dedicated User Manager box? Something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262 -Paul On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: You may be having a disk IO issue - the

[WISPA] Vendor Members?

2010-07-12 Thread Jim Patient
I noticed that some of the exhibitors at the upcoming St. Louis WISPA membership meeting are not on the vendor member spotlight. Not sure if they were just missed and not added to the site or if they are not vendor members? If they are not vendor members then they still have time to sign up as

Re: [WISPA] Vendor Members?

2010-07-12 Thread Rick Harnish
Jim, Vendor Membership is an ongoing process. I have already identified those exhibitors who are not yet vendor members and plan on speaking to them one on one at the Regional Meeting. As you know, some sales are more difficult than others. I hope that when they get to the meeting and see

Re: [WISPA] Vendor Members?

2010-07-12 Thread Jim Patient
Thanx for the update. On 7/12/2010 5:09 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: Jim, Vendor Membership is an ongoing process. I have already identified those exhibitors who are not yet vendor members and plan on speaking to them one on one at the Regional Meeting. As you know, some sales are more

[WISPA] Tranzeo AP and Ubiquity client

2010-07-12 Thread Jerry Richardson
Any reason a Rocket 5M client won't connect to a Tranzeo AP in non-AirMax mode? [cid:image001.jpg@01CB21DC.985C5220] inline: image001.jpgattachment: Jerry Richardson.vcf WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo AP and Ubiquity client

2010-07-12 Thread Michael Baird
Antenna polarity? I think those work off horizontal connecting to single chain units, flip the cables, or turn the antenna so chain0 is on the polarity of your AP. Regards Michael Baird Any reason a Rocket 5M client won't connect to a Tranzeo AP in non-AirMax mode?

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Josh Luthman
I don't know if I would get an Atom CPU for a user manager box but I know that box would be an improvement over the RB anything. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop

Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10

2010-07-12 Thread RickG
Tried those once too. They had problems as well. Might be better now - IDK. I just gave up and tell my customers to get their favorite box and deal with it. On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: We have had very little issues with Trendnet. $24 Sell for $45.

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Robert West
My problem with the latest DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to overheat or lockup. At least on the Linksys hardware. Not as good anymore. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, July 12,

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Glenn Kelley
i have seen this as well on the linksys hardware - but then again what good is linksys hardware? doorstops maybe. Trendnet, Netgear and others seem to have them beat... I was hoping when Cisco made the purchase they would get better... alas - time to stop holding my breath. Bob - SOHO on

Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo AP and Ubiquity client

2010-07-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Older firmware wasn't legacy friendly. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/12/2010 6:09 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Any reason a Rocket 5M client won't connect to a

[WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

2010-07-12 Thread Glenn Kelley
Yeah - Imagine that.$17,763 per line!I wish I had their grant writer on staff ! Via: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/07/rural-telco-serves-17-people-rakes-in-300k-of-your-money.ars ATT was insanely profitable in 2009, with $34.4 billion in revenue and $12.5 billion

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Scottie Arnett
Not a pro or con on DD-WRT, but it is a very functional piece of software. I have been running it on my Linksys WRT54GL for 3 or 4 years. It supports DDNS, VLANS, VLAN tagging, Bridging, Wireless( setting all parameters), MAC radius Client, Wireless Security(WEP, ALL WPA, Radius) MAC filters, WDS,

Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

2010-07-12 Thread RickG
Your World - Delivered! On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Yeah - Imagine that.    $17,763 per line!    I wish I had their grant writer on staff ! Via:  

Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

2010-07-12 Thread Jack Unger
So how can WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to broadband? Noodle me that... Glenn Kelley wrote: Yeah - Imagine that.    $17,763 per line!    I wish I had their grant writer on staff ! Via:  

Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

2010-07-12 Thread Glenn Kelley
That was my question. I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number of towers around - and then a few thousand per subscriber per year to give them VOIP and Internet... - but then again I guess we all would Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we should

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Robert West
The M series firmware has a SOHO router option. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT i have seen this as well on

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Robert West
And I hate Netgear routers more than the Linksys. Out of all the cheap a** crap, I find the Linksys to be a bit more bearable but the slippery slope is slipping a bit faster lately. All of them into big pile of crap. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Glenn Kelley
interesting ... did not see that yet but peeking now On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Robert West wrote: The M series firmware has a SOHO router option. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Jason Bailey
yes,but programming a new linksys in 1 minute flat is nice!,Try that netgear!!!(even customers can do it!) --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Robert West
Just the stripped down v24 that's been out forever. All of the Broadcom based WRT54G versions are stable as can be, as far I've seen, but the newer versions, (like the past 5 years!!!) suck. DD-WRT is cool on Broadcom but all the Atheros chips seem to throw it into crazy land. Love those older

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Jason Bailey
walked in the door mumbling to myself as i read my blackberry,said soho and smack! time for bed. --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday,

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Robert West
Just stay away from those 35 dollar Linksys routers at Wal-Mart. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT Not a pro

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Robert West
Go into the Networking tab then Network Mode. Change to SOHO Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT interesting ...

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Jason Bailey
i noticed all of them at walmart say cisco and hide linksys now,and have an added pricetag? --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT To: sarn...@info-ed.com, 'WISPA General List'

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Greg Ihnen
Can you leave NAT and firewall off, and put the LAN and WAN IP's in the same range (basically make it be a bridge) as a way to enable the DHCP server? Greg On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:26 PM, Robert West wrote: Go into the Networking tab then Network Mode. Change to SOHO Bob- -Original

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Robert West
Cisco has done so much for the Linksys brand. NOT! They're burying it. All the new units have the cisco logo and suck. That 35 dollar Linksys router, it couldn't even do WPA whatsoever with the 1.0 software it was released with. How in the heck can a company as big as that miss

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Robert West
Dunno, never had the need to put one in SOHO mode and work it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT Can you leave

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Robert West
I have a subcontractor who collects them at the thrift stores for. Usually, 5 bucks each. The older v1 and 2s. I have too much to do, no time to hunt at the thrift stores but the older units still chug along. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

2010-07-12 Thread Chuck Hogg
That's a double edged sword... You don't pay into USF currently as WISP's are not classified as such. Then if we are, we'd have a hard time at it, but we'd be eligible for those funds. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original

Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

2010-07-12 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 7/13/2010 12:31 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: That's a double edged sword... You don't pay into USF currently as WISP's are not classified as such. Then if we are, we'd have a hard time at it, but we'd be eligible for those funds. Try again, Chuck. The pending FCC proposal is a bit worse, where bit