Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-19 Thread Chris Fabien
My guess would be inconsistent cheapo volt meter or power supply/battery voltage was fluctuating. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: That's what I thought... but... he said: We see 27.3 volts at the battery. And 27.1 volts at the top with no load On Thu,

[WISPA] Have you got your shopping list ready?

2012-10-19 Thread Forbes Mercy
Hello Members, I have a shopping list started for WISPPALOOZA, I will be interviewing companies to buy a new billing system (mine is 18 years old), I am interested in expanding into surveillance monitoring and in-home management systems for our installers to add to our services. Also I want

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 10/19/2012 12:40 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Maybe I should take this off-list but this would be a better question. What RFC or industry standard features are you referring ? Specific items! :) It's not in RFCs; RFCs are the IETF vehicle, which is really all about TCP/IP. Carrier

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Simon Westlake
Mike, I completely agree and I think it is a goal the WISP industry needs to work towards - the provisioning of CPE is still a nightmare in comparison to DOCSIS. PPPoE is not a good solution, IMO - it's arguably better than nothing but you shouldn't have to rely on the customer supplied

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Josh Luthman
It does build a security, though. Security = 1/convenience*0.72 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: Mike, I completely agree and I think it is a goal the

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Simon Westlake
What builds security? On 10/19/2012 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It does build a security, though. Security = 1/convenience*0.72 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Josh Luthman
The opposite of convenience and standardization. You do things your way, I do things my way, another guy does things his way - makes it hard to jump from network to network from a white hat or black hat perspective. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 12:55 -0500, Simon Westlake wrote: I completely agree and I think it is a goal the WISP industry needs to work towards - the provisioning of CPE is still a nightmare in comparison to DOCSIS. PPPoE is not a good solution, IMO - it's arguably better than nothing but you

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Simon Westlake
This is true. If there were only some software company that would come up with a way to make this easier and add some level of security into the mix :-) Perhaps I have said too much ;) -- Simon Westlake Powercode.com (920) 351-1010 ___

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread LTI - Dennis Burgess
don't know why you would let the customer equipment auth. our network all auth is done at the CPE that we control. On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.comwrote: Mike, I completely agree and I think it is a goal the WISP industry needs to work towards - the

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Simon Westlake
I pretty much say 'meh' to that. What it really means is that a smart person can probably quickly find a way to exploit your network because everyone is reinventing the wheel and making a lot of mistakes doing it. I get what you're saying but I don't agree that it is a good reason for lack of

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Simon Westlake
On 10/19/2012 1:48 PM, LTI - Dennis Burgess wrote: don't know why you would let the customer equipment auth. our network all auth is done at the CPE that we control. A lot of people are enabling public IPs at the premise by having the customer router engage in PPPoE with the ISP concentrator.

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Josh Luthman
I have all of that now. I NAT the CPE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: I pretty much say 'meh' to that. What it really means is that a smart person can

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Simon Westlake
Yeah.. that's the solution most WISPs are forced into. Would sure be nice to do it without NAT. On 10/19/2012 1:58 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I have all of that now. I NAT the CPE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 19,

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Mike Hammett
What we're (well, I am anyway) saying is that the way the WISP industry does it... is sub-optimal. The customer should be able to supply whatever device they want, be handed up to a configured maximum number of public IP addresses (specified per account), but the CPE has managed all account

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Mike Hammett
Except that's sub-optimal. I do it that way, but it's not the best way of doing it. We shouldn't have to manage that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Mike Hammett
It's going to require the radio company to do it first. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:16:07 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 15:52 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: Except that's sub-optimal. I do it that way, but it's not the best way of doing it. We shouldn't have to manage that. What is it that you feel you have to manage behind the natted CPE? Unless they are a business account, they don't really

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 15:52 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: It's going to require the radio company to do it first. So, you want to see a mechanism in place where you (or your customer) purchase some random gear, put it on their tower or house and they are online without you doing anything? THAT is

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Mike Hammett
I guess not. ;-) Either they have to configure PPPoE or I have to configure NAT. If they use PPPoE, they don't pass 1500 byte packets (I've asked about raising the MTUs above 1500 to accommodate, and no one had an answer) and they have to configure the router. You use DHCP and now either you

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-19 Thread Olufemi Adalemo
A friend of mine suggested that I put a simple DIY LM317 voltage regulator on the line. Just built one and it works to reduce the voltage just enough for you to come in under the limit if you have a 24v solar power supply system http://diyaudioprojects.com/Technical/Voltage-Regulator/ - - -

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Mike Hammett
No. The cable modem (radio) does the authentication (therefore rate limiting, one address per house, etc.) while the customer supplied device is the terminus for the public IP and does the NAT. I install the radio, hand them the cat6 out of the back of the PoE and they plug it into whatever

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Sam Tetherow
No, I think he wants some piece of equipment that allows the subscriber to plug into the ethernet port on his CPE and it is handed a public IP address via DHCP (that he can control without knowing the MAC of the equipment). One way to come close would be to assign a /30 to each customer and

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Tim Warnock
Either they have to configure PPPoE or I have to configure NAT. If they use PPPoE, they don't pass 1500 byte packets (I've asked about raising the MTUs above 1500 to accommodate, and no one had an answer) and they have to configure the router. You use DHCP and now either you can't do the

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
i will respectfully disagree..WISP Industry is rather a broad Term... How one provider (WISP or otherwise) sets up their Service DMARC / Delivery of the Service is totally dependent on the WISP and to Whom they are delivering the Service to. If you are saying what you are saying in the

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Zach Mann
Wish we could unsubscribe from certain, never ending threads. On Oct 19, 2012 5:52 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: i will respectfully disagree..WISP Industry is rather a broad Term... How one provider (WISP or otherwise) sets up their Service DMARC / Delivery of the Service

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Sorry bro. hit the delete key. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 10/19/2012 6:54 PM, Zach Mann wrote: Wish we could unsubscribe from certain, never ending

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 16:49 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: No. The cable modem (radio) does the authentication (therefore rate limiting, one address per house, etc.) while the customer supplied device is the terminus for the public IP and does the NAT. I install the radio, hand them the cat6

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 15:50 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: What we're (well, I am anyway) saying is that the way the WISP industry does it... is sub-optimal. The way YOU are doing it may be sub-optimal. It is not an industry wide problem. There are ways to accomplish what you want. The

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-19 Thread Blair Davis
wire and connection loss. On 10/18/2012 2:03 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: A voltage difference with no load? What's causing the drop? On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: We

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-19 Thread Blair Davis
I've been in electronics for 30+years. Trust me, there always small variations in voltage on long cable runs, even under no load. -- On 10/18/2012 10:24 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: That's what I thought... but... he said: "We see 27.3

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-19 Thread Blair Davis
Watch the heat dissipation on that... -- On 10/19/2012 5:55 PM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote: A friend of mine suggested that I put a simple DIY LM317 voltage regulator on the line. Just built one and it works to reduce the voltage just enough for