So what's the latest with this?
We essentially have an IPTV headend running in the shop. It's nice being
able to sit in my office and work on the computer, while watching TV
streamed over the LAN.
But that doesn't make much money.
At the UBNT AirMax conference they said they're doing IPTV over
To this day I've heard of countless people that do it to compete (the triple
bundle) but none that make any money.
6mbps multicast...per active channel.
Usually it happens in such a way that if someone starts watching a channels
20-25 the channel will multicast through the network up until no
Probably would not be profitable for us, either, in all actuality.
We'd like to just offer some basic channels. Maybe 30 or 40. For those
people who really just want basic TV
Networks, Disney, ESPN, etc. But I think the programmers would force you to
carry all their other stupid channels.
Out of idle curiosity, have any of you IPTV folks priced CableCARDs? There's
a certain appeal in having customers provide their own equipment.
David Smith
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CableCARD's don't accept Ethernet...?
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 8:11 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote:
Out of idle curiosity, have any of you IPTV folks priced CableCARDs?
There's
a certain appeal in having customers provide their own equipment.
David Smith
MVN.net
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 09:49, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
CableCARD's don't accept Ethernet...?
I was assuming using IP as a convenient way to deliver TV, as in a fiber
deployment (where the end-user only sees coax).
David Smith
MVN.net
Jayson Baker wrote:
I will need to test that. The setting lets you use any valid modulation for
the
RF mode your in. I will also test with my B5M's.
What exactly are you referring to? On the older 802.11a/b/g devices I see
Multicast Rate.
But on the Rocket/Bullet/Nano N-series (M
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Interestingly enough, I've had a project lying on my
Did you get any pricing for the Amino STB's?
I would like to know more about your setup.
Richard
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I seem to remember the low-end ones were around $130/ea. Not sure about the
others. Price will vary based on where you buy and in what quantity I
assume.
Remembered that standard 802.11 will only multicast at around 1Mbps. So
that's why we were having the problem with the multicast over AirMax
You can change the multicast rate on the non airmax units. Mine are enroute so
have not tried with the airmax gear.
I have not heard back about the units.
At 130 ea, a Roku with the same features as the low end unit, will be more cost
effective. I am still researching about the licensing
IIRc, multicast is limited at the 6Mbps modulation on WiFi
Tell me I'm wrong, please. But I've read it a couple times--compeltely
forgot until we started doing this.
Before, when we were watching IPTV off our fiber headend, we were doing it
over EoIP.
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:19 PM,
I will need to test that. The setting lets you use any valid modulation for the
RF mode your in. I will also test with my B5M's.
Jayson Baker wrote:
IIRc, multicast is limited at the 6Mbps modulation on WiFi
Tell me I'm wrong, please. But I've read it a couple times--compeltely
forgot until
: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Interestingly enough, I've had a project lying on my desk for a couple
weeks
now which requires streaming live content to a large group of people in a
neighborhood (think of it as a neighborhood association wanting to
broadcast
their meetings to their residents
, November 16, 2009 12:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Interestingly enough, I've had a project lying on my desk for a couple
weeks
now which requires streaming live content to a large group of people in a
neighborhood (think
I've read the responses from others who are running IPTV over wireless.
My question is when you all are saying wireless, do you mean unlicensed 2.4ghz
or 5.8ghz, or do you mean wireless technology in general?
My company utilizes 2.5 and 3.65ghz, which are the same frequencies we'd be
looking
We got OK to do it over MT equipment in unlicensed bands.
Their concern was that A) they didn't want it going over any sort of public
network (i.e. WiFi Hotspot) and B) encryption remained in-tact from the
headend to the STB.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Blake Covarrubias
That seams reasonable. Did I understand you correctly earlier in that you can
not talk about the license process due to NDA, or due to not being directly
involved? I will be contacting Avail Media and checking into their offerings.
Jayson Baker wrote:
We got OK to do it over MT equipment in
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Do you have any idea why? And, from my reading of FCC documents a IP Video
delivery service is not bound by the same
: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
You have to spend a lot of money getting the rights from the channels -
this
is painful.
An alternative is to resell service from a company that already has this.
I
believe you must use the feed from that particular company, but I could be
wrong.
Josh
, November 15, 2009 10:50 PM
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Do you have any idea why? And, from my reading of FCC documents a IP Video
delivery service is not bound by the same CATV must carry rules.
Why do you say 500k for a real system
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I cannot
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I cannot comment on the contracts.
As I have mentioned previously, we
Blake,
In general the IPTV principles being discussed would apply to any
broadband wireless system either license-free, licensed, or licensed-lite.
jack
Blake Covarrubias wrote:
I've read the responses from others who are running IPTV over wireless.
My question is when you all are saying
Interestingly enough, I've had a project lying on my desk for a couple weeks
now which requires streaming live content to a large group of people in a
neighborhood (think of it as a neighborhood association wanting to broadcast
their meetings to their residents). I don't know why I didn't see the
Well thats exactly what I had in mind. Its the licensing portion that is getting
me. Now, the requirement for enc to the STB, is not that big a deal, unless they
can mandate what type and such. I also know that some places are doing a IP feed
over there digital channel @19mbit (2sd 1 hd, iirc). In
We successfuly transmitted all of our programming over MikroTik wireless
links without any problems. Including HD.
I have one doubt. Let's say that one SD/HD channel takes 1Mbps (just to
make math simple) and let's say that the number of total available
channel is 50. (the total number or
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We successfuly transmitted all of our programming over MikroTik wireless
links without any problems. Including HD.
I have one doubt. Let's say that one SD/HD channel takes 1Mbps (just to
make
That is why my target is to just qualify for being a CATV operator (and my
target spots are the same, less then 15 channels, all but one is OTA).
Using multicast, all say, 20 channels will head out, no extra use per TV and no
VoD. (for the wireless network). This also assumes its a dedicated
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I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not
seam to
be a whole
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Jayson Baker wrote:
Building the headend isn't that difficult, you're right.
Ours was actually pretty simple. We used multi-channel satellite
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I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not
seam to
be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I
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I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not
seam
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I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not
seam to
be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada .
I
can not
find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho
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Jayson,
Can you elaborate on the contracts and the system you have in place to
provide this?
-RickG
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I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically
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I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not
seam to
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I have been looking at some IPTV options
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I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does
not
seam to
be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own
You can roll your own middleware until you have to deal with encryption.
Most IPTV settop boxes are provisioned via bootp to push out the OS and the
channel maps, so it is a trivial matter to provision a STB on your own.
Encryption, however, complicates matters a lot and, as Jayson mentioned,
even
Most of the processing stuff can be done on Linux with VLC and/or FFMpeg
(for IP to ASI conversion, transcoding/transrating, etc...)
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.comwrote:
We're operate a small cable TV company in a minor section of our
If you're skeptical about putting $50k into IPTV, you probably need to be
looking elsewhere. Even rolling your own, it can easily run you more than
that. Satellite receivers are expensive. ASI to IP conversion is
expensive. The likely upgrades to your network to handle the increased load
is
, November 11, 2009 10:02 AM
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If you're skeptical about putting $50k into IPTV, you probably need to be
looking elsewhere. Even rolling your own, it can easily run you more than
that. Satellite receivers are expensive. ASI to IP
This may help a few of you out
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7656628/HOw-to-Set-Up-Your-Own-Home-IPTVVoD-System
http://www.aminocom.com/index.asp?PageID=2145848499
Richard
2009/11/11 Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Do you mean I can't just point a web cam at my TV and have the customer
We're operate a small cable TV company in a minor section of our service area
and carry about 55 channels which includes most of the major networks.
We're interested in deploying IPTV. What middleware software would you
recommend? You mentioned you used Linux in your headend environment. Can
I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to
be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not
find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, etc. There
is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not
Have a look at Avail Media. We used them in the past for an FTTH project I
was involved in.
They will provide you the headend, and satellite feeds from their
super-headend (aggregator).
They work with the networks and it makes licensing and such a little easier.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM,
When we looked into Avail Media, it was a $500,000 investment to start
if I remember correctly. (Headend, set top boxes, etc.)
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
Have a look at Avail Media. We used them in the past for an FTTH project I
was involved
Thats the problem, if I had 50K sitting around for gear, I would not be putting
it into TV (well, maybe I would be, but more BW, more towers, faster clients,
etc come to mind sooner).
I can build a head end for far far less then that, If I stuck to the free
channels or made my won deals with each
Building the headend isn't that difficult, you're right.
Ours was actually pretty simple. We used multi-channel satellite receivers;
each tuned 32 channels I think. It had an ASI output.
We'd take the ASI stream, and run it into an ASI-input PCI card. Each card
took 4 ASI streams, and was
The best option is create your own local content no license fees.
This means everything the local TV station has with no FCC license.
Probably only doable with a big cash reserve you pulled out of the stock
market.
So, what options exist for IPTV ?
Jayson Baker wrote:
Building the headend isn't that difficult, you're right.
Ours was actually pretty simple. We used multi-channel satellite receivers;
each tuned 32 channels I think. It had an ASI output.
Thats more channels then I am even really looking to start will, unless I can
find
Echostar's IPTV product is different from DISH Network's
wholesale/resellable service. DISH cannot cross ROW's. Echo IPTV can, it
was designed to do just that.
Middleware was something I wasn't too heavily involved in, to be honest with
you. But I do know your IPTV STB won't run without it.
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