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Mike Hammett
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Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:21 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards
Mike Hammett wrote:
Agreed. I don't intend on buying anything Cisco. Over priced, under
performing, and their we will screw you whether you like it or not
policies. No thanks, someone else, please.
One of my clients (a big cable company) just bought hundreds of
thousands of dollars of
Jenkins
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?
Even if I go to a NPE-G1 or G2 I still need a total of 5 ports.
1 for inbound connection.
2 for outbound to radios that serve different towers
1 for local network
If you guys want to bash Cisco, that's your perogative, but my
experience has been somewhat different. We recently took on a new client
that has some Cisco switches that their old VAR sols them 5 YEARs of
Smartnets on. Since we are looking at them upgrading to some new
equipment, we asked
Bash or no bash - personal experiences are being told here. I have
had great experiences with Cisco products but that doesnt mean others
have not. As a buyer of equipment, it is good to hear the good, the
bad, and the ugly so an educated decision can be made on the next
purchase. Thanks guys!
I have about 80 Cisco 2900 and 3500 switches servicing our fiber ring.
Most of them are 5+ years old and were purchased used on ebay for $400,
and some are older. Some of these have "uptimes" of over 4 years right
now. :)
Cisco hardware just works. It's expensive, and the software can be
Travis Johnson wrote:
I have about 80 Cisco 2900 and 3500 switches servicing our fiber ring.
Most of them are 5+ years old and were purchased used on ebay for $400,
and some are older. Some of these have uptimes of over 4 years right
now. :)
Cisco hardware just works. It's expensive, and
I agree - I have heard and seen a lot of Cisco equipment last many
years, others only a few months. Both ends had expensive options (in
the thousands).
On 6/4/09, Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com wrote:
Travis Johnson wrote:
I have about 80 Cisco 2900 and 3500 switches servicing our fiber ring.
I have a 7204VXR router as my core. I am looking at upgrading from a
100mb ethernet to a gigE. I am having a really hard time find out how I
can add gigabit ethernet (via RJ-45 connectors) to this router. I have
two spare slots of expansion cards but I cannot find a card that does
gig. Can
Which NPE are you using?
Randy
Matt Jenkins wrote:
I have a 7204VXR router as my core. I am looking at upgrading from a
100mb ethernet to a gigE. I am having a really hard time find out how I
can add gigabit ethernet (via RJ-45 connectors) to this router. I have
two spare slots of
NPE400
Randy Cosby wrote:
Which NPE are you using?
Randy
Matt Jenkins wrote:
I have a 7204VXR router as my core. I am looking at upgrading from a
100mb ethernet to a gigE. I am having a really hard time find out how I
can add gigabit ethernet (via RJ-45 connectors) to this router. I
Even if I go to a NPE-G1 or G2 I still need a total of 5 ports.
1 for inbound connection.
2 for outbound to radios that serve different towers
1 for local network of servers etc.
1 for colo customer.
How do I add those other two ports?
Randy Cosby wrote:
Which NPE are you using?
Randy
I've found Cisco ports are more expensive than a Mikrotik distribution
router. We currently have a Cisco handling BGP and upstream connections,
then we distribute it using a switch to multiple Mikrotik boxes that
distribute and route(OSPF) to our various backhauls. I'd cringe to think
what it
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?
Even if I go to a NPE-G1 or G2 I still need a total of 5 ports.
1 for inbound connection.
2 for outbound to radios that serve different towers
1 for local network of servers etc.
1 for colo customer.
How do I add those
I'm checking with our NE here for recommendations.
We've had great luck / price per port on the cisco 6500 series switches
if you can have the 740x do routing.
Kevin Neal wrote:
I've found Cisco ports are more expensive than a Mikrotik distribution
router. We currently have a Cisco
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?
Even if I go to a NPE-G1 or G2 I still need a total of 5 ports.
1 for inbound connection.
2 for outbound to radios that serve different towers
1 for local network of servers etc.
1 for colo customer.
How do I add those other two
Corp.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Jenkins
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards
There is only one PA that can support GigE, which is the PA-GE.
Unfortunately, the slot can't support the full capacity of the
interface. Depending on what engine you have you will not likely
exceed 200Mbps with that interface. The only way to really handle GigE
with a 7200 is to get at
A lot less than you would think. We run Cisco for our entire network.
Costs have come way down on new equipment and there is a ton of used
equipment for pennies on dollar.
-Matt
On Jun 3, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Kevin Neal wrote:
I've found Cisco ports are more expensive than a Mikrotik
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Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?
I have a 7204VXR router as my core. I am looking at upgrading from a 100mb
ethernet to a gigE. I am having a really hard time find out how I can add
gigabit ethernet (via RJ-45 connectors) to this router. I have two spare
Matt Liotta wrote:
A lot less than you would think. We run Cisco for our entire network.
Costs have come way down on new equipment and there is a ton of used
equipment for pennies on dollar.
Did Cisco ever come to their senses on IOS licensing? Used to be, the
software on a Cisco router
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?
On Jun 3, 2009, at 3:49 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
Did Cisco ever come to their senses on IOS licensing? Used
Matt Liotta wrote:
Did Cisco ever come to their senses on IOS licensing?
That is FUD from competing vendors.
http://www.infoworld.com/t/hardware/hidden-cost-hardware-729
This is six years old - but that's kinda my point. At least in the past,
Cisco was insistent on relicensing IOS fees,
7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?
On Jun 3, 2009, at 3:49 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
Did Cisco ever come to their senses on IOS licensing? Used to be, the
software on a Cisco router was licensed to an entity separate from
the
purchase of the hardware. Thus, if you bought a router used, its
From your own article reference...
Legal experts have varied opinions on the enforceability of some
transfer restrictions, but they agree on one point: If anyone is to be
found guilty of violating the software license, it would be the
original purchaser who resold the equipment. The first
: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?
That was worthless... don't take your word, take some some blogger's word.
-Matt
On Jun 3, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote:
It's not FUD Matt. It's real. I have a pricelist from
: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?
From your own article reference...
Legal experts have varied opinions on the enforceability of some transfer
restrictions, but they agree on one point: If anyone is to be found guilty
of violating the software license, it would be the original purchaser who
resold
On Jun 3, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote:
Matt,
That was just the first article I found. There are plenty of
others. When
this first came out, I was on the ISP-Equipment List and it was a huge
subject of conversation. Many of the resellers of used Cisco gear
put a
note on
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?
On Jun 3, 2009, at 3:49 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
Did Cisco ever come to their senses on IOS licensing? Used to be,
the
software on a Cisco router was licensed to an entity separate from
the
purchase of the hardware. Thus, if you
On Jun 3, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote:
Also, your opinion on this subject seems to have changed. This is
from your
post on 3-18-2008. The first part is David Smith's question to you:
How so? The IOS software issue continues to be complicated, which was
my original point.
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?
On Jun 3, 2009, at 3:49 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
Did Cisco ever come to their senses on IOS licensing? Used
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?
On Jun 3, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote:
Matt,
That was just the first article I found. There are plenty of
others. When
this first came out, I was on the ISP-Equipment List and it was a huge
subject of conversation
, June 03, 2009 5:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?
On Jun 3, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote:
Also, your opinion on this subject seems to have changed. This is
from your post on 3-18-2008. The first part is David Smith's question
/cisco_software_transfer_relicensing_policy.h
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Jeff
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards
Matt Liotta wrote:
[ more stuff about Cisco IOS licensing ]
Apologies for the wall of legalese.
From the Cisco EULA at :
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/general/warranty/English/EU1KEN_.html
Customer shall have no right, and Customer specifically agrees not to:
transfer, assign or sublicense
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?
Matt Liotta wrote:
[ more stuff about Cisco IOS licensing
Jesse Preiner wrote:
We buy and sell used Cisco routers and switches on a daily basis. It is
totally legal and hundreds of companies do what we do and thousands of
companies (including large multi-nationals) buy and use used Cisco gear.
Then how do you reconcile all this documentation from
and a secondary market would not
exist.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?
Jesse Preiner wrote:
We
Matt Liotta wrote:
On Jun 3, 2009, at 3:49 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
Did Cisco ever come to their senses on IOS licensing? Used to be, the
software on a Cisco router was licensed to an entity separate from the
purchase of the hardware. Thus, if you bought a router used, its
I have a Cisco pricelist with the relicense fees.
I am sure you do. The question is who is subject to them and in what
case do they apply. I doubt you will provide answers.
Wow. What's your problem?
You treat customers like that as well?
Stop digging the hole you're in man.
Matt Liotta wrote:
That is a policy statement. It is not legal fact.
-Matt
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: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?
Matt Liotta wrote:
[ more stuff about Cisco IOS licensing ]
Apologies for the wall of legalese.
From the Cisco EULA at :
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/general/warranty/English
2009 16:38:58
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?
Matt Liotta wrote:
[ more stuff about Cisco IOS licensing ]
Apologies for the wall of legalese.
From the Cisco EULA at :
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/general/warranty/English
Charles Wyble wrote:
Uh. No. It's not. It's been stated to me by Cisco personnel.
To everyone who believes what Cisco has told them, I have some land to
sell you in Florida!
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Matt Liotta wrote:
That is FUD from competing vendors.
Or possibly it's FUD from Cisco (my favorite kind of FUD, next to FUD
from Microsoft, Red Hat, SCO, and IBM).
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Charles Wyble wrote:
That is FUD from competing vendors.
Uh. No. It's not. It's been stated to me by Cisco personnel.
I've understood the same, Charles.
Cisco people have told me (something like), You gotta buy new software
and/or SmartNET for that used gear you just got used or donated.
I
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