In case people weren't aware...2 somewhat exciting things in the world
of Part 101
1. 2' dishes are legal in 11 GHz
2. FCC dropped licensing fees (now costs about $2500 to license a link
vs. $3500 a month ago)
Additional things that would be helpful (just my personal opinion)
1. Relax the
On 10/15/07, Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Additional things that would be helpful (just my personal opinion)
1. Relax the interference resistance requirement for Part 101 (systems
today don't need the 90 dB SNR that analogue systems from the 80s
required...)
2. Decrease the license
10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Brad,
The simple answer (IMHO) is for anyone who wishes to comment to do so
as an individual.
jack
Brad Belton wrote:
... I am sure we could setup a committee to work on 11 GHz dish size
issues
Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Marlon,
Just for info... see inline...
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
All due respect right back at ya! grin
Anyhow
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Tom,
Now I wish I had read this post of yours first - before I responded to an
earlier post that you made. I guess I should learn to always read later
posts before
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Brad,
I think you may be misquoting or misunderstanding me. No good can
come from that. Real questions need to be asked and need to be
correctly answered before we risk our reputation by filing comments
with the FCC
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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 12:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
The truth is we need qualified RF engineers to speak up if they are
here. It is my limited RF
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 12:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
The truth is we need qualified RF engineers to speak up if they are
here
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Brad,
Do you care to address my comments about F/D ratios and beam width? I
think that is more pertinent in mitigating interference than dish size.
If there is one qualified RF engineer in this group who can post a
single
: Friday, March 30, 2007 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Brad,
The simple answer (IMHO) is for anyone who wishes to comment to do so as
an individual.
jack
Brad Belton wrote:
... I am sure we could setup a committee to work
: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Hi Bob,
Short is relative to rain zone
In your world, where rain isn't that much of a problem -- it's nice to
have 18 GHz to go 8+ miles on a 2' dish
However, go to East TX or LA, and in those
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Marlon,
Just for info... see inline...
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
All due respect right back at ya! grin
Anyhow, to think that manufacturers all have our best interests at heart
is a bit naive I think. What's better for them
-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
And exactly HOW do you suppose that a very low power link will somehow screw
up
General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Anything related to 11Ghz, should be WISPs concern. It is my belief that
all serious unlicensed ISPs will at some point start to migrate to Licensed
spectrums for backhauls. 11Ghz is one of the few upgrade options
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Brad,
Jack and I did not say this is something WISPA should ignore
have
expected from you in the first place.
Best,
Brad
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Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Brad
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Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
And exactly HOW do you suppose that a very low power link will somehow screw
up the band?
Using
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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Dylan,
It would be good to know the minimum required dish size now and the
changes that FiberTower is proposing before deciding what to do
: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
All due respect right back at ya! grin
Anyhow, to think that manufacturers all have our best interests at heart is
a bit naive I think. What's better for them? A 4' dish
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Brad,
I think you may be misquoting or misunderstanding me. No good can come
from that. Real questions need to be asked and need to be correctly
answered before we risk our reputation by filing comments with the FCC
The FCC already permits two classes of licensed antennas in Part 101.115:
Standard A and Standard B. Antennas meeting performance standard A must be
used except in areas not subject to frequency congestion (however that is
defined). If Standard B antennas are used, the operator must replace them
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From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Marlon,
Just for info... see inline...
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
All
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From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 6:08 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
I don't think you would select 11GHz
, 2007 11:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
I TOTALLY disagree with that.
On two fronts.
First, what's wrong with a short licensed link? If that's what I want to
use that's up to me. Maybe I want to put a link that requires 100
. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
All due respect right back at ya! grin
Anyhow, to think that manufacturers all have our best interests at heart is
a bit naive I think. What's better for them
General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Anything related to 11Ghz, should be WISPs concern. It is my belief that
all serious unlicensed ISPs will at some point start to migrate to
Licensed
spectrums for backhauls. 11Ghz is one of the few upgrade options
27, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Marlon,
11GHz is intended for medium to long range links. That is why they require
a relatively larger antenna to keep the beam narrow to increase the freq
reuse ability. 6GHz requires a 6' minimum antenna
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Anything related to 11Ghz, should be WISPs concern. It is my belief that
all serious unlicensed ISPs will at some point start
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Dylan,
It would be good to know the minimum required dish size now and the
changes that FiberTower is proposing before deciding what to do or say.
I'm not sure this dish
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Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Marlon,
With all due respect... We need solid engineering arguements if we're
going to present an official WISPA position to the FCC. If we submit
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Anything related to 11Ghz, should be WISPs concern. It is my belief that
all serious unlicensed ISPs will at some point start to migrate to Licensed
spectrums for backhauls. 11Ghz is one of the few upgrade options available
I think we should support that effort. On the condition that any devices
that it applies to use automatic transmit power control (ATP).
Thoughts?
marlon
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From: Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007
On 3/24/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think we should support that effort. On the condition that any devices
that it applies to use automatic transmit power control (ATP).
Thoughts?
Can you explain why you want to see ATPC in 11 GHz links with 4' dishes?
--
Dylan
Dylan,
It would be good to know the minimum required dish size now and the
changes that FiberTower is proposing before deciding what to do or say.
I'm not sure this dish-size issue would impact any WISPs so we may want
to ask ourselves if there are more important issues that we need to be
The statements by Adelstein (*http://tinyurl.com/2jyhdg) *and McDowell (*
http://tinyurl.com/2jg3sx) *make it clear that FiberTower's petition is to
allow 2' dishes. I'm unclear on minimum dish size, having heard 4' from
this list, including a post by Charles Wu. But I just found a 2005 press
Not familiar with 11 GHz, but what speeds and distances are available
with 11 GHz and is the license leasable in different areas?
Dylan Oliver wrote:
The statements by Adelstein (*http://tinyurl.com/2jyhdg) *and McDowell (*
http://tinyurl.com/2jg3sx) *make it clear that FiberTower's petition
Thank you Jack. You said it better than I could have.
:-)
Scriv
Jack Unger wrote:
Dylan,
It would be good to know the minimum required dish size now and the
changes that FiberTower is proposing before deciding what to do or say.
I'm not sure this dish-size issue would impact any WISPs so
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 2:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Not familiar with 11 GHz, but what speeds and distances are available
General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
On 3/24/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think we should support that effort. On the condition that any devices
that it applies to use
General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Dylan,
It would be good to know the minimum required dish size now and the
changes that FiberTower is proposing before deciding what to do or say.
I'm
-
From: Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
On 3/24/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think we should support that effort
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
It was not just for freq reuse. It was also to encourage the use of
higher freq
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