Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-08 Thread Gary Garrett
Yes, we use DC ground antennas. I am going to move the ground wire from the XR2 to the case instead of the Board standoff screw. Someone said the RB411 has a weird ground arrangement and that may be part of it. I have not been grounding the case either. Sounds like I need to act like the satellite

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-07 Thread Gary Garrett
Seems to me it is ethernet cable picking up EMP. I seem to lose a lot of Netgear routers lately. Seems to go right through the POE and gets the WAN port. Also Transmit side of XR2's. Always see receive side degrading after mid path lightning strikes even a mile away. Trango ethernet survives.

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-07 Thread David Hulsebus
ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 2:34 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-07 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE
* Gary Garrett wrote, On 8/7/2009 2:34 PM: Seems to me it is ethernet cable picking up EMP. I seem to lose a lot of Netgear routers lately. Seems to go right through the POE and gets the WAN port. Also Transmit side of XR2's. Always see receive side degrading after mid path lightning strikes

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-06 Thread RickG
Every RF guy I know ways the lightning dissipators work. These are nice: http://www.lawrencebehr.net/international/lightmas.php -RickG On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Nextel spends tens or hundreds of thousands per device. Our stuff is cheaper

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-06 Thread David Hulsebus
Don't feel too left Chuck out we lost a tower site in the same storm. Second time in seven years a total loss. Both times we've lost our gear it has come via the electrical side. Our tower gets hit by a strike or two almost every storm and we never have issues. This time it literaly blew the

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-06 Thread ccrum
Since it sounds like this came in on the AC, how about a surge protector on incoming AC line? We've had sites where the power company's grounding is so bad we've lost power supply surge protectors in just about every storm that comes through the area...until we put surge protection at the breaker

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-06 Thread David Hulsebus
I looked at a Transtector unit a few weeks ago. It's an isolation transformer that sits outdoors between the entrance panel and our internal electrical system. It was roughly $1K for the unit. Kind of wish I would have bought it now. We are the end of the line on the power grid and have 1-3

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-06 Thread os10rules
An isolation transformer without any protection probably wouldn't offer much as the higher frequency components of the transient would probably pass the transformer through capacitive coupling between the windings. I'm sure the Transtector has some type of protection/ clamping. That price

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-06 Thread Marco Coelho
I did a lot of lightning protection for composite aircraft. After initial losses on my towers, here's our basic system: 1. All ethernet cables inside or out must be shielded. Ethernet is a high impedance signal that lightning can couple into easily. We also prefer gel filled cables for

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-06 Thread Scottie Arnett
Whats the majority think the equipment damage from lightning comes from...electric surge or coupling on the Ethernet? Will running on battery or solar lessen your chances of equipment damage that much more that it is worth the cost? I am in the same boat as these guys and have one location hit

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-06 Thread Josh Luthman
Every time I've had lightning damage my UPS is uneffected. APC and no-name brands. On 8/6/09, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Whats the majority think the equipment damage from lightning comes from...electric surge or coupling on the Ethernet? Will running on battery or solar lessen

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-06 Thread Bob Knight
We have four solar locations, two of which have operated for over five years without any lightning damage. At least one of them is in a location and with a mast that I'd consider to be a prime target. The one that really nailed us was a nearby building strike - it destroyed an antenna and the

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-06 Thread Eje Gustafsson
equipment gets fried. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes Whats the majority think the equipment

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-06 Thread Scottie Arnett
Where are you located? 4.a Water towers (metal) are usually very well bonded. They make good ground interconnects since they are welded. This is an almost exact case of my problem location. It is on top of a 66' water tower that is on a very high elevation for our area. Not the highest spot,

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-06 Thread Scott Piehn
Scott Piehn - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes Whats the majority think the equipment damage from lightning comes from

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-05 Thread Josh Luthman
On the Motorola list someone said that by using shielded connectors/cable and soldering the drain wire on both ends they haven't lost anything to lightning in Colorado OR Costa Rica (per him via NOAA the two of three worst areas for lightning in North America). Might just want to pull up that

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-05 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Nextel spends tens or hundreds of thousands per device. Our stuff is cheaper than cheap. Get off of the TOP of the tower. Polyphaser has a great lightning white paper. If you can be 10' below the top you'll be much more protected. Also, I've had good luck lately with ferrite beads. And

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-05 Thread jp
We've added a 2/0 (I think) insulated copper wire from the tower top rod to the grounding at the bottom. This has helped a great deal at the two towers we've done it at. The current will go mostly through this instead of mostly on the tower framework (or your shielding). It was about $3/foot,

Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-05 Thread Scott Reed
We did something similar on a tower where we had a PacWireless SO24-xx antenna at the top. Ran a piece of 10AWG up so it stuck up about 1 foot above the antenna. Never took a lightning hit. Can't say so much for the wind, though. Blew the cover off one day. jp wrote: We've added a 2/0 (I