Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Tom: To me, sell @ Radio Shack = consumer = unique connector, sell @ Tessco = professional = standard connector. YMMV It IS a hard thing to enforce. It was written assuming good intent by the manufacturers. It's been the case that some manufacturers have had to change from standard connectors to unique connectors, and some "unique" connectors became not unique enough for the FCC's taste. I was told once what the distinction was that the FCC uses between unique and standard RF connectors... but I was asked not to make it public. It's amusing, and simple. Thanks, Steve On Jan 26, 2006, at 14:09, Tom DeReggi wrote: Thanks. I was not aware of that. Does that mean that once a manufacturer installs a N connector on their gear, it no longer is allowed to be sold at Radio Shack or Walmart. Does that Mean WiMaxwill never be allowed to be sold at Walmart legally? Does this mean that oncethey add an N connector they are no longer allowed to sell it to a municipality (an end user) unless they sell it through a reseller/consultant that will provide the work? Who is to define who is the general publicversus skilled engineer? And is thisdetermined by the purchaser or the distributor? If sold through Tessco a company specializing in dealing with RF specialists, can the end user buy it from them, if the sales rep decides to sell to a home person? Does it mean it can't be distributed through Radio Shack if they have a policy to check that the buyer is a professional installer? Linksys sells both to consumers and RF specialists. If one product is labeled as"consumer line" or labeled "professional series", even if its the exact same product, does it define its right to use N connector? I think there are simple ways to answer those questions, when everyone is working in good faith. But if it ever came push to shove, it would be a hard thing to enforce. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband --- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas
But then there is Windload. I might get away with it using small sector or panel antennas. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "G.Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:05 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas Use 2 Pac Wireless single pol. 3footers ? $500 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas I actually got clarification on the Pacwireless solutions yesterday. 2 ft feeds do not work for 3 ft dishes, different lengths. The PacWireless is a dual pol feed on a 3 ft dish, but only has the gain of less than a 2 ft dish. The purpose of upgrading from a two foot to three foot was to increase gain not decrease it. So PacWirelesslesses Dual Pol dish today, is a useless product. I was told, its in engineering now for a redesign. Gabrial 2ft dual pol- 28.9 dbi ($350) - best value to day. Radiowaves or Andrews 3ft dual pol- 32 dbi ($1024) - desperate to get 3 more db. Gabriel 4 ft Dual Pol -34.5 db ($1000.) Pacwireless 2ft single pol - 29 dbi ($180) Pacwireless 3 ft single pol- 32 dbi ($250) - Very cost effective Option, if you can live with Single Pol. Pacwireless Dual Pol (3 ft)- 27 dbi. ($450) - worthless. There is a clear gap in our options for 3 ft dual pol, and good value. Four feet dishes are a big pain, won't fit through some hallways and most roof hatches. And the windload is atrocious, when trying to mount it. Three feet dishes are MUCH easier to work with, half the windloading, are safe to install on existing wall mounted masts of slightly smaller diameter (2.5") left from Teligent and simliar companies. But yet maximizes the available DB able to get from an antenna for a link. I'd really like to see a 3 ft Dual pol option under $600, at some point. What really is Dish antenna anyway? More or less just a large trash can lid! How much can it really cost? Its not that difficult. I'd like to see PacWireless finish the job, and redesign that feed to get the 32 dbi that it should be able to get. Or Gabriel to fill in the hole. What I'd really like to see is Maxrad make a Dual pol version of their 3 ft dish. There 3 foot single pol dish was the best we have ever tested from a gain point of view, really sweat. It out performed all the 4 fts from competitors. Its around $450 but its only single pol now :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "G.Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:00 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas Pac wireless has a 2ft dual pol, and a 3ft single pol, maybe the 2ft Feedhorn fits the 3 footer?! Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas The street price I have found on 3 ft Dual pol 5.2-58Ghz parabolic antennas have been around $1045 for Andrews, and $1025 for Radiowaves. Any vendors on list in a possition to do better than that? If so, contact me off list. I find it odd, that there is such a large gap between 2 feet and 3 feet. 2 feet Dual pol gabriels are runing around $350. It would be nice if someone came up with something half way in between for 3 ft dual pol. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas
Dustin, Your point is well taken, and I agree not all complete packages are created equal. However, 2 points 1) I never had a Pac Wireless dish move on me yet. So there is nothing wrong with being cheaper and cheesier, if its good enough for the job. 2) Product is cheap to manufacturer in quantity. man hours (labor)on the other hand isn't, expecially mine. No matter how much volume I do, my labor doesn;t get cheaper, I'd argue that my labor rate goes up the more work I have, because its in finite supply, unlike product that has an infinite supply. My point is, my job is to put money in my pocket, or pass the savings on to my subscribers, not to put money in the pocket of a manufacturer that over engineers. Its like the restaurants that attract people by givingthem these huge platefulls of food, that rarely can ever be eaten in full, and half of goes in the trash can. I'd rather save a dollar, than pay for waste. We need cost effective alternatives for product. The most cost effective vendors will sell more product. Its the nature of the world we live in. There's no room for fat, in todays competitive world. However, with that said, I am one to pay for quality, when there is in fact additional value delivered worth paying for, apposed to the fabrocation that quality is added based on name brand recognition. For example, my experience with Radiowaves has been nothing but the best from a customer service point of view, and may be worth paying more for, for some people. However for me, their antennas have shown to under perform, and not worth the higher cost on service alone. I'll be buying a few Andrew's 3 ft dishes soon, but its not because of quality, its because I found a distributor that will give me a good price, compared to the alternatives. On a side note, Andrews does spec, about 2 db higher in gain that competitors on the 3 ft Dual Pol antenna. Dustin, Have you confirmed wether the Andrews 3 ft dishes really deliver the 2 db extra gain (34 db)? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas When you compare the Andrew and Gabriel mounts there is no doubt the Andrew mount is more substantial, but it also appears to be over engineered for a relatively small dish. We prefer the Gabriel mounts over the Andrew since they are lighter and easier to work with, but not too light like Pacwireless. The Andrew and Gabriel mounts also have superior fine adjustment capabilities compared to Pacwireless. -Matt dustin jurman wrote: Tom, You cannot forget that there are big differences in quality, it's not just the dish but the mount as well. As we utilize almost everything that you list here with the exception of PAC Wireless there is a huge difference in quality between Andrew and Gabriel quick fires. While the Gabriel might be the best value, it has the Chester cheese doodle mount when compared to that of an Andrew. Dustin Jurman President Rapid Systems Corporation 1211 N. Westshore Blvd Tampa, FL 33607 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 813-232-4887 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas I actually got clarification on the Pacwireless solutions yesterday. 2 ft feeds do not work for 3 ft dishes, different lengths. The PacWireless is a dual pol feed on a 3 ft dish, but only has the gain of less than a 2 ft dish. The purpose of upgrading from a two foot to three foot was to increase gain not decrease it. So PacWirelesslesses Dual Pol dish today, is a useless product. I was told, its in engineering now for a redesign. Gabrial 2ft dual pol- 28.9 dbi ($350) - best value to day. Radiowaves or Andrews 3ft dual pol- 32 dbi ($1024) - desperate to get 3 more db. Gabriel 4 ft Dual Pol -34.5 db ($1000.) Pacwireless 2ft single pol - 29 dbi ($180) Pacwireless 3 ft single pol- 32 dbi ($250) - Very cost effective Option, if you can live with Single Pol. Pacwireless Dual Pol (3 ft)- 27 dbi. ($450) - worthless. There is a clear gap in our options for 3 ft dual pol, and good value. Four feet dishes are a big pain, won't fit through some hallways and most roof hatches. And the windload is atrocious, when trying to mount it. Three feet dishes are MUCH easier to work with, half the windloading, are safe to install on existing wall mounted masts of slightly smaller diameter (2.5") left from Teligent and simliar companies. But yet maximizes the available DB able to get from an antenna for a link. I'd really like to see a 3 ft Dual pol option under $600, at some point. What really is Dish antenna anyway? More or less just a large trash can lid! How much can it really cost? Its not that diff
RE: [WISPA] 900b mhz omni
How long is the cable you are running, what size? Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry at Mutual Data Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900b mhz omni Hello ccooper, Why go higher then 9db? The pattern will shrink to paper thin figuratively speaking. We have wy better luck with 9db or less at 900mhz. Barry Wednesday, January 25, 2006, 10:04:54 PM, you wrote: cic> Anybody know where i can find an H-pol 900 mhz omni w/ higer gain than 9Db? cic> thanks, cic> chris -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 267.14.18 - Release Date: 1/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wisp-router fails again
Brian, You have other choices. DoubleRadius is stocking Mikrotik now, and they have good customer service policies, significant stock, and fair prices. WISP-router, has always done right by me, but you have a choice, if they don't do right by you. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization" ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:22 PM Subject: [WISPA] wisp-router fails again After hearing all the good posts about them I thought I must have done something wrong. I called back to give them one more chance to talk with me about this. This is how it went down. Keep in mind I was very polite. I only called to request info about their policies. I thought if the policy was somewhere I signed, or should have read or somethingthere may be something legitimate to what Beverly claims. Because if I had access to the policy from the phone order, packing slip or invoiceI can't really say much because I should have read it. If that was the case I could only complain about the crappy policy. So far, my digging has yielded no such policy. Ok, so I just called. Beverly answers the phone. I say hey this is Brian, I talked to you earlier. I am looking online at your site trying to find information on your seven day policy you referenced. She says it is on bottom of packing slip. I say "I am holding the invoice and packing slip and it is not there". I say, "So you don't have it posted anywhere"? She says "It's been too long and there is NO WAY I can do anything about this, goodbye" And hangs up on me. Seriously, who hangs up on customers calling to request a policy? This was the perfect chance to prove to me where the policy was in text and why I should have read. Getting hung up on pretty much tells me no such policy existed for my order. You know what I just noticed. At the bottom of the invoice it says, "ALL goods returned for credit, replacement or repair require" That is the last line. maybe there is more info after that. Can someone look at their invoice and see if there is more wording after that? I'd like to know if the 7 day policy if just cut off my invoice (faulty printer maybe) or if Beverly is making this up. -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF tax changes?
WISPA surely ought to have an opinion. "to few people paying into it." The only parties I'm aware of not paying into it is Wireless providers and VOIP providers. The only parties allowedto take advantage of USF funds are ILECS. Clearly a bill submitted for the ILECs. I haven't read the bill yet, but the review quotes had ILEC stink all over it. What we need is to change USF funds, so 50% minimum reallocated to thrid party local wireless providers. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] USF tax changes? Does WISPA have a stand on this? http://techrepublic.com.com/2100-1035-5959140.html?tag=nl.e550 As one who has built my network without any public money, I have no interest in collecting special taxes. I have more than enough paperwork now... I also don't want my competitors to get government money to build their networks. But locally, I have found out that they are getting government grants to expand into my area. Having seen their install rates, monthly fees and tower provisioning costs, they would not be making any money if they did not have the government footing the bill. -- Blair Davis West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900b mhz omni
I agree with Barry. If you are looking to get better gain, don't look for higher gain, look for higher quality antenna, that offers electronic downtilt or null fill. It takes the energy focused upward that gets wasted, and focuses it more downward. Be prepared to pay though. I'm not aware of one in Horizontal Pol. The only two 900Mhz horizontal pol omni makers I know of are, MTI and PacWireless. But I'm sure they exist. I know Antel made some downtilt version of Verticle pol. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Barry at Mutual Data" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900b mhz omni Hello ccooper, Why go higher then 9db? The pattern will shrink to paper thin figuratively speaking. We have wy better luck with 9db or less at 900mhz. Barry Wednesday, January 25, 2006, 10:04:54 PM, you wrote: cic> Anybody know where i can find an H-pol 900 mhz omni w/ higer gain than 9Db? cic> thanks, cic> chris -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Thanks. I was not aware of that. Does that mean that once a manufacturer installs a N connector on their gear, it no longer is allowed to be sold at Radio Shack or Walmart. Does that Mean WiMaxwill never be allowed to be sold at Walmart legally? Does this mean that oncethey add an N connector they are no longer allowed to sell it to a municipality (an end user) unless they sell it through a reseller/consultant that will provide the work? Who is to define who is the general publicversus skilled engineer? And is thisdetermined by the purchaser or the distributor? If sold through Tessco a company specializing in dealing with RF specialists, can the end user buy it from them, if the sales rep decides to sell to a home person? Does it mean it can't be distributed through Radio Shack if they have a policy to check that the buyer is a professional installer? Linksys sells both to consumers and RF specialists. If one product is labeled as"consumer line" or labeled "professional series", even if its the exact same product, does it define its right to use N connector? I think there are simple ways to answer those questions, when everyone is working in good faith. But if it ever came push to shove, it would be a hard thing to enforce. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Steve Stroh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Tom: The "unique connector" isn't required IF the equipment is intended for, marketed, and distributed to be installed by "professional installers" (who can be reasonably assumed to be able to do the math and not use an antenna which results in violation of Part-15 EIRP limits.) "Unique connector" requirement was intended for consumer gear like Wi-Fi APs, wireless video cameras, etc. sold through the mass market. Completely ironic and ineffective; laughable even when you consider that you can get high-gain antennas for the Linksys AP "unique connectors" at Radio Shack. I strongly prefer a good old reliable, sturdy easy-to-weatherproof Type N connector on outdoor gear. Thanks, Steve On Jan 18, 2006, at 17:19, Tom DeReggi wrote: Required for FCC reuirement of unique connector rule. PErsonally Ip refer them to stay as is with the connectors. That way they all stay the same and one cable to stock. Tom DeReggi --- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
hear hear Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Steve Stroh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Tom: The "unique connector" isn't required IF the equipment is intended for, marketed, and distributed to be installed by "professional installers" (who can be reasonably assumed to be able to do the math and not use an antenna which results in violation of Part-15 EIRP limits.) "Unique connector" requirement was intended for consumer gear like Wi-Fi APs, wireless video cameras, etc. sold through the mass market. Completely ironic and ineffective; laughable even when you consider that you can get high-gain antennas for the Linksys AP "unique connectors" at Radio Shack. I strongly prefer a good old reliable, sturdy easy-to-weatherproof Type N connector on outdoor gear. Thanks, Steve On Jan 18, 2006, at 17:19, Tom DeReggi wrote: Required for FCC reuirement of unique connector rule. PErsonally Ip refer them to stay as is with the connectors. That way they all stay the same and one cable to stock. Tom DeReggi --- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Collisions in RF
I tried it on Moto once and the plastic enclosure turned a puke green color. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF Anyone hear any rumors of future support of this from Trango or Moto??? How about a volume purchase agreement from WISPA? And if you spray it vertically or horizontally does it make a difference? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Collisions in RF I would do but it only seems to be approved for 802.11b and we’re using 11a. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: 27 January 2006 19:47 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Collisions in RF I just ordered a case this morning. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF *Disclaimers WiFi Speed Spray™ is safe and effective when used as directed. However, the product is known to the State of California to cause cancer; developmental toxicity; and/or male pattern baldness. For outdoor use only. Do not use near electrical appliances. WiFi Speed Spray™ should not be used in the presence of pregnant women, women who have been pregnant, or women who may some day become pregnant. Keep away from children and household pets (especially birds). Do not take internally. If a persistent cough or partial paralysis develops, consult a physician, Made in Malaysia, by Malaysians. Not intended for use by Malaysians. Charles Wu wrote: That's why many, on a quarterly basis, liberally apply their "WiFiLubrication" -- keeps things well oiled and humminghttp://j-walk.com/other/wifispray/ -Charles ---WiNOG Austin, TXMarch 13-15, 2006http://www.winog.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Mac DearmanSent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:09 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF Generally speaking the collisions occur at the antenna itself - on the RF receive side Mac DearmanMaximum Access, LLC.Authorized Barracuda ResellerMikroTik RouterOS Certifiedwww.inetsouth.comwww.mac-tel.usRayville, La.318.728.8600 318.303.4227318.303.4229 Paul Hendry wrote: Hi all, As standard 802.11 is a half-duplex technology, does anyone know exactly where collisions occur? I.e. is it in the air between antennas, on the feeder inside the antenna, on the jumper/pigtail between the antenna and the radio, on the radio card itself, or all of the above? Cheers, P. -- Brian RohrbacherReliable Internet, LLCwww.reliableinter.netCell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/240 - Release Date: 25/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/240 - Release Date: 25/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF
Anyone hear any rumors of future support of this from Trango or Moto??? How about a volume purchase agreement from WISPA? And if you spray it vertically or horizontally does it make a difference? Mark NashNetwork EngineerUnwiredOnline.Net350 Holly StreetJunction City, OR 97448http://www.uwol.net541-998-541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Collisions in RF I would do but it only seems to be approved for 802.11b and we’re using 11a. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt FankhauserSent: 27 January 2006 19:47To: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Collisions in RF I just ordered a case this morning. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian RohrbacherSent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:33 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF *Disclaimers WiFi Speed Spray™ is safe and effective when used as directed. However, the product is known to the State of California to cause cancer; developmental toxicity; and/or male pattern baldness. For outdoor use only. Do not use near electrical appliances. WiFi Speed Spray™ should not be used in the presence of pregnant women, women who have been pregnant, or women who may some day become pregnant. Keep away from children and household pets (especially birds). Do not take internally. If a persistent cough or partial paralysis develops, consult a physician, Made in Malaysia, by Malaysians. Not intended for use by Malaysians. Charles Wu wrote: That's why many, on a quarterly basis, liberally apply their "WiFiLubrication" -- keeps things well oiled and humminghttp://j-walk.com/other/wifispray/ -Charles ---WiNOG Austin, TXMarch 13-15, 2006http://www.winog.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Mac DearmanSent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:09 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF Generally speaking the collisions occur at the antenna itself - on the RF receive side Mac DearmanMaximum Access, LLC.Authorized Barracuda ResellerMikroTik RouterOS Certifiedwww.inetsouth.comwww.mac-tel.usRayville, La.318.728.8600 318.303.4227318.303.4229 Paul Hendry wrote: Hi all, As standard 802.11 is a half-duplex technology, does anyone know exactly where collisions occur? I.e. is it in the air between antennas, on the feeder inside the antenna, on the jumper/pigtail between the antenna and the radio, on the radio card itself, or all of the above? Cheers, P. -- Brian RohrbacherReliable Internet, LLCwww.reliableinter.netCell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/240 - Release Date: 25/01/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/240 - Release Date: 25/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Collisions in RF
I would do but it only seems to be approved for 802.11b and we’re using 11a. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: 27 January 2006 19:47 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Collisions in RF I just ordered a case this morning. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF *Disclaimers WiFi Speed Spray™ is safe and effective when used as directed. However, the product is known to the State of California to cause cancer; developmental toxicity; and/or male pattern baldness. For outdoor use only. Do not use near electrical appliances. WiFi Speed Spray™ should not be used in the presence of pregnant women, women who have been pregnant, or women who may some day become pregnant. Keep away from children and household pets (especially birds). Do not take internally. If a persistent cough or partial paralysis develops, consult a physician, Made in Malaysia, by Malaysians. Not intended for use by Malaysians. Charles Wu wrote: That's why many, on a quarterly basis, liberally apply their "WiFiLubrication" -- keeps things well oiled and humminghttp://j-walk.com/other/wifispray/ -Charles ---WiNOG Austin, TXMarch 13-15, 2006http://www.winog.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Mac DearmanSent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:09 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF Generally speaking the collisions occur at the antenna itself - on the RF receive side Mac DearmanMaximum Access, LLC.Authorized Barracuda ResellerMikroTik RouterOS Certifiedwww.inetsouth.comwww.mac-tel.usRayville, La.318.728.8600 318.303.4227318.303.4229 Paul Hendry wrote: Hi all, As standard 802.11 is a half-duplex technology, does anyone know exactly where collisions occur? I.e. is it in the air between antennas, on the feeder inside the antenna, on the jumper/pigtail between the antenna and the radio, on the radio card itself, or all of the above? Cheers, P. -- Brian RohrbacherReliable Internet, LLCwww.reliableinter.netCell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/240 - Release Date: 25/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/240 - Release Date: 25/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Cat5 cable?
Anyone know of an outdoor cat5 cable that also has an extra pair of conductors bundled? Thanks George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Tom: The "unique connector" isn't required IF the equipment is intended for, marketed, and distributed to be installed by "professional installers" (who can be reasonably assumed to be able to do the math and not use an antenna which results in violation of Part-15 EIRP limits.) "Unique connector" requirement was intended for consumer gear like Wi-Fi APs, wireless video cameras, etc. sold through the mass market. Completely ironic and ineffective; laughable even when you consider that you can get high-gain antennas for the Linksys AP "unique connectors" at Radio Shack. I strongly prefer a good old reliable, sturdy easy-to-weatherproof Type N connector on outdoor gear. Thanks, Steve On Jan 18, 2006, at 17:19, Tom DeReggi wrote: Required for FCC reuirement of unique connector rule. PErsonally Ip refer them to stay as is with the connectors. That way they all stay the same and one cable to stock. Tom DeReggi --- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Collisions in RF
I just ordered a case this morning. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF *Disclaimers WiFi Speed Spray™ is safe and effective when used as directed. However, the product is known to the State of California to cause cancer; developmental toxicity; and/or male pattern baldness. For outdoor use only. Do not use near electrical appliances. WiFi Speed Spray™ should not be used in the presence of pregnant women, women who have been pregnant, or women who may some day become pregnant. Keep away from children and household pets (especially birds). Do not take internally. If a persistent cough or partial paralysis develops, consult a physician, Made in Malaysia, by Malaysians. Not intended for use by Malaysians. Charles Wu wrote: That's why many, on a quarterly basis, liberally apply their "WiFiLubrication" -- keeps things well oiled and humminghttp://j-walk.com/other/wifispray/ -Charles ---WiNOG Austin, TXMarch 13-15, 2006http://www.winog.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Mac DearmanSent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:09 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF Generally speaking the collisions occur at the antenna itself - on the RF receive side Mac DearmanMaximum Access, LLC.Authorized Barracuda ResellerMikroTik RouterOS Certifiedwww.inetsouth.comwww.mac-tel.usRayville, La.318.728.8600 318.303.4227318.303.4229 Paul Hendry wrote: Hi all, As standard 802.11 is a half-duplex technology, does anyone know exactly where collisions occur? I.e. is it in the air between antennas, on the feeder inside the antenna, on the jumper/pigtail between the antenna and the radio, on the radio card itself, or all of the above? Cheers, P. -- Brian RohrbacherReliable Internet, LLCwww.reliableinter.netCell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900b mhz omni
Hello ccooper, Why go higher then 9db? The pattern will shrink to paper thin figuratively speaking. We have wy better luck with 9db or less at 900mhz. Barry Wednesday, January 25, 2006, 10:04:54 PM, you wrote: cic> Anybody know where i can find an H-pol 900 mhz omni w/ higer gain than 9Db? cic> thanks, cic> chris -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] testing
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Re: [WISPA] 900b mhz omni
Ye old antenna shop in colorado no joke it is the name of the company, some little old man makes them in his garage, think they are like 15 dbi lokks like an oil can, but they work wellRon Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Try Cool Dish, http://www.thecooldish.com/ they have a MTI 11 dB omni, Pricey, Its like $1350. MTI Is an Isreali Co. weighs like 27#. It looks like the best there is to me. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]>-Original Message->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:04 PM>To: 'WISPA General List'>Subject: [WISPA] 900b mhz omniAnybody know where i can find an H-pol 900 mhz omni w/ higer gain than 9Db?>thanks, >chris>-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe:>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless>>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/> -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail.-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF
*Disclaimers WiFi Speed Spray™ is safe and effective when used as directed. However, the product is known to the State of California to cause cancer; developmental toxicity; and/or male pattern baldness. For outdoor use only. Do not use near electrical appliances. WiFi Speed Spray™ should not be used in the presence of pregnant women, women who have been pregnant, or women who may some day become pregnant. Keep away from children and household pets (especially birds). Do not take internally. If a persistent cough or partial paralysis develops, consult a physician, Made in Malaysia, by Malaysians. Not intended for use by Malaysians. Charles Wu wrote: That's why many, on a quarterly basis, liberally apply their "WiFi Lubrication" -- keeps things well oiled and humming http://j-walk.com/other/wifispray/ -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF Generally speaking the collisions occur at the antenna itself - on the RF receive side Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 Paul Hendry wrote: Hi all, As standard 802.11 is a half-duplex technology, does anyone know exactly where collisions occur? I.e. is it in the air between antennas, on the feeder inside the antenna, on the jumper/pigtail between the antenna and the radio, on the radio card itself, or all of the above? Cheers, P. -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Collisions in RF
That's why many, on a quarterly basis, liberally apply their "WiFi Lubrication" -- keeps things well oiled and humming http://j-walk.com/other/wifispray/ -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF Generally speaking the collisions occur at the antenna itself - on the RF receive side Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 Paul Hendry wrote: >Hi all, > > As standard 802.11 is a half-duplex technology, does anyone know >exactly where collisions occur? I.e. is it in the air between antennas, >on the feeder inside the antenna, on the jumper/pigtail between the >antenna and the radio, on the radio card itself, or all of the above? > >Cheers, > >P. > > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900b mhz omni
Try Cool Dish, http://www.thecooldish.com/ they have a MTI 11 dB omni, Pricey, Its like $1350. MTI Is an Isreali Co. weighs like 27#. It looks like the best there is to me. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]>-Original Message->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:04 PM>To: 'WISPA General List'>Subject: [WISPA] 900b mhz omniAnybody know where i can find an H-pol 900 mhz omni w/ higer gain than 9Db?>thanks, >chris>-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe:>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless>>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/> -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF
Generally speaking the collisions occur at the antenna itself - on the RF receive side Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 Paul Hendry wrote: Hi all, As standard 802.11 is a half-duplex technology, does anyone know exactly where collisions occur? I.e. is it in the air between antennas, on the feeder inside the antenna, on the jumper/pigtail between the antenna and the radio, on the radio card itself, or all of the above? Cheers, P. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Collisions in RF
Hi all, As standard 802.11 is a half-duplex technology, does anyone know exactly where collisions occur? I.e. is it in the air between antennas, on the feeder inside the antenna, on the jumper/pigtail between the antenna and the radio, on the radio card itself, or all of the above? Cheers, P. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/240 - Release Date: 25/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
