RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-14 Thread Paul Hendry
So that's a no then Tom ;)

Using various bandwidth test tools (such as the one builtin to Mikrotik)
from/to multiple source/destinations you can generate all sorts of traffic
profiles. You can decide on the size of the packets, layer 4, direction and
even bandwidth so I'd say it's very possible to set-up a test environment
that isn't too far of real world. Anyone else tested?

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

 Anyone compared a routed solution with
 a Mikrotik bridged solution for delay/jitter?

Good question.  But the problem there is creating a real world test 
environment. Convergence, can be tested  somewhat accurately in low network 
utilization situations. To adequately test Jitter/Delay you really need to 
load the network, as that is when the jitter and sparatic latency happens.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message - 
From: Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] looking for a device


 The delay in switching a packet at hardware is less than the delay in
 routing a packet at software. This is 1 of the reasons that Cisco created
 the GSR and why an MPLS switched network is fast than a plain routed
 network.

 I'm not too interested in convergence times as we only have very minimal
 outages so RSTP should suffice. How fast a packet can traverse our network
 on the other hand is important so that we can reliably run VoIP and other
 delay/jitter sensitive applications. Anyone compared a routed solution 
 with
 a Mikrotik bridged solution for delay/jitter?


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Matt Liotta
 Sent: 13 June 2006 13:26
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

 Paul Hendry wrote:

We too have been looking at moving from routed to a switched Mikrotik for
the core network but the unknown quantity seems to be if there are any
latency or speed issues related to the move. A true switched network is
faster than a routed network as the switching is done at a hardware level
but in Mikrotik I believe both switching and routed is done in software.
What have you seen?



 Faster in what way? Certainly, a routed network is going to beat a
 switched network in terms of covergence speed.

 -Matt
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RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-14 Thread Jeff Broadwick
We have Smartbits test gear...great stuff, but the fact is that you really don't
know how something will perform until you put it on real circuits and connect
it up to real gear.  You can get a very good idea, particularly if you know how
to test, but there is always an element of uncertainty.

Jeff 


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Of Paul Hendry
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

So that's a no then Tom ;)

Using various bandwidth test tools (such as the one builtin to Mikrotik) from/to
multiple source/destinations you can generate all sorts of traffic profiles. You
can decide on the size of the packets, layer 4, direction and even bandwidth so
I'd say it's very possible to set-up a test environment that isn't too far of
real world. Anyone else tested?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: 14 June 2006 03:13
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

 Anyone compared a routed solution with a Mikrotik bridged solution for 
 delay/jitter?

Good question.  But the problem there is creating a real world test environment.
Convergence, can be tested  somewhat accurately in low network utilization
situations. To adequately test Jitter/Delay you really need to load the network,
as that is when the jitter and sparatic latency happens.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message -
From: Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] looking for a device


 The delay in switching a packet at hardware is less than the delay in
 routing a packet at software. This is 1 of the reasons that Cisco created
 the GSR and why an MPLS switched network is fast than a plain routed
 network.

 I'm not too interested in convergence times as we only have very minimal
 outages so RSTP should suffice. How fast a packet can traverse our network
 on the other hand is important so that we can reliably run VoIP and other
 delay/jitter sensitive applications. Anyone compared a routed solution 
 with
 a Mikrotik bridged solution for delay/jitter?


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Matt Liotta
 Sent: 13 June 2006 13:26
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

 Paul Hendry wrote:

We too have been looking at moving from routed to a switched Mikrotik for
the core network but the unknown quantity seems to be if there are any
latency or speed issues related to the move. A true switched network is
faster than a routed network as the switching is done at a hardware level
but in Mikrotik I believe both switching and routed is done in software.
What have you seen?



 Faster in what way? Certainly, a routed network is going to beat a
 switched network in terms of covergence speed.

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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-14 Thread Matt Liotta

Tom DeReggi wrote:

Answer #1: Thats debatable. Do you not recall year 2000. 26 of the 
largest 29 telecom companies filed for Bankruptcy.
Name brand ment bankrupt.  Even for Cisco! Lets not forget who the 
largest investor was in Cogent, now Cisco's owned network.


Back then folks were building companies with different understandings of 
the market than today; name brand gear had nothing to do with it. 
Certainly, plenty of open source companies didn't make it either.


There is some irony here.  I'm happy with Cogent. I put my confidence 
in Cogent a soley Cisco Name Brand equipment network.  Well for my 
backbone that is. Even though I religious have chosen a proprietary 
modification of Open Source on our local transport network. But 
Cogent's bankruptcy was highly due to not being able to afford their 
own Cisco equipment.  So moral of this story... USe Cisco when someone 
else pays for it, so they go bankrupt and not you.


That isn't the moral of the story; its not even a good story. Cogent was 
recently trading at a new 52-week high until they decided to raise 93 
million on a stock offering. I invested in Cogent when they were trading 
in the low $4s and sold around $10. I am quite happy with my return on 
investment. Would I be able to say that about your company? Don't answer 
that.


Investors look for companies that have a real opportunity to gain 
significant market share due to a competitive advantage. However, these 
same investors want to limit their risk by making sure the company in 
question doesn't risk too much. That means if you are going to be 
different than other telecom companies then pick and choose carefully 
what standards you follow and where you innovate.


Answer #2: Because people that can afford name brand have capitol and 
funding. And logically companies that have adequate capitol and 
funding often do better than companies that do not.  The missing peice 
of this puzzle is How well would a company with equivellent 
funding and capitol do if they chose Open Source instead?  I'd argue 
they'd be a stunning success.  The only difference is that they would 
be more likely to invest more in their employees than in their 
equipment vendors.  Possibly encourage migratation to an employee 
owned company, or where the wealth got spread more evenly between the 
participants.


No serious VC would invest in a telecom company that didn't use name 
brand gear for their network. It doesn't make any sense to do so. All in 
all the gear may be the same, but why take the extra risk. When it comes 
right down to it, name brand gear isn't that much more expensive. You 
should be able to make a business using name brand gear just fine.


I think you missed the boat on this topic. Large companies (well 
funded and capitolized) could do well with Open Source, because they 
are more likely to reach the economic proportion (growth) to spread 
the high cost of maintenance and software development between many 
subscibers. The providers that suffer from Open Source sometimes are 
the smaller ISPs. The reason is they under estimate the time involved 
in Open Source, and do not have enough scale (subscribers or revenue) 
to justify the costs of addative development.


Your last statement is the reason to avoid anything that is not your 
core competency. I have decades of software development experience, but 
we pay software vendors for things like CRM, accounting, case 
management, etc. Just because I could spend the time building software 
that would likely be better and cheaper than what we are using doesn't 
mean I should. My time is better spent building our business. Network 
gear, radio gear, software, etc are all just means to an end. We are in 
the business of selling a service; not building products.


-Matt

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[WISPA] Neat Antenna Source - High Gain 5ghz Omnis

2006-06-14 Thread JohnnyO
Title: Neat Antenna Source - High Gain 5ghz Omnis






A BUNCH of us have been asking for higher gain omnis for the 5ghz range. Looks like our wishes have been answered.


http://www.asiarf.com/Product/rfproduc/omniantenna.html Not sure on pricing but may be worth looking into - they've got 15dBi Omnis in all of the 5ghz ranges ! YES ! 

JohnnyO



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[WISPA] Looking for Service - Vider, TX

2006-06-14 Thread Cliff Leboeuf








I have a customer looking for service in Vider, TX.



If you can supply service to that area, please
contact me off-list.



- Cliff






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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-14 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler

Sure switched is faster than routed, if you have a 100 mbps cat5 or 1
gbps fibre network.  If you have a radio based network then routing or
switching will be about the same speed.  Our routed performance is
actually slightly higher than our bridged performance.

Lonnie

On 6/13/06, Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The delay in switching a packet at hardware is less than the delay in
routing a packet at software. This is 1 of the reasons that Cisco created
the GSR and why an MPLS switched network is fast than a plain routed
network.

I'm not too interested in convergence times as we only have very minimal
outages so RSTP should suffice. How fast a packet can traverse our network
on the other hand is important so that we can reliably run VoIP and other
delay/jitter sensitive applications. Anyone compared a routed solution with
a Mikrotik bridged solution for delay/jitter?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: 13 June 2006 13:26
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

Paul Hendry wrote:

We too have been looking at moving from routed to a switched Mikrotik for
the core network but the unknown quantity seems to be if there are any
latency or speed issues related to the move. A true switched network is
faster than a routed network as the switching is done at a hardware level
but in Mikrotik I believe both switching and routed is done in software.
What have you seen?



Faster in what way? Certainly, a routed network is going to beat a
switched network in terms of covergence speed.

-Matt
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RE: [WISPA] Looking for Service - Vider, TX

2006-06-14 Thread JohnnyO
Title: Message



Vidor 
? How large is this monthly account ? If it's worthwhile - I have a tower in 
that area we could slap service up on.
JohnnyO

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Cliff LeboeufSent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:56 
  AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] Looking for 
  Service - Vider, TX
  
  I have a customer looking 
  for service in Vider, 
  TX.
  
  If you can supply service 
  to that area, please contact me off-list.
  
  - 
  Cliff
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RE: [WISPA] Looking for Service - Vider, TX

2006-06-14 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Title: Message








JohnnyO, what part of off-list
do you not understand :)











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006
9:27 AM
To: 'WISPA
 General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking for
Service - Vider, TX







Vidor ? How large is this monthly
account ? If it's worthwhile - I have a tower in that area we could slap
service up on.





JohnnyO





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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Cliff Leboeuf
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8:56 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Looking for
Service - Vider, TX

I have a customer looking for service in Vider, TX.



If you can supply service to that area, please
contact me off-list.



- Cliff








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RE: [WISPA] Looking for Service - Vider, TX

2006-06-14 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Title: Message








BTWThey have their own
tower.











From:
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking for
Service - Vider, TX







Vidor ? How large is this monthly
account ? If it's worthwhile - I have a tower in that area we could slap
service up on.





JohnnyO





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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Cliff Leboeuf
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Subject: [WISPA] Looking for
Service - Vider, TX

I have a customer looking for service in Vider, TX.



If you can supply service to that area, please
contact me off-list.



- Cliff








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RE: [WISPA] Looking for Service - Vider, TX

2006-06-14 Thread JohnnyO
Title: Message



Sorry 
man - my gardending chemicals are getting to me this morning :) Must be soaking 
through my skin and hitting whatever brain I have left ! DOH 
!

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Cliff LeboeufSent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:07 
  AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: RE: [WISPA] Looking for 
  Service - Vider, TX
  
  JohnnyO, 
  what part of off-list do you not understand 
  :)
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyOSent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:27 
  AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking for Service 
  - Vider, TX
  
  
  Vidor ? How 
  large is this monthly account ? If it's worthwhile - I have a tower in that 
  area we could slap service up on.
  
  JohnnyO
  
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cliff LeboeufSent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:56 
AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] Looking for Service - 
Vider, TX
I have a customer 
looking for service in Vider, TX.

If you can supply 
service to that area, please contact me 
off-list.

- 
Cliff
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Re: [WISPA] Neat Antenna Source - High Gain 5ghz Omnis

2006-06-14 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

They spammed me just hours ago.

JohnnyO wrote:

A BUNCH of us have been asking for higher gain omnis for the 5ghz 
range. Looks like our wishes have been answered.


_http://www.asiarf.com/Product/rfproduc/omniantenna.html_Not sure 
on pricing but may be worth looking into - they've got 15dBi Omnis in 
all of the 5ghz ranges ! YES !


Johnny0


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Re: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

2006-06-14 Thread Jason
This happens to me every so often; usually just 3 or 4 emails at a 
time.  This was just a bigger jolt of it.


Jason

David E. Smith wrote:

John Scrivner wrote:
  

It is not a clock issue. All the messages that were sent with old dates
were already delivered previously. These are duplicate messages.



Hm. Hmmm

(digs around through mail server logs)

Well, the old posts from three weeks ago and the new posts from today
have different Message-IDs, so at least it ain't my fault. :)

David Smith
Semi-Unofficial WISPA Web Tinker
MVN.net
  

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Re: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

2006-06-14 Thread Michael Watson

Lets do the Time Warp Again!

Its just a jump to the left

-Michael


Gino A. Villarini wrote:

I ogt them too...

Gino A. Villarini
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Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:21 PM
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Subject: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

My appologies to the list.

I'd added a couple cents to a thread that had ended weeks ago.  Wierd, but 
my email client just pulled about 30 emails today on these old threads as if


they were new.  I'm reading along ... and this thread looks familiar ... and

only after sending a reply to one of them did I notice Patrick had penned 
that mail back on May 26th.  Wierder yet is that I'd completely failed to 
notice that the 30 or so old emails were almost all old posts from Patrick 
that were several weeks old, with a couple from Brad that were about a week 
old.  Don't know if the server hosting my mailbox did a drive restore that 
ressurected old mail or whether anyone else got a copies of old mail too. 
Has this ever happened to anyone else?


With dozens of email arrivals on the thread 3650 equipment and This is 
HUGE! I thought that these topics had reborn again!  :-)  My mistake.


Rich

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RE: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

2006-06-14 Thread Dustin Jurman
Unfortunately I know that song.

Dustin 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Michael Watson
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:49 PM
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Lets do the Time Warp Again!

Its just a jump to the left

-Michael


Gino A. Villarini wrote:
 I ogt them too...

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Rich Comroe
 Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

 My appologies to the list.

 I'd added a couple cents to a thread that had ended weeks ago.  Wierd, but

 my email client just pulled about 30 emails today on these old threads as
if

 they were new.  I'm reading along ... and this thread looks familiar ...
and

 only after sending a reply to one of them did I notice Patrick had penned 
 that mail back on May 26th.  Wierder yet is that I'd completely failed to 
 notice that the 30 or so old emails were almost all old posts from Patrick

 that were several weeks old, with a couple from Brad that were about a
week 
 old.  Don't know if the server hosting my mailbox did a drive restore that

 ressurected old mail or whether anyone else got a copies of old mail too. 
 Has this ever happened to anyone else?

 With dozens of email arrivals on the thread 3650 equipment and This is 
 HUGE! I thought that these topics had reborn again!  :-)  My mistake.

 Rich

 - Original Message - 
 From: Rich Comroe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment


   

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RE: [WISPA] Neat Antenna Source - High Gain 5ghz Omnis

2006-06-14 Thread Rick Herrmann
Title: Neat Antenna Source - High Gain 5ghz Omnis








I like the mounting system  Hanged
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From:
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Subject: [WISPA] Neat Antenna
Source - High Gain 5ghz Omnis
Importance: High





A
BUNCH of us have been asking for higher gain omnis for the 5ghz range. Looks
like our wishes have been answered. 

http://www.asiarf.com/Product/rfproduc/omniantenna.html
Not sure on pricing but may be worth looking into - they've got 15dBi Omnis in
all of the 5ghz ranges ! YES ! 

JohnnyO







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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-14 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yes the answer is not. But the question is one of great interest to me, and 
I'm interested in learning from others experience on the topic.


ON our network our biggest focus right now is to improve the methods to 
shorten time and improve acracy of diagnosing performance issue on a 
network.  We have great tools that help us find problems that other ISPs 
often don;t even realize exist becauyse they have limited their abilty to 
test their network based on how they designed it.  But it takes us way to 
long to conclusivelly come up with a diagnosis because their are so many 
possible places where failures could occurs to contribute to degregation. 
I'm not talking about major failures. I'm talking about reported problems 
like... Intermittent disconnects. Intermittent VOIP quality performance. 
Etc. (I am NOT saying that we have an overly large amount of problems, I'm 
just saying a large numbner of people report problems because networking is 
complicated and end users are under trained.). 95% of the time we can clear 
our name and prove that causes were related to issues off of our network. 
But it can take a lot of tiem to prove it. And if you don;t prove it, how do 
you know your network really is operating correctly.  So how does this 
problem apply to this thread?... Well, if I simplify my network, there will 
be fewer things to look at in the diagnosis process.  What simplications can 
be made, without compromising performance or abilty to trouble shoot the 
network conclusively?  These questions need to be asked when considering 
routing versus bridged. Do you consider the needs of your prospective 
clients, or your needs to better offer your core services? All things to be 
considered.


Right now we are both 100% routed and 95% VLANed.  It gives us a lot of 
power and security features. But I tell you it is a super management 
headache. I'm looking for ways to simplify. Do I go more towards Layer2 or 
more towards Layer3? Thats a question I'm looking at hard right now.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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So that's a no then Tom ;)

Using various bandwidth test tools (such as the one builtin to Mikrotik)
from/to multiple source/destinations you can generate all sorts of traffic
profiles. You can decide on the size of the packets, layer 4, direction 
and

even bandwidth so I'd say it's very possible to set-up a test environment
that isn't too far of real world. Anyone else tested?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
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Anyone compared a routed solution with
a Mikrotik bridged solution for delay/jitter?


Good question.  But the problem there is creating a real world test
environment. Convergence, can be tested  somewhat accurately in low 
network

utilization situations. To adequately test Jitter/Delay you really need to
load the network, as that is when the jitter and sparatic latency happens.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message - 
From: Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] looking for a device



The delay in switching a packet at hardware is less than the delay in
routing a packet at software. This is 1 of the reasons that Cisco created
the GSR and why an MPLS switched network is fast than a plain routed
network.

I'm not too interested in convergence times as we only have very minimal
outages so RSTP should suffice. How fast a packet can traverse our 
network

on the other hand is important so that we can reliably run VoIP and other
delay/jitter sensitive applications. Anyone compared a routed solution
with
a Mikrotik bridged solution for delay/jitter?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: 13 June 2006 13:26
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

Paul Hendry wrote:


We too have been looking at moving from routed to a switched Mikrotik for
the core network but the unknown quantity seems to be if there are any
latency or speed issues related to the move. A true switched network is
faster than a routed network as the switching is done at a hardware level
but in Mikrotik I believe both switching and routed is done in software.
What have you seen?




Faster in what way? Certainly, a routed network is going to beat a
switched network in terms of covergence speed.

-Matt
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[WISPA] sorry, we had a funky server issue...

2006-06-14 Thread Patrick Leary
...that for some reason re-sent massive batches of messages already sent a
few weeks back. I apologize for all the confusion.

Patrick Leary
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-Original Message-
From: David E. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:13 PM
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Subject: Re: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

John Scrivner wrote:
 It is not a clock issue. All the messages that were sent with old dates
 were already delivered previously. These are duplicate messages.

Hm. Hmmm

(digs around through mail server logs)

Well, the old posts from three weeks ago and the new posts from today
have different Message-IDs, so at least it ain't my fault. :)

David Smith
Semi-Unofficial WISPA Web Tinker
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[WISPA] Cat 5 grounding

2006-06-14 Thread chris cooper








Hi-



Can anyone tell me the best way to ground shielded Cat 5
cable?



Thanks,

Chris






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