[WISPA] UHF tower co-location

2007-03-12 Thread J. Vogel
looking for someone that knows more about this than me (which may be most everybody) to give me a quick heads-up.. Up to this point, all of the access points I have deployed have been on water towers or buildings which did not have any other significant RF equipment on them. I may have an opportu

Re: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed

2007-03-12 Thread Tim Wolfe
I'm safe. If she wants me, she has already been to my house, so she knows where to find me (And before you even start, Ken was here with her). :-) JohnnyO wrote: LookOuT TIM ! Dawn is tracking you ! (hehehe) JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread Peter R.
Sam Tetherow wrote: Peter R. wrote: During the Brand-X Supreme Court case, the DEA, the FBI and the DOJ clearly spelled out that ISP and VoIP traffic would need to be CALEA compliant. It isn't the FCC, it is the DOJ. Your statements take us back to all the "lobbying efforts" that CLEC's an

Re: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms

2007-03-12 Thread Jack Unger
Rick, The signals levels sound like they may be WAY TOO HIGH for this short of a link. Receiver overload has the effect of making a receiver "deaf". Try a tiny antenna (maybe a rubber duck) on the CPE and re-do the ping test. jack Rick Smith wrote: yeah, 100' away from the pop. across t

RE: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms

2007-03-12 Thread paul hendry
What board are you running Mikrotik on and do you see any latency on the 5.8 side? -Original Message- From: Rick Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 March 2007 20:28 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms yep, no matter which channel. -Original Message

Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread Frank Muto
LAES stands for; lawfully authorized electronic surveillance. Frank Muto WBIA www.wbia.us P.S. Also a supporting WISPA vendor. - Original Message - From: "wispa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calea - wha

Re: [WISPA] CALEA & Mikrotik

2007-03-12 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Peter, Thank you for the link. I have not finished reading it yet but you are correct it has very interesting so far. I hope to see you in Orlando in May. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro Peter R. wrote: excellent thread: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=67031&sid=100a5b7521057953a31a8ecf

RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers...

2007-03-12 Thread Patrick Leary
A clone? God forbid. My wife would not tolerate it, much less anyone else. BTW, I did not post that to the Moto list though, out of competitive respect. It was just a really interesting and l o n g list and I thought it would be interesting, if only for me, to give a shot answering it from a VL p

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers...

2007-03-12 Thread George Rogato
I've seen you on the MOTO list in the past :) Your a real trooper. Wish there were some unemployed Patrick Leary clones around. WOW, could you imaging what a Patrick Leary clone could do for your business. Yikes, talk about agressive... Patrick Leary wrote: Correct. I did not post it to th

RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers...

2007-03-12 Thread Patrick Leary
Correct. I did not post it to the Moto list, though that is where the questions originated. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf O

RE: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread wispa
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:08:10 -0500, Jonathan Schmidt wrote The question is... if we're not providing VOIP service, doesn't this apply to the VOIP provider, and not me? > How does the introductory reference to cable operators seeming > immunity to this in this document square with these discus

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers...

2007-03-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
It was forwarded to the general wisp list. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireles

Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread wispa
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:55:18 -0500, Sam Tetherow wrote > Peter R. wrote: > > During the Brand-X Supreme Court case, the DEA, the FBI and the DOJ > > clearly spelled out that ISP and VoIP traffic would need to be CALEA > > compliant. It isn't the FCC, it is the DOJ. > > > > Your statements take us

RE: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
How does the introductory reference to cable operators seeming immunity to this in this document square with these discussions? http://www.scte.org/documents/standards/approved/ANSISCTE24132006.pdf . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] O

Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread Sam Tetherow
Peter R. wrote: During the Brand-X Supreme Court case, the DEA, the FBI and the DOJ clearly spelled out that ISP and VoIP traffic would need to be CALEA compliant. It isn't the FCC, it is the DOJ. Your statements take us back to all the "lobbying efforts" that CLEC's and ISP's have ever done:

RE: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread Rick Smith
u got it. Verizons of the world are out there saying $100k for a way to stop terrorism ? NO PROBLEM! "Those little guys must be sucked up and put out of business, so we can prevent another 9/11" argh what a crock of $**7! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTE

Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
I see little benefit to protesting the Calea/DOJ judgement, as compliance is a mute point, if it were easy and cost effective to comply. A preferred method to proceed is to lobby for what changes in standards they need to make to allow it to be easy to conform. DOJ doesn't concern itself with "HO

Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread George Rogato
As a matter of fact, to give Peter R. some pay back for helping us. Do you guys know that he is " the man" to get you great pricing on bandwidth, just about anyplace in the country. So there is a plug for Peter R. and his ability to help you buy better. George George Rogato wrote: Also what w

Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread George Rogato
Also what wispa really needs is some wisps that want to be active in wispa and set some programs up that would serve them and the industry. One such program that we tried to get going was a promotional committee that would promote wisps in their market place. Sounds good? Only two wisps bother

Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread George Rogato
Peter R. wrote: You guys do complain loudly but do very little action. It is left to the few to fight for the many. It's very lonely out here, wish more wisps would get past the 250.00 and join wispa so that we can make things happen. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread Peter R.
wispa wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:47:20 -0400, Peter R. wrote During the Brand-X Supreme Court case, the DEA, the FBI and the DOJ clearly spelled out that ISP and VoIP traffic would need to be CALEA compliant. It isn't the FCC, it is the DOJ. Oh, please. The DOJ doesn't write law.

RE: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms

2007-03-12 Thread Rick Smith
yep, no matter which channel. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms Have you looked at it with a spectrum analyzer? I see this type o

Re: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms

2007-03-12 Thread Sam Tetherow
Have you looked at it with a spectrum analyzer? I see this type of behavior in a high noise environment. Does it persist through all channels? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Rick Smith wrote: yeah, 100' away from the pop. across the street (dead side street, antenna way up above car level)

Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread wispa
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:47:20 -0400, Peter R. wrote > During the Brand-X Supreme Court case, the DEA, the FBI and the DOJ > clearly spelled out that ISP and VoIP traffic would need to be CALEA > compliant. It isn't the FCC, it is the DOJ. Oh, please. The DOJ doesn't write law. the DOJ wants EVE

[WISPA] CALEA & Mikrotik

2007-03-12 Thread Peter R.
excellent thread: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=67031&sid=100a5b7521057953a31a8ecf60bed196 -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Sub

Re: [WISPA] tower climbing

2007-03-12 Thread Travis Johnson
Ya... I already tried that... there are 4 cell carriers, another WISP and several paging companies on this tower (it's 180ft). Apparently nobody else has ever said anything about it... The big problem is there are no foot peg attachments on the tower leg itself, so there really isn't a way to

Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread Peter R.
During the Brand-X Supreme Court case, the DEA, the FBI and the DOJ clearly spelled out that ISP and VoIP traffic would need to be CALEA compliant. It isn't the FCC, it is the DOJ. Your statements take us back to all the "lobbying efforts" that CLEC's and ISP's have ever done: Don't regulate

Re: [WISPA] calea meeting with the fbi

2007-03-12 Thread Dylan Oliver
Hi Peter, I'd like to see the powerpoints! Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] 608-588-8010 PO Box 668 Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermai

Re: [WISPA] tower climbing

2007-03-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
How about bringing up the safety issue to the tower company, and asking them to install more foot pegs :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday,

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers...

2007-03-12 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
How did you get the thread then? Lonnie On 3/11/07, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I"m not on that list. sorry, marlon - Original Message - From: "Patrick Shoemaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA]

RE: [WISPA] Calea - how to reach Ken

2007-03-12 Thread Rick Harnish
Ken who? Kris Twomey? His email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone number can be found on his website. http://www.lokt.net/ Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[

RE: [WISPA] Calea - how to reach Ken

2007-03-12 Thread Forbes Mercy
Ken never called me back and here is one big deadline today, anyone know how to call him? Forbes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of wispa Sent: Mon 3/12/2007 10:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ? On Mon

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers...

2007-03-12 Thread chuck
Doug, I didn't notice anyone answering your question, though I might have missed it. Alvarion offers a version of the VL AU that is limited to 25 simultaneous associations. The Comnet price is under $2,000 iirc. It is license key upgradeable to the "unlimited" version if a particular sector g

RE: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms

2007-03-12 Thread Rick Smith
yeah, 100' away from the pop. across the street (dead side street, antenna way up above car level) This is the first week we had this customer connected - and they're the first on the repeater... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Ung

Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread wispa
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:07:33 -0400, Rick Smith wrote > Is there anywhere online that actually states WHAT we will need to > provide ? > > I.e. data format, etc. - It was my impression that this was still "under > discussion" at the FBI... There is a specific data format, called LAES, which is a

Re: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms

2007-03-12 Thread Jack Unger
History? Did it ever work? Distance? 100' from the POP? The signals are too "hot". jack Rick Smith wrote: I have a system - Mikrotik 5.8 in on SR5 / 2.4 out on SR2 with currently one customer on it. He's seeing occasional REALLY high latency through his device (High Gain Antennas 8186hp @

[WISPA] Strange Symptoms

2007-03-12 Thread Rick Smith
I have a system - Mikrotik 5.8 in on SR5 / 2.4 out on SR2 with currently one customer on it. He's seeing occasional REALLY high latency through his device (High Gain Antennas 8186hp @ 100' away from the POP) - like 900 - 5000 ms pings and some time-outs. I'm on what Mikrotik is telling me is a

[WISPA] CALEA

2007-03-12 Thread Peter R.
While doing some research this morning, I came across the name of the CALEA Consultant for the DOJ, FBI, and DEA. )I'm now trying to get a phone or email). Any way, CALEA was brought up in the Brand-X case. Here's the summary of the brief FYI: Law Enforcement advanced the theory that Interne

RE: [WISPA] re: tower climbing (Travis Johnson)

2007-03-12 Thread Mac Dearman
Travis, I know you don't own that tower, but I would haul up a piece of cable and attach to the two legs so my cable grab would be affective. I have really come to appreciate the safety-climbs in my old age :-) I think everyone has named the problem correctly - - the tower supervisor was taking

Re: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed

2007-03-12 Thread Dawn DiPietro
I have to admit not as often as I should. :-) JohnnyO wrote: LookOuT TIM ! Dawn is tracking you ! (hehehe) JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [

RE: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed

2007-03-12 Thread JohnnyO
LookOuT TIM ! Dawn is tracking you ! (hehehe) JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed Driving woul

Re: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed

2007-03-12 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Driving would be 4hrs 45 min and 249 miles according to google. ;-) Tim Wolfe wrote: I am not sure mileage wise, but it is at LEAST a 3.5hr drive for me. JohnnyO wrote: How far away are you from that location ? JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTE

[WISPA] re: tower climbing (Travis Johnson)

2007-03-12 Thread Justin Wilson
Looks like the construction crew had a Homer moment. About the only thing I would suggest is showing the tower owner this photo and seeing if they can do anything. I would get you some re-bar hooks to help you slide across the beams. Justin -- "Life is unfair, but root password Helps" --- Ju

[WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread Rick Smith
Is there anywhere online that actually states WHAT we will need to provide ? I.e. data format, etc. - It was my impression that this was still "under discussion" at the FBI... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Ar